A request to all forum members

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Post by Dayspring » Fri Nov 18, 2005 4:12 pm

First, I'd like to sincerely apologize if this unintentionally goes the way of the rant.

Lately, the boards have slowly been shifting in attitude from discussion about Dragonball to which medium (video game, manga, anime, daizenshuu) is the best, or "most real." As a result, people have been lording their views over others and have become exceptionally lax in how they phrase things (intentionally and non), which often results in a shutting down of the other person's opinion because they favor another medium. This inevitably leads to an end of possible discussion on that person's part, so they always have to back up their stance. If they do, they're regarded as having started a fight. Not a debate, not a continuation of the discussion, not an argument; a fight.

We've even gone as far as to coin our own derogatory term for someone who prefers the manga ("manga purist" for those pretending they don't know what I'm talking about). That's an exceptional accomplishment, unfortunately just exceptionally.

In defense of those who prefer the manga, please note that many of those you would label a "purist" because of their "constant" pointing out of what they enjoy about the manga and dislike about the other mediums are often only doing so because an extensive amount of forum goers are lording what they enjoy about the anime (without realising it, we have a lot of "anime purists" here too). This puts people on the defensive, so unless they completely agree, a reaction will undoubtedly occur: either they'll defend the manga, or they'll get pissed, or other. No matter what they do, however, they'll be labelled a "purist" and everything they say will therefore either be ignored or attacked.
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What's happening at the boards is just another list of people to add to the above series being offended. Let's all try to remember that we shouldn't be attacking people in our posts, and that we're not necessarily being attacked by people in theirs.

Naturally, I'm not exempt. When people egg me on, I throw eggs right back. I've even been known to toss in a few rocks at the same time. I'm only writing this post because EX hasn't addressed the issue, since he has even less patience with this crap than us, and will normally just lock a thread if the problem goes on too far. Unfortunately, we've carrying our issues with us to the next thread.

EX's comments are always along the lines that he's amazed he even has to tell us to stop or to lock a thread, and with good reason. We should know better, so let's act like mature people instead of like those of the old forums of yesteryear.
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Post by VegettoEX » Fri Nov 18, 2005 6:37 pm

It's not just this forum; even (dare I use the term) "dubbie" forums have been prone to this. It's this massive forum-craze, lately, at least in terms of DBZ fans. Things like "filler vs canon" debates hardly even existed until just a year or two ago.

I think the main cause of it is simply the vast majority of the franchise is actually *out* in most countries, now. Previously, many fans couldn't have this debate because they hadn't even read/seen most of it. Now you can walk into Best Buy and get movie 11. It's nuts.

I've been wanting to write an editorial about the shifts in fandom, and I probably will, soon.

But yeah. Be nice...?
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Post by Li'l Lemmy » Fri Nov 18, 2005 9:48 pm

I've seen some of that lately, but don't actually own any manga; I can't actually contribute to any sort of discussion comparing one to the other. Which isn't to say that just reading through that sort of back-and-forth discussion can't get tiresome fast when it becomes a war, because most certainly it can; particularly when the responses become peppered with insults.

If what EX says is true, it's not limited to this particular board; we're all only human, after all . . . though at the same time, I like his philosophy that this board can be different than the rest; it's why I choose to exist here. At any rate, I've got faith in everyone's ability not to carry anything too far too often. Myself, I'll try to remember my manners no matter what the discussion.
VegettoEX wrote:I think the main cause of it is simply the vast majority of the franchise is actually *out* in most countries, now. Previously, many fans couldn't have this debate because they hadn't even read/seen most of it. Now you can walk into Best Buy and get movie 11. It's nuts.
If someone had told me some years ago that the day would soon come when we'd be able to do just that . . . heh. Who would have ever thought?
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Post by Dayspring » Fri Nov 18, 2005 10:33 pm

Li'l Lemmy wrote:
VegettoEX wrote:I think the main cause of it is simply the vast majority of the franchise is actually *out* in most countries, now. Previously, many fans couldn't have this debate because they hadn't even read/seen most of it. Now you can walk into Best Buy and get movie 11. It's nuts.
If someone had told me some years ago that the day would soon come when we'd be able to do just that . . . heh. Who would have ever thought?
And a few years prior to that I'd be "heh-ing" if anyone told me we'd get past season 3 of the dub. :P
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Post by Gamingdevil » Sat Nov 19, 2005 6:03 am

Dayspring wrote:
Li'l Lemmy wrote:
VegettoEX wrote:I think the main cause of it is simply the vast majority of the franchise is actually *out* in most countries, now. Previously, many fans couldn't have this debate because they hadn't even read/seen most of it. Now you can walk into Best Buy and get movie 11. It's nuts.
If someone had told me some years ago that the day would soon come when we'd be able to do just that . . . heh. Who would have ever thought?
And a few years prior to that I'd be "heh-ing" if anyone told me we'd get past season 3 of the dub. :P
I'm still doing that :P Stupid Kanaal 2 :(
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