Quick volume 25 manga-related request

[Dayspring]

Would someone who has volume 25 of the manga (not French) please check something for me? When Freeza first transforms, he says his power level is "at least 100.000" in the French version. I've always assumed this to be a typo, given he earlier said that his PL is 530,000, the fact that Ginyu's is 120,000 but less than Freeza, and the fact that second form Freeza is equal to Piccolo whose PL was 1 million. Could someone please verify if this is indeed a typo? If not, then I find it interesting, if you ignore the daizenshuu's PLs, that Freeza's fourth form maximum strength is only 530,000.

[Folken-sama]

Even in the anime (japanese dub, of course) Freeza says he is at one million ( see here http://www.xmission.com/~daimao/epindex2.htm episode 78 ).

And even if you don't have material proof with other editions that it is a typo, you can easily figure it by yourself, because if Freeza's final form was really 530.000, then Gokû would have killed him with the "6 times Kaiôken" only...

[Domon]

Viz version: "If any instrument could read my strength... it would surpass a million..." (empasis is their)

[Dayspring]

Even in the anime (japanese dub, of course) Freeza says he is at one million ( see here http://www.xmission.com/~daimao/epindex2.htm episode 78 ).

And even if you don't have material proof with other editions that it is a typo, you can easily figure it by yourself, because if Freeza's final form was really 530.000, then Gokû would have killed him with the "6 times Kaiôken" only...

We were ignoring the daizenshuu, though, so really kaioken can mean anything.

[Folken-sama]

Even in the anime (japanese dub, of course) Freeza says he is at one million ( see here http://www.xmission.com/~daimao/epindex2.htm episode 78 ).

And even if you don't have material proof with other editions that it is a typo, you can easily figure it by yourself, because if Freeza's final form was really 530.000, then Gokû would have killed him with the "6 times Kaiôken" only...

We were ignoring the daizenshuu, though, so really kaioken can mean anything.

But I though the Kaiôken and it's way of working was explained in the manga itself...I though it was clearly stated that it doubles each time the power...(I checked in my french manga and that's what was said).

[Dayspring]

Even in the anime (japanese dub, of course) Freeza says he is at one million ( see here http://www.xmission.com/~daimao/epindex2.htm episode 78 ).

And even if you don't have material proof with other editions that it is a typo, you can easily figure it by yourself, because if Freeza's final form was really 530.000, then Gokû would have killed him with the "6 times Kaiôken" only...

We were ignoring the daizenshuu, though, so really kaioken can mean anything.

But I though the Kaiôken and it's way of working was explained in the manga itself...I though it was clearly stated that it doubles each time the power...(I checked in my french manga and that's what was said).

I don't remember it like that... but I could be wrong so I'll check later. I think it was just "increases" your power, which was then explained better in daizenshuu 7 (though failing to explain how X1 worked in the process).

[Folken-sama]

We were ignoring the daizenshuu, though, so really kaioken can mean anything.

But I though the Kaiôken and it's way of working was explained in the manga itself...I though it was clearly stated that it doubles each time the power...(I checked in my french manga and that's what was said).

I don't remember it like that... but I could be wrong so I'll check later. I think it was just "increases" your power, which was then explained better in daizenshuu 7 (though failing to explain how X1 worked in the process).

In the manga, when Gokû powers up to "3 times Kaiôken" against Vegeta, Bulma looks on her Scouter and begin to measure with the number 17.000 (this shows Gokû's PL when he used the "2 times Kaiôken", logically), and it's more or less two times Gokû's base PL (8.000)...

And when Gokû used the Kaiôken against Giniyû, he went from about 60.000 to 180.000, which is..."quite" ( ) two times his base power (and I assume he wouldn't have wasted his health with a 3 or 5 times against Giniyû...It mut have been the first level of the kaiôken)...So I think we can assume without being seriously mistaken, that the Kaiôken doubles (more or less) the strength each time.

But anyway, I think you had your confirmation that this "100.000" was only a typo (can someone who has the japanese manga confirm also ?).

[Duo]

The Viz Translation has it right, it was Over a Million. His first form, at it's highest level, could reach 530,000.

Also, Goku's base against Ginyu was 90,000. Ginyu even stated, right before Goku showed off the Kaio-ken, that "I don't need any stinking scouter. I already figured you for about 85,000."

And since Kaio-ken doubles the users power, stated in Volume 4, Goku's base level was indeed 90,000.

Now then, regarding the KKx3...the way the scouter reading lines up is that second or two after he begins powering up, he is read at 17,000, indicating he was slightly below that when using normal Kaio-ken. The scouter bursts when he hits 23,000, and is shown being pretty much done after that, which means his PL was roughly 24,000.

Which means that each Kaio-ken after normal Kaio-ken multiplies the users power by the corrosponding number.

(This also means, since his Base level was able to match Form 4 Freeza, that Kaio-ken times 10 Goku is 30,000,000 or higher, w00t to the Daizenshuu on that one.)

[Rocketman]

Kaioken and Kaioken x2 are probably the same thing.

[Duo]

Kaioken and Kaioken x2 are probably the same thing.

Yeah, that's pretty much the only possibility, or it's a great big plothole.

I actually just came up with the idea that "Kaio-ken" is the term to represent any level of it, it's the general technique name, whereas the formal name for a basic Kaio-ken is "Kaio-ken x2".

That option makes the most sense out of any, imo...

[DBW]

When Freeza first transforms, he says his power level is "at least 100.000" in the French version. I've always assumed this to be a typo

Yeah, just a typo. It looks like they read "sen" (thousand) instead of "man" (ten thousand). In the manga he says "hyaku-man" 「１００万」, which is 100x10,000 in other words a million.

[Dayspring]

When Freeza first transforms, he says his power level is "at least 100.000" in the French version. I've always assumed this to be a typo

Yeah, just a typo. It looks like they read "sen" (thousand) instead of "man" (ten thousand). In the manga he says "hyaku-man" 「１００万」, which is 100x10,000 in other words a million.

Thanks. That's exactly what I was looking for.

As for Kaioken, I'm not going to argue (since I agree with you guys anyway). I was just mentioning possibilities had Freeza actually been at 100,000. As for kaioken x1, I think it just doesn't follow the normal rule, going probably at 1.5, which would explain why Kaio didn't want Goku to use past x2 since the increments got so big in comparison. Another possibility was that it just repleneshed the user's strength to full after they've fought for a bit.