Can Dragon Ball Characters Destroy Stars?

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Can Dragon Ball Characters Destroy Stars?

Post by RandomGuy96 » Sat Aug 31, 2013 6:14 am

Some things:

-The DBO timeline has Goku and Vegeta causing a Supernova (or multiple, depending the translation).
-An anime based guidebook confirmed that Cell can indeed destroy the solar system.
-An anime only flashback had Pure Buu extinguishing a significant portion of a galaxy's luminescence, heavily implying the destruction of stars.

So, with all that taken into account, particularly the DBO line, wouldn't Gohan, Gotenks, Goku, and any form of Buu be star busters?
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He's probably referring to the Bardock special. Zarbon was the one who first recommended destroying Planet Vegeta because the saiyans were rapidly growing in strength.
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Re: Can Dragon Ball Characters Destroy Stars?

Post by DBZGTKOSDH » Sat Aug 31, 2013 6:22 am

Everything says they can, and nothing says they can't. So, it's possible, but only if the character is at least from Super Perfect Cell's lever & up, and can use a powerful technique for that.
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Superman is, and always has been, a symbol for truth, justice, and upstanding moral fortitude–a role model and leader as much as a fighter. The more down-to-earth Goku has no illusions about being responsible for maintaining social order, or for setting some kind of moral example for the entire world. Goku is simply a martial artist who’s devoted his life toward perfecting his fighting skills and other abilities. Though never shy about risking his life to save either one person or the entire world, he just doesn’t believe that the balance of the world rests in any way on his shoulders, and he has no need to shape any part of it in his image. Goku is an idealist, and believes that there is some good in everyone, but he is unconcerned with the big picture of the world…unless it has to do with some kind of fight. Politics, society, law and order don’t have much bearing on his life, but he’s a man who knows right from wrong.

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Re: Can Dragon Ball Characters Destroy Stars?

Post by The Monkey King » Sat Aug 31, 2013 7:08 am

The Chozenshuu confirmes Beers has been destroying stars since that's his job.
Calcs put Kid Buu's Vanishing Ball at star level because of the way it exploded.
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Re: Can Dragon Ball Characters Destroy Stars?

Post by xJeffx » Sat Aug 31, 2013 7:53 am

In the first Cooler movie, Cooler was thinking about destroying the Sun and letting them freeze to death.

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Post by Xeogran » Sat Aug 31, 2013 9:10 am

xJeffx wrote:In the first Cooler movie, Cooler was thinking about destroying the Sun and letting them freeze to death.
Imagine how many villains asses could he save if he did that.

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Re: Can Dragon Ball Characters Destroy Stars?

Post by DBZGTKOSDH » Sat Aug 31, 2013 9:13 am

xJeffx wrote:In the first Cooler movie, Cooler was thinking about destroying the Sun and letting them freeze to death.
Wait, wasn't the sun destroyed in the end of the movie? Though it was restored immediately.
James Teal (Animerica 1996) wrote:When you think about it, there are a number of similarities between the Chinese-inspired Son Goku and that most American of superhero icons, Superman. Both are aliens sent to Earth shortly after birth to escape the destruction of their homeworlds; both possess super-strength, flight, super-speed, heightened senses and the ability to cast energy blasts. But the crucial difference between them lies not only in how they view the world, but in how the world views them.

Superman is, and always has been, a symbol for truth, justice, and upstanding moral fortitude–a role model and leader as much as a fighter. The more down-to-earth Goku has no illusions about being responsible for maintaining social order, or for setting some kind of moral example for the entire world. Goku is simply a martial artist who’s devoted his life toward perfecting his fighting skills and other abilities. Though never shy about risking his life to save either one person or the entire world, he just doesn’t believe that the balance of the world rests in any way on his shoulders, and he has no need to shape any part of it in his image. Goku is an idealist, and believes that there is some good in everyone, but he is unconcerned with the big picture of the world…unless it has to do with some kind of fight. Politics, society, law and order don’t have much bearing on his life, but he’s a man who knows right from wrong.

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Re: Can Dragon Ball Characters Destroy Stars?

Post by TheMightyOzaru » Sat Aug 31, 2013 10:05 am

Yes. Cell could certainly destroy the Sun IMO. It would take someone of Super Buu's level to destroy something like VY Canis Majoris though IMO. Here is what I use for my busting calcs:
Earth: 1 x 16,000 = 16,000
Moon: 0.0123 x 16,000 = 196.8
Pluto: 0.0021 x 16,000 = 33.6
Mercury: 0.0553 x 16,000 = 884.8
Mars: 0.107 x 16,000 = 1,712
Venus: 0.815 x 16,000 = 13,040
Namek: 0.92 x 16,000 = 14,720
Planet Vegeta: 10 x 16,000 = 160,000
Uranus: 14.536 x 16,000 = 232,576
Neptune: 17.147 x 16,000 = 274,352
Saturn: 95.159 x 16,000 = 1,522,544
Jupiter: 317.83 x 16,000 = 5,085,280
Sun: 332,946 x 16,000 = 5,327,136,000
VY Canis Majoris: 9,988,380 x 16,000 = 159,814,080,000
Milky Way Galaxy: 416,182,500,000,000,000 x 16,000 = 6,658,920,000,000,000,000,000
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Re: Can Dragon Ball Characters Destroy Stars?

Post by TheGmGoken » Sat Aug 31, 2013 1:09 pm

Well not ALL stars but certain stars can easily destroy.

Sun - Mass 332,768 - Power - 3,329,000,000 billion
Gliese 581 - Mass 106,644 - power - 1,066,440,000

I'm sure anyone at least in the Android Arc could destroy these stars. So yes in fact they can destroys stars.

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Re: Can Dragon Ball Characters Destroy Stars?

Post by Toriyama-sama » Sat Aug 31, 2013 1:36 pm

Don't you think it'd be more convenient to just use scientific notation? This is, you know, the standard way of writing very big or very small numbers, and is able to avoid the huge mess that frequently arises in these discussions. Also, there's no need to display several significant figures when said numbers are simply very rough estimates by nature.

Anyway, on-topic, I don't see why not. I've certainly always looked at them as such. From the moment Muten Roshi destroyed the Moon in early Dragon Ball, and bearing in mind the non-stop exponential growth in power that the characters display throughtout the series, I wouldn't find it the least bit surprising.

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Re: Can Dragon Ball Characters Destroy Stars?

Post by TheGmGoken » Sat Aug 31, 2013 1:38 pm

Don't you think it'd be more convenient to just use scientific notation? This is, you know, the standard way of writing very big or very small numbers, and is able to avoid the huge mess that frequently arises in these discussions. Also, there's no need to display several significant figures when said numbers are simply very rough estimates by nature.
None of these are very small or very big numbers for dbz :lol: . Plus not everyone understands the Scientific Notation.

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Re: Can Dragon Ball Characters Destroy Stars?

Post by Hellspawn28 » Sat Aug 31, 2013 1:48 pm

Seeing that BOG is canon to the manga, I think the later characters could. Destroying the sun takes a lot of power and being stronger then Character A does not mean you can do the same 10X over. #18 is much stronger then Freeza, but I doubt she can destroy anything other then Planets.
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Wait, wasn't the sun destroyed in the end of the movie? Though it was restored immediately.
I remember it was a small black out in the end. Besides I remember Coola saying that he could destroy the Sun was a Funi dub line.
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Re: Can Dragon Ball Characters Destroy Stars?

Post by dbzfan7 » Sat Aug 31, 2013 4:08 pm

I believe they can. But I don't believe in Galaxy busting. Though Anime Boohan was a universe disrupter who could destroy it all if given enough time.
Why Dragon Ball Consistency in something such as power levels matter!

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Post by TheGmGoken » Sat Aug 31, 2013 4:15 pm

dbzfan7 wrote:I believe they can. But I don't believe in Galaxy busting. Though Anime Boohan was a universe disrupter who could destroy it all if given enough time.
I think anyone is a Galaxy buster if Given time. If humans(Real life) can destroy Earth given time. Just imagine if we fuck up and destroy the ever expanding universe :lol:

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Re: Can Dragon Ball Characters Destroy Stars?

Post by Kamiccolo9 » Sat Aug 31, 2013 4:18 pm

Personally, I find the term "galaxy buster" to be kinda dumb.
Vegeta "I can destroy planets!"
Cell "I will destroy the Solar System!"
Proposed Galaxy Buster "I will destroy something that is 99% empty space!"
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Re: Can Dragon Ball Characters Destroy Stars?

Post by TheGmGoken » Sat Aug 31, 2013 4:19 pm

Kamiccolo9 wrote:Personally, I find the term "galaxy buster" to be kinda dumb.
Vegeta "I can destroy planets!"
Cell "I will destroy the Solar System!"
Proposed Galaxy Buster "I will destroy something that is 99% empty space!"
Hey it's a great feat. Do you know how hard it is to destroy empty space. Been trying to beat up space for a long time. I lost......

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Re: Can Dragon Ball Characters Destroy Stars?

Post by dbzfan7 » Sat Aug 31, 2013 4:41 pm

Kamiccolo9 wrote:Personally, I find the term "galaxy buster" to be kinda dumb.
Vegeta "I can destroy planets!"
Cell "I will destroy the Solar System!"
Proposed Galaxy Buster "I will destroy something that is 99% empty space!"
Exactly why I think it's ridiculous
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Re: Can Dragon Ball Characters Destroy Stars?

Post by TheGmGoken » Sat Aug 31, 2013 4:42 pm

dbzfan7 wrote:
Kamiccolo9 wrote:Personally, I find the term "galaxy buster" to be kinda dumb.
Vegeta "I can destroy planets!"
Cell "I will destroy the Solar System!"
Proposed Galaxy Buster "I will destroy something that is 99% empty space!"
Exactly why I think it's ridiculous
Now ask yourself this. Does Akira Toriyama think that? Most likely. But remember the other 1% is hard to destroy. Lastly it's harder to destroy empty space than filled space.

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Post by dbzfan7 » Sat Aug 31, 2013 4:47 pm

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Kamiccolo9 wrote:Personally, I find the term "galaxy buster" to be kinda dumb.
Vegeta "I can destroy planets!"
Cell "I will destroy the Solar System!"
Proposed Galaxy Buster "I will destroy something that is 99% empty space!"
Exactly why I think it's ridiculous
Now ask yourself this. Does Akira Toriyama think that? Most likely. But remember the other 1% is hard to destroy. Lastly it's harder to destroy empty space than filled space.
Hell the distance between Solar systems is probably massive.
Why Dragon Ball Consistency in something such as power levels matter!

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Re: Can Dragon Ball Characters Destroy Stars?

Post by TheGmGoken » Sat Aug 31, 2013 4:49 pm

Hell the distance between Solar systems is probably massive.
Yup. SCIENCE RULES.

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Re: Can Dragon Ball Characters Destroy Stars?

Post by Rocketman » Sat Aug 31, 2013 4:53 pm

I say thee nay.

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