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Would Goku accept Trunks if he had surpass him?

Post by DBZGTKOSDH » Sun Sep 22, 2013 6:25 pm

Goku said once to Gohan that his ultimate goal was to be the 2nd strongest in the universe, with Gohan as the 1st. In the end of the series though, there is Goten, Pan, and Oob now, so presumably, Goku wants to be the 5th strongest in the universe, with Gohan, Goten, Pan, and Oob above him. But what about Trunks? He is part of the next generation, and Goku even taught him Fusion. Naturally, Goku would want Gohan, Goten, Pan, and Oob above Trunks, since they are his family & students. But what about him? Would Goku be happy if Trunks had surpassed him? And also, do you think that Goten & Trunks did some training together with Goku?
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Superman is, and always has been, a symbol for truth, justice, and upstanding moral fortitude–a role model and leader as much as a fighter. The more down-to-earth Goku has no illusions about being responsible for maintaining social order, or for setting some kind of moral example for the entire world. Goku is simply a martial artist who’s devoted his life toward perfecting his fighting skills and other abilities. Though never shy about risking his life to save either one person or the entire world, he just doesn’t believe that the balance of the world rests in any way on his shoulders, and he has no need to shape any part of it in his image. Goku is an idealist, and believes that there is some good in everyone, but he is unconcerned with the big picture of the world…unless it has to do with some kind of fight. Politics, society, law and order don’t have much bearing on his life, but he’s a man who knows right from wrong.

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Post by TheGmGoken » Sun Sep 22, 2013 7:16 pm

Goku wold probably want to get stronger than Trunks MHO. It would't be a big deal to Goku as it would be for his family and students. He would most likely try to surpass Trunks and then tell Gohan and Goten to surpass Trunks as well. I guess he wants someone who has the "SON" blood or the "SON" training to be the strongest.

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Post by TheMightyOzaru » Sun Sep 22, 2013 8:42 pm

I think Goku gave up on that I need someone to be stronger than me crap when he saw his failure in Gohan, or rather lack there of since Gohan is faaaaaaaaar stronger than his dad now.
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Post by Monkey D Goku » Sun Sep 22, 2013 11:40 pm

TheMightyOzaru wrote:I think Goku gave up on that I need someone to be stronger than me crap when he saw his failure in Gohan, or rather lack there of since Gohan is faaaaaaaaar stronger than his dad now.
I agree with this too. Goku doesn't seem that concerned with having someone stronger than him to protect Earth in his stead since after his revival. I think he sort of saw Gohan and Goten as failures at this. He taught Uub the ropes but how do we know he didn't just teach Uub so he could fight him when his stronger.

After Buu it seems Goku's primary concern was how strong can I get on my own at least BoG made it seem that way.

As for Trunks possibly reaching a lvl higher than him I think Goku wouldn't really care and accept him regardless.
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Post by MDSTSSJ » Mon Sep 23, 2013 8:59 am

TheMightyOzaru wrote:I think Goku gave up on that I need someone to be stronger than me crap when he saw his failure in Gohan
This!

There is not proof that Gohan ( ignoring Rou Kaioshin's unlock ), Goten or Trunks will train to become stronger to surpass his fathers. They are a lost cause on the issue of becoming stronger and his parents know that ( some time later ) after the Cell Games. Hell, Goten was forced to do a little train with his father before 28Th. Pan don´t have the potential because his blood has been diluted enough. Pan has potential to be stronger than humans by far but no more than that.

There is enough evidence that Goku wants to be more powerful after the defeat of Pure Boo even knowing that Gohan is the strongest at that time.

When Oob appears and shows his real power, Goku knows that Oob has a great potential to become stronger and enough potential for Goku's own benefit.

With Goku on Earth, there will be no one ( on Earth ) who can overcome him. Not even Oob after having trained with him.

Moreover, I think If Oob leaves his training, even Vegeta maybe could surpass him.

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Post by DBZGTKOSDH » Mon Sep 23, 2013 10:22 am

In the manga/DBO continuity, Goten and Trunks started training again and opened a swordsmanship school, and Pan had shown her passion for martial arts, and even opened a martial arts school (it was also never stated and there in on evidence that she can't surpass the Saiyans). Gohan has his dormant powers drawn out far beyond their limits, and it is also stated that the Saiyan Halflings (Gohan, Goten, Trunks, Bra, and possibly Pan) have much higher dormant powers than the Saiyans (Goku & Vegeta), and Super Saiyan 3 is the limit. Not to mention that with the rhythms that Goku is getting stronger now, he simply can't surpass Gohan or Gotenks during his living life, because their difference is that huge. As for Oob, he has more dormant power than Goku as well, so he can also surpass Goku.
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Superman is, and always has been, a symbol for truth, justice, and upstanding moral fortitude–a role model and leader as much as a fighter. The more down-to-earth Goku has no illusions about being responsible for maintaining social order, or for setting some kind of moral example for the entire world. Goku is simply a martial artist who’s devoted his life toward perfecting his fighting skills and other abilities. Though never shy about risking his life to save either one person or the entire world, he just doesn’t believe that the balance of the world rests in any way on his shoulders, and he has no need to shape any part of it in his image. Goku is an idealist, and believes that there is some good in everyone, but he is unconcerned with the big picture of the world…unless it has to do with some kind of fight. Politics, society, law and order don’t have much bearing on his life, but he’s a man who knows right from wrong.

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Post by MDSTSSJ » Mon Sep 23, 2013 11:01 am

DBZGTKOSDH wrote:In the manga/DBO continuity, Goten and Trunks started training again and opened a swordsmanship school, and Pan had shown her passion for martial arts, and even opened a martial arts school (it was also never stated and there in on evidence that she can't surpass the Saiyans). Gohan has his dormant powers drawn out far beyond their limits, and it is also stated that the Saiyan Halflings (Gohan, Goten, Trunks, Bra, and possibly Pan) have much higher dormant powers than the Saiyans (Goku & Vegeta), and Super Saiyan 3 is the limit. Not to mention that with the rhythms that Goku is getting stronger now, he simply can't surpass Gohan or Gotenks during his living life, because their difference is that huge. As for Oob, he has more dormant power than Goku as well, so he can also surpass Goku.

Oh you go by DBO continuity. Mmm but DBO TW, KR, HK, is shutting down my friend!

Where is stated that Super Saiyan 3 is the limit?

Where is stated that Goku can not surpass the power of a SSJ3? He several times says the opposite!

Where is stated that Oob ( who have the power of 10 YEARS a go Pure Boo ) who is the reincarnation of Pure Boo have more dormant power than Goku?

With the introduction of BoG, Kakarotto have immeasurable latent power.

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MDSTSSJ wrote:
DBZGTKOSDH wrote:In the manga/DBO continuity, Goten and Trunks started training again and opened a swordsmanship school, and Pan had shown her passion for martial arts, and even opened a martial arts school (it was also never stated and there in on evidence that she can't surpass the Saiyans). Gohan has his dormant powers drawn out far beyond their limits, and it is also stated that the Saiyan Halflings (Gohan, Goten, Trunks, Bra, and possibly Pan) have much higher dormant powers than the Saiyans (Goku & Vegeta), and Super Saiyan 3 is the limit. Not to mention that with the rhythms that Goku is getting stronger now, he simply can't surpass Gohan or Gotenks during his living life, because their difference is that huge. As for Oob, he has more dormant power than Goku as well, so he can also surpass Goku.

Oh you go by DBO continuity. Mmm but DBO TW, KR, HK, is shutting down my friend!

Where is stated that Super Saiyan 3 is the limit?

Where is stated that Goku can not surpass the power of a SSJ3? He several times says the opposite!

Where is stated that Oob ( who have the power of 10 YEARS a go Pure Boo ) who is the reincarnation of Pure Boo have more dormant power than Goku?

With the introduction of BoG, Kakarotto have immeasurable latent power.
Agree , also DBO just isnt good source.

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Post by Kamiccolo9 » Mon Sep 23, 2013 12:54 pm

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Agree , also DBO just isnt good source.
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Post by hleV » Mon Sep 23, 2013 12:58 pm

MDSTSSJ wrote: Oh you go by DBO continuity. Mmm but DBO TW, KR, HK, is shutting down my friend!
How does a closure of game servers shut down a story likely written by Toriyama himself?

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MDSTSSJ wrote:Oh you go by DBO continuity. Mmm but DBO TW, KR, HK, is shutting down my friend!
And the manga is over, what's your point?
MDSTSSJ wrote:Where is stated that Super Saiyan 3 is the limit?
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MDSTSSJ wrote:Where is stated that Goku can not surpass the power of a SSJ3? He several times says the opposite!
I'm not saying he can't get stronger at all, I'm saying that he can't reach Gohan's power anytime soon. In the past, he was getting times stronger through training. Now, he makes small increases in his base at a much slower rate.
MDSTSSJ wrote:Where is stated that Oob ( who have the power of 10 YEARS a go Pure Boo ) who is the reincarnation of Pure Boo have more dormant power than Goku?
Oob has power beyond Super Saiyan 3 since birth. It's been implied in the series that the stronger you are born, the more dormant power you have. And Goku also believes that he is still possibly weaker than Pure Boo/Oob during the 28th Tenkaichi Budokai, so he isn't much stronger since 10 years ago.
MDSTSSJ wrote:With the introduction of BoG, Kakarotto have immeasurable latent power.
And Super Saiyan God. Never forget this small detail.
Bester wrote:Agree , also DBO just isnt good source.
And how did you come to this conclusion?
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Superman is, and always has been, a symbol for truth, justice, and upstanding moral fortitude–a role model and leader as much as a fighter. The more down-to-earth Goku has no illusions about being responsible for maintaining social order, or for setting some kind of moral example for the entire world. Goku is simply a martial artist who’s devoted his life toward perfecting his fighting skills and other abilities. Though never shy about risking his life to save either one person or the entire world, he just doesn’t believe that the balance of the world rests in any way on his shoulders, and he has no need to shape any part of it in his image. Goku is an idealist, and believes that there is some good in everyone, but he is unconcerned with the big picture of the world…unless it has to do with some kind of fight. Politics, society, law and order don’t have much bearing on his life, but he’s a man who knows right from wrong.

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TheMightyOzaru wrote:I think Goku gave up on that I need someone to be stronger than me crap when he saw his failure in Gohan, or rather lack there of since Gohan is faaaaaaaaar stronger than his dad now.
I agree with this too. Goku doesn't seem that concerned with having someone stronger than him to protect Earth in his stead since after his revival. I think he sort of saw Gohan and Goten as failures at this. He taught Uub the ropes but how do we know he didn't just teach Uub so he could fight him when his stronger.

After Buu it seems Goku's primary concern was how strong can I get on my own at least BoG made it seem that way.

As for Trunks possibly reaching a lvl higher than him I think Goku wouldn't really care and accept him regardless.
Yeah I completely agree. I Don't think he would have cared to be honest if he did it would only have been on a friendly competitive level - I think he'd enjoy testing himself against him.
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hleV wrote:
MDSTSSJ wrote: Oh you go by DBO continuity. Mmm but DBO TW, KR, HK, is shutting down my friend!
How does a closure of game servers shut down a story likely written by Toriyama himself?
If DBO is not supported, then the story ends.

Where is the written ( or something ) support of DBO?

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Post by MDSTSSJ » Mon Sep 23, 2013 4:39 pm

DBZGTKOSDH wrote: And the manga is over, what's your point?
DB's story is backed up by the manga! Is written!
MDSTSSJ wrote:Where is stated that Super Saiyan 3 is the limit?
Daizenshuu 7 wrote:The strongest form of Super Saiyan, which draws the hidden power of a Saiyan out to its limits. However, due to the large energy consumption of this form, outside of the afterlife one can only stay transformed for a limited amount of time.
MDSTSSJ wrote:Where is stated that Goku can not surpass the power of a SSJ3? He several times says the opposite!
I'm not saying he can't get stronger at all, I'm saying that he can't reach Gohan's power anytime soon. In the past, he was getting times stronger through training. Now, he makes small increases in his base at a much slower rate.
Training partner like Oob, the gains for Goku can be huge. We never saw in DB two very powerful people train together.
MDSTSSJ wrote:Where is stated that Oob ( who have the power of 10 YEARS a go Pure Boo ) who is the reincarnation of Pure Boo have more dormant power than Goku?
Oob has power beyond Super Saiyan 3 since birth. It's been implied in the series that the stronger you are born, the more dormant power you have. And Goku also believes that he is still possibly weaker than Pure Boo/Oob during the 28th Tenkaichi Budokai, so he isn't much stronger since 10 years ago.
Oob is the reincarnation of Pure Boo. Where is stated that Oob/Boo has dormant power? Oob have the strength of Pure Boo but he can not control it.

Goku believes that maybe he is still possibly weaker than Mr Boo and Oob in his base form.
MDSTSSJ wrote:With the introduction of BoG, Kakarotto have immeasurable latent power.
And Super Saiyan God. Never forget this small detail.
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MDSTSSJ wrote:DB's story is backed up by the manga! Is written!
And DBO's story is backed up by DBO.
MDSTSSJ wrote:Training partner like Oob, the gains for Goku can be huge. We never saw in DB two very powerful people train together.
We have seen two even guys training together, and they never became hundreds of times stronger. The manga & its guides imply that Gohan & Gotenks are over a hundred times stronger than Goku.
MDSTSSJ wrote:Oob is the reincarnation of Pure Boo. Where is stated that Oob/Boo has dormant power? Oob have the strength of Pure Boo but he can not control it.
What? Everyone has dormant power. Pure Boo's power in Oob is his dormant power.
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MDSTSSJ wrote:With the introduction of BoG, Kakarotto have immeasurable latent power.
And Super Saiyan God. Never forget this small detail.
Yes :thumbup:
What I mean is that Beers says all this things for Super Saiyan God Goku. Super Saiyan 3 Goku is a fly to him.
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Superman is, and always has been, a symbol for truth, justice, and upstanding moral fortitude–a role model and leader as much as a fighter. The more down-to-earth Goku has no illusions about being responsible for maintaining social order, or for setting some kind of moral example for the entire world. Goku is simply a martial artist who’s devoted his life toward perfecting his fighting skills and other abilities. Though never shy about risking his life to save either one person or the entire world, he just doesn’t believe that the balance of the world rests in any way on his shoulders, and he has no need to shape any part of it in his image. Goku is an idealist, and believes that there is some good in everyone, but he is unconcerned with the big picture of the world…unless it has to do with some kind of fight. Politics, society, law and order don’t have much bearing on his life, but he’s a man who knows right from wrong.

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Post by dbzfan7 » Mon Sep 23, 2013 7:28 pm

Why not? The more people stronger than him the better. Goku's goal was to be 2nd to Gohan. So I think he would be love a whole generation of fighters who are better than him.
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dbzfan7 wrote:Why not? The more people stronger than him the better. Goku's goal was to be 2nd to Gohan. So I think he would be love a whole generation of fighters who are better than him.

Only for him to surpass them all....

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DBZGTKOSDH wrote: What? Everyone has dormant power. Pure Boo's power in Oob is his dormant power.
I don't see it in that way! Oob is not entirely human! It's never implied or stated that the combination of Pure Boo's blood and Human blood gives great potential. Is not stated or implied that this combination, have more potential than pure Saiyans. Oob is the reincarnation of Pure Boo. Reincarnation means rebirth, die and live again, being born again, etc and you know that of course. Oob is exactly Pure Boo, they are the same being. We don't know the dormant power limits of Pure Boo. Maybe Pure Boo was at its limits when he died. Don't know if you know what I mean!
DBZGTKOSDH wrote:And Super Saiyan God. Never forget this small detail.
What I mean is that Beers says all this things for Super Saiyan God Goku. Super Saiyan 3 Goku is a fly to him.
No, Beers says all that things after seeing that Goku somehow absorbed the powers of SSJG without transforming into. And yes, SSJ3 Kakarotto is a fly for Beers.

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