Movie 8 - Goku and Gohan not mastered SSJs?

[Legendary Saiya-Jin]

Do you think this was intended to follow the Cell Games Saga despite Goku and Gohan being shown in their base forms?

I used to like following the idea that this was an alternate reality, but due to the fact that the next movie where Broly shows up indicates it follows the canon, and it's been stated the Cooler's Revenge movie happened during the Three Years Training despite the fact that Goku didn't seem to remember how to go SSJ without rage, I wouldn't be surprised if this was the same case with this movie. Perhaps they made Gohan and Goku base Saiyans just to have cool transformations from base to SSJ.

What do you guys think?

[RandomGuy96]

Neither Movie 10 nor this movie can fit. They're just part of the same alternate universe.

[DBZGTKOSDH]

They are both portrayed to be Super Saiyan Full Power. However, they don't seem to be as strong as they were in the Cell Games, and M10 implies that they were weaker, since Boo arc/M10 Gohan didn't train for 7 years, yet he says he is considerably stronger than the last time he met Broli (Cell Games did happen obviously in the movie continuity, but differently). So, M8 Gohan << CG Gohan >= M10 Gohan.

[SSJ4_Zankuto]

I do recall Cell, Androids and Cell Games aren't mentioned in Movie 8. Goku and Gohan does have Super Saiyan Full Power capabilities in the movie, as it's pointing to Post-ROSAT-selves.

[Super Saiyan Turlast x4]

I always assumed they were weaker because Popo likely came in and told them that Vegeta defeated Cell, thus giving them a reason to leave early.

[Kakashi]

They are both portrayed to be Super Saiyan Full Power. However, they don't seem to be as strong as they were in the Cell Games, and M10 implies that they were weaker, since Boo arc/M10 Gohan didn't train for 7 years, yet he says he is considerably stronger than the last time he met Broli (Cell Games did happen obviously in the movie continuity, but differently). So, M8 Gohan << CG Gohan >= M10 Gohan.

M10 Gohan ~ Boo Arc Gohan

On topic, they are MSSJs but equal to their resting states IMO

[Kaboom]

There's two distinct steps to what Goku and Gohan did in the Room of Spirit and Time.

1) Attain mastery of Super Saiyan.
2) Train together a lot.

I think that in Movie 8, they may have completed step 1, but not done as much of step 2 as they did in the series proper before calling it quits. That's if the movie, based on the concept sketches for it, decided to "borrow" the characters as they were during Perfect Cell's first appearance, with Vegeta and Trunks using Super Saiyan Grade 2, and Goku and Gohan both Super Saiyans yet not their clear and drastic superiors in power. Goku and Gohan may have still been stronger than Vegeta and Trunks, but the movie didn't make it seem like it was by all that much.

[dario03]

They are both portrayed to be Super Saiyan Full Power. However, they don't seem to be as strong as they were in the Cell Games, and M10 implies that they were weaker, since Boo arc/M10 Gohan didn't train for 7 years, yet he says he is considerably stronger than the last time he met Broli (Cell Games did happen obviously in the movie continuity, but differently). So, M8 Gohan << CG Gohan >= M10 Gohan.

Perhaps. But its also possible that Gohan is referring to his SS2 power since he definitely didn't use that in M8.

[Redgohan147]

There's two distinct steps to what Goku and Gohan did in the Room of Spirit and Time.

1) Attain mastery of Super Saiyan.
2) Train together a lot.

I think that in Movie 8, they may have completed step 1, but not done as much of step 2 as they did in the series proper before calling it quits. That's if the movie, based on the concept sketches for it, decided to "borrow" the characters as they were during Perfect Cell's first appearance, with Vegeta and Trunks using Super Saiyan Grade 2, and Goku and Gohan both Super Saiyans yet not their clear and drastic superiors in power. Goku and Gohan may have still been stronger than Vegeta and Trunks, but the movie didn't make it seem like it was by all that much.

The movie actually made Gohan out to be the weakest of the group, in actuality.

[Kakashi]

Movie 8 Goku is resting Goku IMO

[Hellspawn28]

Do you think this was intended to follow the Cell Games Saga despite Goku and Gohan being shown in their base forms?

I used to like following the idea that this was an alternate reality, but due to the fact that the next movie where Broly shows up indicates it follows the canon

What do you guys think?

Movie 10 can't fit since Videl knows that Gohan can go SSj when she didn't know about it until Gohan transform in front of Kibito. Also Goten knows who his dad is when he didn't meet him until later. Movie 8-11 take place in a AU timelime where there was no panic during the Cell games and Goku most likely didn't return to Earth during the Buu saga going by Movie 11.

[Kakashi]

Do you think this was intended to follow the Cell Games Saga despite Goku and Gohan being shown in their base forms?

I used to like following the idea that this was an alternate reality, but due to the fact that the next movie where Broly shows up indicates it follows the canon

What do you guys think?

Movie 10 can't fit since Videl knows that Gohan can go SSj when she didn't know about it until Gohan transform in front of Kibito. Also Goten knows who his dad is when he didn't meet him until later. Movie 8-11 take place in a AU timelime where there was no panic during the Cell games and Goku most likely didn't return to Earth during the Buu saga going by Movie 11.

Movie 10 was released after Gohan went SSjin 2 and after Goten knew Goku34wwQ

[Hellspawn28]

True, but the events of the movie seem to take place before the 25th Tenkachi Budokai. So it would be impossible for Goten to know Goku beforehand unless Goku travel back to Earth earlier since the movie is likely taken place in a AU.