Kai done as a 'Brotherhood' series? Yea or Ney?

[some_weirdGuy]

As in Fullmetal Alchemist: Brotherhood.

The original anime for it diverged from the manga when they ran out of completed volumes(since it was still ongoing at the time), and went in quite a different direction. Later, when the manga was finished, they made another anime, this one following the manga. Meaning there were two different versions of the anime.

I think it's safe to safe everyone would have preferred kai being properly re-animated, not just neatening the old footage but acctually made again so the whole thing looked as good as the new opening (though ofcourse, if you disagree by all means you can discuss), but what about the story itself?

Do you think it would have been better had they did something similar to FMA/brotherhood in concept for DBZ/Kai. Follow dbz's story up to a point but then diverge into a whole new story/direction/tangent from there? Resulting in new characters, different arcs or interpretations for some existing characters, and even changes to the fundamental canon of elements/systems in the story universe?

Spoiler:

For example, imagine trunsk shows up but he's not a saiyan or from the future, or even bulmas son, and there are no androids or heart viruses. Goku teleports in and beats frieza, after which trunks reveals he's just a human, and His father is a sword master, 'Master Gero', the pure hearted and selfless Lizard Hermit, who roshi recognises as a school rivaling the crane and turtle schools back in the day, charged with the sacred duty of guarding an entrance to otherworld or something, and Trunks has sought goku and co. out cause he needs their help. New arc then becomes about them heading to other world and fighting evil demons guys, and then shock reveal when king kai ends up actually being a notorious villain called the buttsnatcher who snatches all of their butts. ((leading on to the butts saga)).

Seriously though, if it came down to a choice between kai having a new story(just as good as the original, just different) that it diverges to, or getting a proper re-animation of the original story with no change in plot(just brand spanking new animation work), which would you want more?

For myself It's kinda a tricky question to pick a side on, but i guess since i already own a Z box set and haven't been looking to pick up a kai one, I'd say kai doing a brotherhood would be the most likely option to get me to buy it, since it would be both awesome new visuals and an new storyline for me. I mean, it would be pretty cool to get a new dragonball story, even if i know I'd probably be sitting there going 'wow, the new animation is beautiful, wish i could see original Z re-animated to this modern quality' XD. What about you guys(and girls)?

[Ajay]

As much as Ultimate Tenkaichi sucked, I have a strong love for the re-animated cutscenes and dramatic tone that was present in the game. It certainly portrayed the show's key moments in a much more dramatic light that's more in-line with the general tone we see in the more recent digital animations for the show. Whilst I do love the original show, I do sometimes feel that there are are moments where I know I'm meant to feel a strong emotion and unfortunately, the original direction doesn't quite hit me as hard as it should. This was rectified in those Tenkaichi moments, at least for me.

Perhaps it was just the soundtrack change but I just felt like the overall direction was much more powerful that anything we'd seen before. With the exception of Gohan's SSJ2 transformation where they left out the tears in his eyes, everything seemed to be on a much grander scale.

So yes, I would love a reanimated show in that style. It would have to be different, perhaps not in the same way I mentioned, but it certainly needs a change in the direction to make sure it isn't redundant.

[DBZGTKOSDH]

I've gotten tired of the various version of DBZ. We have the manga, 2 anime series, and dozens of video games, all telling the same fucking story. If they want to make a series with new animation, make a new series.

[B]

I think the anime having radical changes like the first FMA series would introduce a whole different beast to this fandom. As much as we argue about power levels and dubs and subs, we can at least all agree what the story is. Just another thing to split us up, it seems to me.

EDIT: But yeah, obviously I would have preferred Kai to be done in the same spirit as Brotherhood. Maybe Shueisha will fund it for the 50th Jump Anniversary.

[TheGmGoken]

Don't we have DBGT for this ?

Serious: I would NOT like it as an anime series but as a Video Game maybe. We've seen wha Toei has done when they don't follow the manga and with some of the movies. Don't think I would want that into an series.

[some_weirdGuy]

Don't we have DBGT for this ?

Serious: I would NOT like it as an anime series but as a Video Game maybe. We've seen wha Toei has done when they don't follow the manga and with some of the movies. Don't think I would want that into an series.

GT is a sequel set after Z, and as we know has many flaws.

The concept here is an 'alternate DBZ', and for the sake of the argument we are assuming it wouldn't suck, instead (as i mention above)being just as good as the original, just different.

I mean, in a way the movies are a bit of a taste of this, since many of them seem to be set in 'alternate' timelines(due to plot holes). But this would be a full series, presumably without rehashing the existing series' elements as such as the movies do, and potentially with dramatic changes to how things play out/how the universe works.

To use some random examples: maybe vegeta and nappa don't exist. There is no 'super saiyan' transformation. Piccolo stays a bad guy, and namekians are actual demons not aliens. Raditz becomes a good guy. They never go into space. I mean you get the idea(hopefully)

[penguintruth]

Toei would never spend as much money as Bones does on any single production.

Of course, they have the money, mind you. They have it in spades. But they're misers.

[TheGmGoken]

Since Raditz is alive would't that mean they WOULD go to space . He did arrive in a space pod. Not everyone is just going to forget that. Just like comparing FMA to FMAB you can't say one is just as good as the other. That's is almost impossible not to degrade your topic. For example FMAB > FMA. DbZKB < DBZK. You just can't say one is good as the other like it's fact. Even hypothetically. There is always going to be something from both that should't have happen. I understand what you mean. But either way people aren't going to say one is the same.

[some_weirdGuy]

lol, ok, now you have me quite confused...

To try an answer:

Since Raditz is alive would't that mean they WOULD go to space . He did arrive in a space pod. Not everyone is just going to forget that.

hmm, well they went to namek in the main series because piccolo died against nappa, and they needed nameks dragonballs to wish their friends back. In my random example i said nappa doesn't exist, meaning he can't have killed piccolo, meaning goku and co would potentially have no reason to leave earth.

Either way no need to take that stuff so literally , that was just an example of the extent possible changes could reach(as a reference, for those unfamiliar with the different between FMA and FMA:B, like you appeared to be based on your GT comment), not an example of what this hypothetical new series would actually be.

Just like comparing FMA to FMAB you can't say one is just as good as the other. That's is almost impossible not to degrade your topic. For example FMAB > FMA. DbZKB < DBZK. You just can't say one is good as the other like it's fact. Even hypothetically. There is always going to be something from both that should't have happen. I understand what you mean. But either way people aren't going to say one is the same.

I don't understand what you mean with this, and suspect there's been a misunderstanding, however to hopefully clarify:

Your answer before was basically 'nah, cause toei would balls it up' (which was unintentionally straw-manning the scenario given), my counter was 'lets pretend that they won't balls it up - is your opinion still the same?'

At it's heart this is a question of:
>Refresh and progressive
or
>Nostalgic and puristic

Which appeals more to you if you assume all other factors are perfectly equal.

[TheGmGoken]

piccolo, meaning goku and co would potentially have no reason to leave earth.

Except you know...being stronger than everyone on Earth so he can look for new challenges. Plus here is a space pod there. They won't just forget it and not use it.

I don't understand what you mean with this, and suspect there's been a misunderstanding, however to hopefully clarify:

Your answer before was basically 'nah, cause toei would balls it up' (which was unintentionally straw-manning the scenario given), my counter was 'lets pretend that they won't balls it up - is your opinion still the same?'

At it's heart this is a question of:
>Refresh and progressive
or
>Nostalgic and puristic

Which appeals more to you if you assume all other factors are perfectly equal.

My last comment said I understand what you said and had NOTHING to do with Toei unlike mt first comment. I said they won't be equal because everyone likes different things an people will complain that this and that should or should not happen. Also you should have not used Brotherhood as an example. FMA only went of course because it got caught up to manga and had to go on it's own direction. So you got to do the same here. Let's say Android Arc since the anime was ahead of the manga for a moment(16 being born). There is where you start your differences. Not anything before since you're using the Brotherhood thing. You're talking more of the lines of alternate re-telling something that is NOT brotherhood.

[some_weirdGuy]

Except you know...being stronger than everyone on Earth so he can look for new challenges. Plus here is a space pod there. They won't just forget it and not use it.

My last comment said I understand what you said and had NOTHING to do with Toei unlike mt first comment. I said they won't be equal because everyone likes different things an people will complain that this and that should or should not happen. Also you should have not used Brotherhood as an example. FMA only went of course because it got caught up to manga and had to go on it's own direction. So you got to do the same here. Let's say Android Arc since the anime was ahead of the manga for a moment(16 being born). There is where you start your differences. Not anything before since you're using the Brotherhood thing. You're talking more of the lines of alternate re-telling something that is NOT brotherhood.

Thank you for clarifying, yours statements are making a lot more sense now, i see that we've changed discussions to something slightly different now, which is why it wasn't making sense to me - i was still speaking/thinking of the original topic. (and yeah I saw that you said you understood, but then your reply started not making sense. So I decided to take a step back and see if that helped). It also seems you are a very literal person, who naturally fixates on certain details.

The hypothetical series does not exist, so there is no possible way for you to judge whether you like it better or not. I agree that people like different things, but there's no discussion value in 'well, some people will like it and some people won't'. Therefore, I have dictated that it will be equal in terms of how much you like it, all your likes/dislikes for certain changes will balance out, so that that element won't get in the way of peoples decision. We can instead move past that and get to the question, which as i said is at it's core:

>Refresh and progressive
or
>Nostalgic and puristic

As for your final point, I used Brotherhood cause it's the only series I know which has done something like that. I guess maybe Dragonball: Path to Power is kinda similar? ((although it's more a minutely altered retelling, since it still follows the same general plot and universe dynamics)). Either way, branching story or complete alternate - Ultimately, it's not really important for the question.

I mean, i guess if people want we can discuss where they'd want to see the story divert, I have no qualms with changing the subject slightly if that's a point of interest that develops from this topic, but I was just mentioning that it wasn't the question being brought up in the OP.

[TheGmGoken]

I used brotherhood cause it's the only series I know which has done something like that.

Rosario Vampire Anime is NOTHING like the manga. Which is a better example. It was the same for a few chatper then at one point the anime took a turn that changed a lot. Also the anime came out after season 1 of the manga was done so it doesn't have an excuse lol.

I mean, i guess if people want we can discuss where they'd want to see the story divert, I have no qualms with changing the subject slightly if that's a point of interest that develops from this topic, but I was just mentioning that it wasn't the question being brought up in the OP.

That would be a much better topic to be honest.

The hypothetical series does not exist, there is no possible way for you to judge whether you like it better or not.

I said hypothetically you can't say it's even because people will still compare and same they're not even. Compare Path the power to the first Dragonball movie.

fixates

Not going to lie. Never heard of the word and a quick google search did not help. What the word means?

[SaiyamanMS]

I'm not overly familiar with the animated version of Dr. Slump, but I'm guessing that it would be a better example than Fullmetal Alchemist. To my understanding, the 90s version of the show was a much looser adaptation of the comic, to the point where most of the characters even had their designs somewhat revised.

Honestly, I feel that a complete reimagination of the Dragon Ball universe and it's story progression would be interesting, provided it's handled well. The closest we have to this are the Dragon Ball (non Z) movies, which I generally found to be interesting alternate takes on existing events.

[TheMightyOzaru]

I would like them to do that, it just isn't happening. "Brotherhood" is what Kai should have been.

[Kamiccolo9]

If you are saying what I think you're saying, then no. Rurouni Kenshin did something like this for the New Kyoto Arc, and it was an abomination, a shallow copy of the greatest anime experience of my life. I'm not saying that Kai couldn't have made something like this work, but it would have to be done right, and I'm not sure that they could, or would, pull it off.

[Mewzard]

If you are saying what I think you're saying, then no. Rurouni Kenshin did something like this for the New Kyoto Arc, and it was an abomination, a shallow copy of the greatest anime experience of my life. I'm not saying that Kai couldn't have made something like this work, but it would have to be done right, and I'm not sure that they could, or would, pull it off.

FMA: Brotherhood was a more accurate anime to manga than the original, which deviated from the plot quite heavily. While DB didn't do that too bad, the idea of a less fillery, re-animated from scratch anime is what most of us wanted from Kai.

[Ringworm128]

TBH despite looking all new and shiny a lot of the new animation doesn't look all that great, especially the Kai openings.

[JulieYBM]

TBH despite looking all new and shiny a lot of the new animation doesn't look all that great, especially the Kai openings.

The Kai Openings had three or four key animators working on them with only one of them being particularly talented, Shida Naotoshi (I believe he did the cuts of Gokuu and Vegeta fighting in the first animation). Assuming Toei assigned talented animators and directors with connections to a new Dragon Ball series the fight scenes would be incredible, especially if what little of Shida Naotoshi's cuts from Battle of Gods have been shown in the trailers is any indication.

[Dr. Machismo]

Terrible wording in this thread, IMO. So you're asking if we want a complete Dragonball Z remake/reboot?

[dbzfan7]

Toei would never spend as much money as Bones does on any single production.

Of course, they have the money, mind you. They have it in spades. But they're misers.

This. I would love to see Kai get better animation as it currently just decent (excluding the MS paint sections). But it's never going to happen/