Frieza's true form

[Saitou Hajime]

Frieza said that the power of his true form was beyond his control, and so he developed the lesser forms to suppress and control his power. But what if he trained in his true form to better control the negative effects of its power, ala the Saiyans with FPSSJ? Could he have held his own with the SSJs in the following arcs?

[Marco Polo]

Freeza training is incredibly out of character.

[FoolsGil]

Freeza training is incredibly out of character.

Why do people say that? Is it because he was the second strongest being behind his father? Or does it say in manga or interviews he doesn't train?

[Kaboom]

But what if he trained in his true form to better control the negative effects of its power, ala the Saiyans with FPSSJ?

Then he'd more or less be Coola.

[rereboy]

Freeza training is incredibly out of character.

Why do people say that? Is it because he was the second strongest being behind his father? Or does it say in manga or interviews he doesn't train?

Because its implied that his power is entirely natural, not achieved by training. And Freeza calls himself the strongest in the universe in front of his father, so he is stronger than Cold, even if its not by much.

Coola is a filler character, but he's basically what Freeza would be if he tried to control his power and trained a little.

[DBZGTKOSDH]

Because its implied that his power is entirely natural, not achieved by training.

How is that implied? Because it is also implied that he trained with his father.

[Super Saiyan Turlast x4]

Because unlike others, Freeza needed transformations to restrain his incredible amount of power in order to control himself. To me, that sounds like an issue Freeza had ever since he realized he was that powerful. I don't think he trained to acquire that power, then realized he needed to create transformations to suppress his power.

Are you referring to what he said to Goku?

[mAcChaos]

What I don't get is why people think Freeza is a good fighter. He never trained, so how could he be a good fighter. He just relies on the overwhelming difference in power between him and his opponents to effortlessly crush them. That doesn't make him a skilled martial artist or anything.

[RandomGuy96]

What I don't get is why people think Freeza is a good fighter. He never trained, so how could he be a good fighter. He just relies on the overwhelming difference in power between him and his opponents to effortlessly crush them. That doesn't make him a skilled martial artist or anything.

He was implied to train with his father and, for someone who is supposedley so lazy, he has one of the deadliest range of ki techniques in the series. He even copied and improved Krillin's kienzan after seeing it used a few times. He can also do things most of his henchmen can't, like amplify his attacks and control his battle power, and even seems to have some sort of precog or sixth sense to predict movements despite not being able to sense ki. I think it may have something to do with his psychic powers.

[Pantalones]

The thing that makes Freeza seem like such a skilled fighter is the fact that he's so good at manipulating ki and being able to use it in different ways, even though he's almost definitely never had "real" ki training (as shown by the fact that he can't actually sense ki), and probably hasn't had very extensive training of any kind (I can imagine his dad/parents teaching him basic hand-to-hand combat skills to an extent and him honing those skills on his own over time, but nothing anywhere near as extreme as the training that everyone else who reaches or surpasses Freeza's level has to go through.) Compare that to everyone else in his army--none of them can sense ki either, and with the exceptions of the Ginyu Force (who are considered the absolute best of the army aside from Freeza himself), Vegeta, and Nappa, none of them seem to have any specialized ki techniques at all.

Freeza's like the fighting-skill equivalent of the lazy kid in school who doesn't give a crap about his classes and barely puts forth any effort at all, but ends up passing them anyway because he's just naturally good at it.

(On a semi-related note, this also shows how the Saiyans are better fighters on average compared to the other random aliens in Freeza's army. Vegeta and Nappa both had some of their own specialized techniques, and pretty impressive ones at that... while meanwhile, other Freeza minions in the 4000 to 18,000 PL range had nothing but flight and basic ki blasts. Heck, even Zarbon and Dodoria didn't have anything more than that, and they were ranked right below Freeza himself...)

[Jackal puFF]

You can't be anything without training. I don't see why Frieza would be able to talk and walk without training..

[mAcChaos]

That was the whole point. He was just some freakishly powerful godlike being.

[DBZGTKOSDH]

To me, it sounds like Freeza was born with unnaturally high battle power, then he did training with Cold and on his own, and he grew even stronger (to the point that he surpassed his father), learned all there deadly techniques we saw, and even learned how to increase his muscle mass. He learned how to suppress his power to a certain level, but then decided to use transformations to suppress it even more. After that, he stopped training.

[mAcChaos]

Look at it this way. Freeza has always shown himself to be lazy, and only willing to put the minimum amount of effort in. He has his minions do the work when he can. So why would someone who is already born with a battle power high enough to obliterate anything with a wave of his finger go train? He wouldn't.

[DBZGTKOSDH]

I just don't believe that Freeza was born with a battle power of 120 millions, with huge muscles, and with all the abilities he has shown.

[mAcChaos]

He can breathe in space and is extremely durable. I think ge's just a genetic freak, someone extremely gifted and that explains his whole attitide. He never had to try for anything. It fits perfectly. Besides why would he need to train when he could do anything he needed with just his first form.

[DBZGTKOSDH]

It is also implied that he was weaker than Cold at some point, since Freeza said that his father once hurt him in his final form. Plus, he has to train to obtain the techniques and abilities he has shown.

[Marco Polo]

Kid Buu and other characters have been shown to learn techniques after seeing them only once. I don't see what makes you think Freeza has to train.

[hleV]

While I don't see Freeza as "train-to-get-stronger" type as I believe his strength is mostly natural to him, I think he still had some fighting practice with Cold, not to mention developing ki techniques.

[DBZGTKOSDH]

Kid Buu and other characters have been shown to learn techniques after seeing them only once. I don't see what makes you think Freeza has to train.

Boo, Tenshinhan, etc are known for having the ability of mimicry because they have displayed it in battle. Freeza never displayed such an ability.