The whole "Mystic" stuff somehow makes no sense to me?

[Kishido]

Well Elder Kai said it is unlocking all of the power deep inside Gohan... Does that mean he never has to train further to get stronger cuz everything is unlocked?

Gohan is said to have the biggest potential from time to time, so what if the stuff would have happen to Vegeta and Goku, who train all the time... Would they still be weaker cuz even while training they never can reach Mystic Gohan who has the biggest potential?

I dunno, the whole ordeal is somehow strange.

And after Battle of Gods even more where Gohan even enters SSJ somehow... This would make him overkill together with Mystic power up... And the question seems to be... Why Elder Kai in his free time hasn't used it on the other Saiyans as well?

[hleV]

The way I see it, Rou Kaioshin released Gohan's dormant potential, which seems to be a synonim to dormant power. Basically he released all the power that was within Gohan, just inaccessible. And pushed it far beyond that, of course. Just like Super Saiyan 3 draws a Saiyan's hidden power to its limit, and that hidden power happens to be 400 times higher than max power in base form.
A potential, however, to me is the maximum ever a person could have. It's not something that one may already have, just inaccessible (unlike hidden/dormant power), it's the very limit that's possible to achieve (through training or other means). That's not what Rou Kaioshin released, because you don't simply release a power which is not there. He only released what Gohan had in reserve and added some more through magic/ritual.
What I'm saying is that not only Goku & Vegeta could've surpassed "Ultimate" Gohan, but Gohan himself could. Whether it's possible through training and if so, how many years/decades/ages it would take, is another question.

[Gonstead]

I think it released ALL power that Gohan had stored up in him into his base power, which included his SSJ forms. Adding SSJ afterwards onto his base doesn't increase his power with his ultimate state already unlocked.

[DBZGTKOSDH]

IMO, Rou Kaioshin created a new state for Gohan's base form, which is stronger than a Raged SS3 Gohan that has trained to his limits after years. Hidden Power/Dormant Power/Dormant Potential is what hleV said above. However, Toriyama said that there is no limit in increasing your ki, so I guess that Gohan can get stronger, but much slower than he did before (since Goku said that he reached his limit during the Cell Games, and he gets stronger at a much slower pace from that point).

[TheMightyOzaru]

Rou Kaioshin merely unleashed all of his current potential. If Gohan trained, he could get stronger, but he would receive very minimal gains.

[DoomieDoomie911]

And after Battle of Gods even more where Gohan even enters SSJ somehow... This would make him overkill together with Mystic power up...

Gohan doesn't turn into a Super Saiyan in Battle of Gods, does he? I thought that was a mistake in the first trailer when they showed him as a Super Saiyan, but that was eventually cleared up...?

[hleV]

Gohan fights Beerus in his "Ultimate" state, but goes SS for the SSG ritual.

[MDSTSSJ]

Ultimate Gohan has reached its limits thanks to Rou Kaioshin. He will be better but not by much!

Gohan is said to have the biggest potential from time to time, so what if the stuff would have happen to Vegeta and Goku, who train all the time... Would they still be weaker cuz even while training they never can reach Mystic Gohan who has the biggest potential?

With BoG´s statement about Goku have immeasurable latent power and may one day become a formidable foe for real, is very difficult for Half Saiyans to surpass Kakarotto.

Kakarotto is an special Saiyan with a immeasurable latent power. No matter half Saiyans have more dormant power than a pure Saiyan; Kakarotto is not a normal Saiyan. He have special abilities, training methods and a BIG fucking taste for the fight like nobody has, NOBODY.

Toriyama:
Goku wants nothing other than to get stronger, and it feels like he doesn't have any other instincts

Those are my personal thoughts.

[Kishido]

And after Battle of Gods even more where Gohan even enters SSJ somehow... This would make him overkill together with Mystic power up...

Gohan doesn't turn into a Super Saiyan in Battle of Gods, does he? I thought that was a mistake in the first trailer when they showed him as a Super Saiyan, but that was eventually cleared up...?

He does in the scene where they give the power to Goku to reach SSG, which makes sense even more complicated... It would mean he can indeed transform into a SSJ and Mystic is some sort of mode on his own, which makes no sense.

And I still don't get why in the movie, ignoring GT now, where everyone is pissing themselves Elder Kai hasn't used the ritual on the others as well to unlock there potential

[DBZGTKOSDH]

And I still don't get why in the movie, ignoring GT now, where everyone is pissing themselves Elder Kai hasn't used the ritual on the others as well to unlock there potential

There wasn't enough time. The ritual takes many hours.

[RandomGuy96]

Because it would be pointless. No one would even come close to Gohan and they all know.

Still doesn't explain why he hasn't giving the outright better Ultimate form to everyone, though, at some time. You'd think that everyone would want it. I think it really is a lifetime max, and that no non-fused being (barring Beers, Whis, and the other 12) can hope to rival it, especially not a relative weakling like Goku or Vegeta.

[TheMightyOzaru]

Gohan doesn't stack Ssj in BoG. He merely goes Ssj instead of unleashing all his potential.

[DoomieDoomie911]

And after Battle of Gods even more where Gohan even enters SSJ somehow... This would make him overkill together with Mystic power up...

Gohan doesn't turn into a Super Saiyan in Battle of Gods, does he? I thought that was a mistake in the first trailer when they showed him as a Super Saiyan, but that was eventually cleared up...?

He does in the scene where they give the power to Goku to reach SSG, which makes sense even more complicated... It would mean he can indeed transform into a SSJ and Mystic is some sort of mode on his own, which makes no sense.

And I still don't get why in the movie, ignoring GT now, where everyone is pissing themselves Elder Kai hasn't used the ritual on the others as well to unlock there potential

Oh okay.

[MDSTSSJ]

Because it would be pointless. No one would even come close to Gohan and they all know.

But there's plenty of evidence to show that no matter how many times Gohan got stronger ( for free or training ) than him, eventually Goku surpassed him.

With the BoG's statement, is backwards now.

[Kishido]

And that's where the problem is... Goku can train how much he wants but Gohan will always be stronger cuz his potential seems to be greater and is fully unlocked... He doesn't even need to train anymore cuz everything is unlocked.

Somehow it makes no sense... And even if... Elder Kai after the Buu saga could have still used it on any of the Saiyans that they are auto powerful without the need of reaching some states... Just think about Goten and Trunks fully unlocked and doing the fusion dance

And if Gohan is someone able to do SSJ and SSJ2 with the additon of mystic as "next" stage it is even more strange...

[Hellspawn28]

I guess Gohan can turn into Mystic Gohan similar how he can do in the video games. If BOG is canon to the anime then it still does not explain why Gohan never turn Mystic in GT against Rildo and Super Yi Xing Long.

[Kishido]

I guess Gohan can turn into Mystic Gohan similar how he can do in the video games. If BOG is canon to the anime then it still does not explain why Gohan never turn Mystic in GT against Rildo and Super Yi Xing Long.

And if he can... During this timeskip Elder Kai should have used it on Goku and Co as well... Goku wouldn't need the SSJ3 form which has a backlash and Vegeta would be stronger than his SSJ2 for sure.

Same for Gotenks/Trunks who could stop reaching pointless SSJ forms

[RandomGuy96]

Because it would be pointless. No one would even come close to Gohan and they all know.

But there's plenty of evidence to show that no matter how many times Gohan got stronger ( for free or training ) than him, eventually Goku surpassed him.

With the BoG's statement, is backwards now.

Toriyama said Goku was at his max in BOG, and that age was catching up to him later. In BOG, Gohan is still stronger than him.

Its just common sense; no matter how much MOUNTAIN TRAINING he does, Goku has no hope of ever catching up. To do so, he'd need to get at least tens of times stronger. He did seven straight years of intense training in the Otherworld and it didn't even double him.

Gohan's potential > Goku's potential

Ultimate Gohan > Gohan's potential

[TheMightyOzaru]

Goku doesn't want to "cheat" to get stronger. Gohan CAN get stronger, he's just hit his current limit. He'll have to find a way to surpass it like he's done before. The Ultimate state is merely Ssj3 + Gohan's hidden power put into a power up. It's not his end limit. It's his current one.

[Kaboom]

I don't know about anyone else's POV, but there's no such thing as an absolute maximum in the Dragon Ball I've been watching and reading for ten years. Whenever somebody thinks they've maxed out, they're always wrong, and they always find some way to get stronger.

So I see Gohan's power unlock from the Elder Kaioshin as no fundamentally different than the one he got from the Grand Elder on Namek. Someone's dormant or "potential" power is a constantly growing thing, and the Kaioshin just brought out all the dormant power Gohan had at that point, and then some extra. This boosted Gohan up to a level considerably stronger than Goku at Super Saiyan 3. But it's not some ridiculously, unfathomably high point thousands of times stronger than Goku or anything, and with ten years or so of Goku training hard while Gohan characteristically does diddly squat, Goku could surpass Gohan again. Likewise, as Gohan's dormant power begins to grow again, he could become stronger by training too.