Do Saiyans murder their own families?

Kid Buu · Post by **Kid Buu** » Sat Sep 07, 2013 4:33 pm

I just watched the episode Seventeen kills Dr. Gero, and Krillin remarks how could Seventeen kill his own father (surrogate, not literal).

Then Vegeta responds with:

"They just kill anyone they don't care for, no matter who they may be, huh? Just like the Saiyans. Even their parents and children. It's you Earthlings alone who are the strange ones for thinking differently"

Wait, so do Saiyans kill their own kind? I knew they were barbaric, but I was not aware they could turn on their own kin.

KentalSSJ6 · Post by **KentalSSJ6** » Sat Sep 07, 2013 4:38 pm

Kid Buu wrote:I just watched the episode Seventeen kills Dr. Gero, and Krillin remarks how could Seventeen kill his own father (surrogate, not literal).

Then Vegeta responds with:

"They just kill anyone they don't care for, no matter who they may be, huh? Just like the Saiyans. Even their parents and children. It's you Earthlings alone who are the strange ones for thinking differently"

Wait, so do Saiyans kill their own kind? I knew they were barbaric, but I was not aware they could turn on their own kin.

What dub is this said in? I dont remember it in Kai let alone the manga.

Kid Buu · Post by **Kid Buu** » Sat Sep 07, 2013 4:39 pm

I'm watching Dragon Box Volume 4 in Japanese. It's right after Seventeen kills Dr. Gero.

KentalSSJ6 · Post by **KentalSSJ6** » Sat Sep 07, 2013 4:40 pm

Kid Buu wrote:I'm watching Dragon Box Volume 4 in Japanese. It's right after Seventeen kills Dr. Gero.

Its possible. Dont know much more to say other than that to be honest.

Kid Buu · Post by **Kid Buu** » Sat Sep 07, 2013 4:42 pm

Hmm, I wonder if Vegeta ever considered killing his own dad, since he had surpassed him as a child?

Post by **TheDevilsCorpse** » Sat Sep 07, 2013 4:43 pm

Kid Buu wrote:Hmm, I wonder if Vegeta ever considered killing his own dad, since he had surpassed him as a child?

Surpassed him as a child doesn't mean he surpassed him while his old man was still alive. He was only 5 when Freeza blew up the planet. Plenty more years to still be considered a child.

Kid Buu · Post by **Kid Buu** » Sat Sep 07, 2013 4:46 pm

TheDevilsCorpse wrote:
Kid Buu wrote:Hmm, I wonder if Vegeta ever considered killing his own dad, since he had surpassed him as a child?
Surpassed him as a child doesn't mean he surpassed him while his old man was still alive. He was only 5 when Freeza blew up the planet. Plenty more years to still be considered a child.

True, but I still wonder if Vegeta ever considered killing him? Vegeta is implied to be an asshole, even for Saiyan standereds.

KentalSSJ6 · Post by **KentalSSJ6** » Sat Sep 07, 2013 4:49 pm

Vegeta is weird regarding this. First when Dodoria tells him Freeza wiped the Saiyans out hes only angry cause he let Freeza use him and really doesent give a damn about his race. Then he gives Goku a teary eyed speech about his their race is all gone and must be avenged. Make up your mind Vegeta, you miss your race or you dont.

Kid Buu · Post by **Kid Buu** » Sat Sep 07, 2013 4:53 pm

KentalSSJ6 wrote:Vegeta is weird regarding this. First when Dodoria tells him Freeza wiped the Saiyans out hes only angry cause he let Freeza use him and really doesent give a damn about his race. Then he gives Goku a teary eyed speech about his their race is all gone and must be avenged. Make up your mind Vegeta, you miss your race or you dont.

What Vegeta told Dodoria could have been a facade to protect his prideful image, maybe deep down inside he did care.

KentalSSJ6 · Post by **KentalSSJ6** » Sat Sep 07, 2013 4:55 pm

Kid Buu wrote:
KentalSSJ6 wrote:Vegeta is weird regarding this. First when Dodoria tells him Freeza wiped the Saiyans out hes only angry cause he let Freeza use him and really doesent give a damn about his race. Then he gives Goku a teary eyed speech about his their race is all gone and must be avenged. Make up your mind Vegeta, you miss your race or you dont.
What Vegeta told Dodoria could have been a facade to protect his prideful image, maybe deep down inside he did care.

Why protect his image when Dodoria was 3 seconds from hell anyway?

Rocketman · Post by **Rocketman** » Sat Sep 07, 2013 4:57 pm

Vegeta is a psychopath even among Saiyans.

Remember that Nappa is stunned when Vegeta executes the Saibaman; also remember that Raditz tries five separate times to get his brother to join him.

RandomGuy96 · Post by **RandomGuy96** » Sat Sep 07, 2013 5:10 pm

In the anime, he was also stunned by Vegeta's I-don't-give-a-fuck-ness at the death of his species and Vegeta destroying a planet on a whim out of sadism.

He also immediately recommended reviving Raditz, only for Vegeta to shut him up and say Raditz deserved to die for being pathetic.

KentalSSJ6 · Post by **KentalSSJ6** » Sat Sep 07, 2013 5:13 pm

RandomGuy96 wrote:In the anime, he was also stunned by Vegeta's I-don't-give-a-fuck-ness at the death of his species and Vegeta destroying a planet on a whim out of sadism.

He also immediately recommended reviving Raditz, only for Vegeta to shut him up and say Raditz deserved to die for being pathetic.

Yeah it seems his whole death speech on Namek pretty much comes out of nowhere now, especially considering his lack of grief or even interest over the death of his race.

RandomGuy96 · Post by **RandomGuy96** » Sat Sep 07, 2013 5:18 pm

KentalSSJ6 wrote:
RandomGuy96 wrote:In the anime, he was also stunned by Vegeta's I-don't-give-a-fuck-ness at the death of his species and Vegeta destroying a planet on a whim out of sadism.

He also immediately recommended reviving Raditz, only for Vegeta to shut him up and say Raditz deserved to die for being pathetic.
Yeah it seems his whole death speech on Namek pretty much comes out of nowhere now, especially considering his lack of grief or even interest over the death of his race.

Yep. To be honest, I don't care about the dub change of this speech (or, at least, I don't care about it any more than any time a dub changes any line). In both cases, it comes out of nowhere and is completely out of character with what we've seen, so it's stupid either way. Same thing with Goku's Super Saiyan speech.

TheMightyOzaru · Post by **TheMightyOzaru** » Sat Sep 07, 2013 5:27 pm

I wouldn't be surprised if some of the more f***ed up Saiyans tried to kill their families.

Kid Buu · Post by **Kid Buu** » Sat Sep 07, 2013 5:53 pm

RandomGuy96 wrote:
Yep. To be honest, I don't care about the dub change of this speech (or, at least, I don't care about it any more than any time a dub changes any line). In both cases, it comes out of nowhere and is completely out of character with what we've seen, so it's stupid either way. Same thing with Goku's Super Saiyan speech.

Vegeta just seems bipolar in general.

I DONT WANNA FIGHT ANYMORE

*7 Years later*

I'LL KICK YOUR ASS KAKAROT

KentalSSJ6 · Post by **KentalSSJ6** » Sat Sep 07, 2013 6:13 pm

RandomGuy96 wrote:
KentalSSJ6 wrote:
RandomGuy96 wrote:In the anime, he was also stunned by Vegeta's I-don't-give-a-fuck-ness at the death of his species and Vegeta destroying a planet on a whim out of sadism.

He also immediately recommended reviving Raditz, only for Vegeta to shut him up and say Raditz deserved to die for being pathetic.
Yeah it seems his whole death speech on Namek pretty much comes out of nowhere now, especially considering his lack of grief or even interest over the death of his race.
Yep. To be honest, I don't care about the dub change of this speech (or, at least, I don't care about it any more than any time a dub changes any line). In both cases, it comes out of nowhere and is completely out of character with what we've seen, so it's stupid either way. Same thing with Goku's Super Saiyan speech.

To be fair, the "I am The Super Saiyan" speech from Kai is leaps and bounds ahead of the Power Rangerish "I am The Hope of The Universe" speech. Plus its always nice to hear Goku say his full name.

mAcChaos · Post by **mAcChaos** » Sat Sep 07, 2013 9:14 pm

I always figured Vegeta was lying to himself as much as anyone. He had a front to keep up, but when he was about to die he finally realized his real feelings.

Kid Buu · Post by **Kid Buu** » Sat Sep 07, 2013 9:20 pm

mAcChaos wrote:I always figured Vegeta was lying to himself as much as anyone. He had a front to keep up, but when he was about to die he finally realized his real feelings.

Yeah, basically how I was trying to word it earlier.

Dr. Machismo · Post by **Dr. Machismo** » Sat Sep 07, 2013 10:12 pm

If Saiyans don't care for someone, they wouldn't hesistate killing them. Even if it's their family. Raditz is an example of this.

Vegeta just seems bipolar in general.

I DONT WANNA FIGHT ANYMORE

*7 Years later*

I'LL KICK YOUR ASS KAKAROT

Changing your mind about something over the course of 7 years isn't bipolar.

Kanzenshuu

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