Was the Cell saga the worst saga in your eyes?

[thatdbzguy]

I've seen quite a few DBZ fans list the Cell saga as their least favorite canon saga, and it interested me in getting to know more people's thoughts on the Cell saga.

What's your opinion on the Cell saga? Is it your favorite? Least favorite? Somewhere in between? If it's either your favorite or least favorite, what are your reasons?

Also, was Gohan's speech to Cell about his dislike for fighting out of character to you? Do you think Gohan would've made a good main hero after the Cell saga?

[penguintruth]

How is it not everybody's favorite? Alternate timeline-type time travel, undetectable killers with infinite energy, a dude who sucks people up turning them all wrinkly and dissolving them to make them part of his power, a room where you can spend a year in a day of normal time, the absurdity of Mr. Satan, Gohan finally coming into his own, Goku's acknowledgement that maybe he's a trouble magnet, evil dwarfs getting kicked into dust, and in the anime, Norio Wakamoto!

Oh, and Piccolo becomes relevant again, albeit temporarily.

F***ing awesome.

[TheGmGoken]

Used to be in the middle but now that I re read it and re watched it I don't like it. Most of my love came from SSj2 Gohan. Everything else I didn't care for. I already listed some things I don't like.

1. Mecha Freeza and King Cold
2. Cyborg power being convenient stronger than SSJ and 20(And 19) energy eater not being useful
3.All but 2 fights were 1 sided
4. Gohan randomly becoming a pacifist despite 1 arc before he was willing to fight

Seriously Gohan randomly becoming a pacifist felt so random. Yes we know he's not the biggest fan of fighting but he was willing to do so in the Namek arc even after finding out about Freeza. The Cyborgs were randomly strong despite the fact of Gero only collecting data of everything pre Namek and after Red Ribbon. At most with technology they should be 530,000 Freeza's first form. Seeing as Vegeta was at 180,000. Okay I like 16 speech and it was a great one. But we all know that Gohan went SSJ2 because of 16 dying not the speech. So Piccolo could have easily did that. He charges in despite Goku's word and dies. He can give the same speech but add a little Piccolo flavor to it. Have both Piccolo and Goku dead would have Gohan over come sad-ness in the Boo Arc.

The energy eater should have played a MUCH bigger role. 1 episode it's a huge deal then the next.....it's useless. Hell it could have be written out as thee Cyborg were weak but took energy to get stronger. Cell at first was great but as soon as he became perfect he pretty much became an idiot. He made the SAME mistakes as Vegeta and Trunks. I honestly think Birsu persona could have been used for Cell minus the whole pudding incident and Cell being more evil.

[DonZ]

Somewhere in between?

This. Freeza arc, Saiyajin arc, 23nd Tenkaichi Budokai arc, Piccolo Daimao arc and Androids arc are better imo. and by androids arc i mean before Cell held his "Tournament"

But Cell arc is one of the most popular arcs in DBZ. a lot of people rank it in higher tire. as for my least favorite arcs, it gotta be the RRA followed by Majin Buu arc.

[RandomGuy96]

Yes, it's by FAR the worst saga. I've already gone over my reasons a lot so I don't want to barrage this thread with another wall of text, but it seemed painfully apparent to me that Toriyama was writing by the seat of his pants and just not thinking things through in general.

And, just on a general note, I don't find anything actually enjoyable about watching/reading this. If I'm not yelling at the characters for being idiots or mentally complaining about how sloppy a scene was done, I'm mostly being bored by the humorless atmosphere ('cept for Cell breaking into the TV station), lame-ass villains ('cept Imperfect Cell), and one-sided fights (there are exactly three that aren't).

[penguintruth]

Artificial Humans and Cell are the same arc, IMO. They're all part of the same one plot about Dr. Gero's revenge that climaxes with the Cell Games.

The worst arc is clearly the Buu arc or the original Search for the Dragon Balls, which only had quirky charm.

[TheGmGoken]

there are exactly three that aren't

Two. I don' count 18 vs Vegeta as even. Unless you're talking about something different O_o.

[DonZ]

Artificial Humans and Cell are the same arc, IMO. They're all part of the same one plot about Dr. Gero's revenge that climaxes with the Cell Games.

I know, but for me there's a difference. once the Cell games started, the arc got obviously less interesting for me. that's why i separate them as two arcs.

[RandomGuy96]

there are exactly three that aren't

Two. I don' count 18 vs Vegeta as even. Unless you're talking about something different O_o.

Imperfect Cell vs Android 16

Piccolo vs Android 17

Perfect Cell vs Goku

[TheGmGoken]

there are exactly three that aren't

Two. I don' count 18 vs Vegeta as even. Unless you're talking about something different O_o.

Imperfect Cell vs Android 16

Piccolo vs Android 17

Perfect Cell vs Goku

Cell vs 16 was even? I thought 16 was clearing kick ass. Welp. Oh well. Guess I've forgotten some things.

[Dr. Machismo]

Not at all. In fact, Akira Toriyama was probably trying his best with that saga. The story had far more depth and was edgier than ever before. The amount of effort he was putting into the Android saga would explain how the Majin one seemed lazier and as if he was just wanted to get the series over with.

[Gaffer Tape]

the original Search for the Dragon Balls, which only had quirky charm.

Whaaaa? How is quirky charm, interesting characters, and tons of well-made adventure set pieces not enough?

[DonZ]

The worst arc is clearly the Buu arc or the original Search for the Dragon Balls, which only had quirky charm.

By the "original search for the Dragon Balls" you suppose to mean the first arc in the series ? FUCK NO!
the comedy itself was enough to make the arc enjoyable, not to mention the amazing atmosphere, and beside it was the beginning of everything.. how Goku met Bulma, Oolong, Yamucha and Puaar. whenever i feel bored and feel like to watch some DB, i watch one of the episodes of the first arc, so enjoyable!

Now the RRA arc is the most boring one, until Tao Pai Pai appears, it get more interesting.

[RandomGuy96]

Cell vs 16 was even? I thought 16 was clearing kick ass. Welp. Oh well. Guess I've forgotten some things.

Reviewed it and yeah it was pretty even, if quite short.

[TheMightyOzaru]

Who the crap thinks the Cell arc is the worst arc? The Buu arc is easily the worst.

[RandomGuy96]

Who the crap thinks the Cell arc is the worst arc?

Yo. I also think that the Buu Saga was the best.

[TheMightyOzaru]

And...? The story is a complete mess IMO.

[RandomGuy96]

And...?

You asked who thought that the Cell Arc was the worst one.

What story? A completely mess? Did you mean "a complete mess"? Or "completely a mess"?

[TheGmGoken]

Who the crap thinks the Cell arc is the worst arc? The Buu arc is easily the worst.

I do. I think Freeza was the best, Then Saiyan Arc, then Boo, Then Cyborg/Cell. For the Z portion that is. For the entire story(NO DBGT) I go by

1. King Piccolo Arc
2. 22nd Budokai Arc(Only because it led to King Piccolo and the best fights int he Budokai)
3. Red Ribbon Arc(UNDERRATED)- Baba mini Arc
4. Freeza Arc
5. 21st Budokai
6. Boo Arc = 23rd Budokai
7. Saiyan Arc
8. Goku Arc/Pilfar Arc
9. The little filler mini Arc after 23rd Budokai with Chi Chi and Goku
10. Cell Arc - Cyborg
11. Garlic Jr

I counted filler in that list.

a completely mess

The story was a complete mess

[mAcChaos]

Cell and Buu are my favorite.

The villains are great, and I don't mind 1-sided fights. For the Cell Saga, a lot of it involved strategy, which I liked. Seeing the characters desperately struggle to concoct a plan to beat Cell was great. I also liked how Cell changed over the arc, as he grew more perfect. From sneaky and creepy, to brash and aggressive, to subtle and arrogant. Now that I write it, it feels like there was a real influence from 17 and 18.