Biggest DB disappointment

Hellspawn28 · Post by **Hellspawn28** » Mon Oct 21, 2013 5:06 pm

What was the biggest DB related disappointment for you. For me it was GT because I remember seeing all of the pictures for it before it came out and hearing rumors what will happen next. I was so hype up since I loved DBZ and GT sound like it was going to be the next big thing. It had villains escaping out of Hell, Goku becoming a kid again, a new SSj level and Gogeta. I was so hype up that I got a bootleg copy of the first episode before it aired in the US. As a pre-teen during the early 2000's, I try my best to love GT and I even defended the show on old web forums saying it was not bad. Deep down I knew I was wrong and would refuse to admit that the show sucked. I think Gogeta and the Super 17 in GT for me was the biggest let down since the saga was so short and I think they should have done more with the Saga. Gogeta was only in one episode and he was nothing like he was in Movie 12.

The Garlic Jr saga, Episode Bardock, DBE and Bio Broli are worst on a critical level, but I didn't have any high hopes for those four. I knew they were going to be bad and I remember hearing fans already hated the Garlic Jr saga before I became a fan of the series.

90sDBZ · Post by **90sDBZ** » Mon Oct 21, 2013 6:10 pm

For me it was the Westwood Ocean dub. It just made a complete disgrace of their once great DBZ reputation. These days when people talk about the Ocean dub they automatically think of the Westwood dub and say Ocean suck and can't act, which to be fair is true for them episodes even if they were great in the Saban and Pioneer dubs. AB Groupe basically provided a dirt-cheap budget for them to work with which resulted in a dirt-cheap dub with terrible repetitive Megaman music playing. It made the Android-Kid Buu sagas of DBZ in the UK feel like a cheap Saturday morning cartoon and led to a string of increasingly bad dubs like Blue Water GT and the Big Green movies.

YouTube · Post by **Ajay** » Mon Oct 21, 2013 6:21 pm

A majority of the movies are plain boring. They follow the same structure and all end in the same way.

Begin with characters in the middle of something like a party or a meet up. Cut away to incoming bad guy to introduce them and their plan. Cut back to heroes and in enters bad guy. Queue long fight scenes where it seems like all hope is lost. Suddenly either burst of power or genki dama to save the day.

It's bores me to no end. It's why Battle of Gods and Movie 13 are so good. They're actually structured properly and contain real character development. Sure, Movie 13 has the dragon fist but at least it's validated by having content preceding it that actually has real value.

I think the only movie that follows the relatively generic structure and remains interesting is Bojack and that's because its pacing is so well done.

I wouldn't say a majority of the movies are bad, they just embody the 'DBZ is all about fighting' nonsense that non-fans think the show is about. They lack that level of character insight that makes Dragon Ball so good in the first place.

penguintruth · Post by **penguintruth** » Mon Oct 21, 2013 6:51 pm

The fandom.

And the Ultimate Uncut release/redub of seasons 1-2. Come on, you had a chance to make up for your mistakes, Funimation.

TheGmGoken · Post by **TheGmGoken** » Mon Oct 21, 2013 7:19 pm

Biggest disappointment besides Battle of Gods was most likely the SSj2 form. I mean just after 1 character(Gohan) uses it the form becomes useless and used for holding back(Goku vs Vegeta). The form is barely mentioned in Video games besides Gohan and even Toriyama forgot about it and thought SSj3 was the SSj2 form. That's how ignored it is. Hell I don't even blame the fact it did not look very different from SSJ. I blame the fact it's not iconic

B · Post by B » Mon Oct 21, 2013 7:25 pm

The English DRAGONBOX sets being limited editions and most likely never getting ones for the original series or GT.

Vijay · Post by **Vijay** » Mon Oct 21, 2013 7:26 pm

Biggest DB disappoinment?

GT. So much hope, love & nostalgia came crashing down as early as episode 10. Sigh....

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DarkPrince_92 · Post by **DarkPrince_92** » Mon Oct 21, 2013 7:26 pm

Kai not getting reanimated like other series'. I.e Hunter X Hunter, FMA Brotherhood, etc.

dbzfan7 · Post by **dbzfan7** » Mon Oct 21, 2013 7:33 pm

For me it was Ultimate Tenkaichi. I had so much hope for the game.

KentalSSJ6 · Post by **KentalSSJ6** » Mon Oct 21, 2013 7:42 pm

I share the disappointment in the fandom along with Penguin. Some of the comments you see on youtube can nearly make you ashamed to watch the same series as those people.

Hmm..what else..I am disappointed what was done with Gohan at the end of the Cell saga and Buu saga. First he wants to get stronger and fight so he can protect everyone, angry with himself that he has always been a letdown in the past and when he finally gets his chance to prove himself against Cell, he drops the ball entirely for a pacifist act. And THEN, we get him in Mystic Form, ready and willing to obliterate Buu (not to mention handing the Bubblegum wad his elastic pink ass) only to drop a earring and get absorbed so Vegito could make his debut.

I'm disappointed with the wasted potential in Goten and Trunks. We are led to believe that they could have become the strongest warriors in all of DBZ if they trained seriously and stuck with it. We even have proof, seeing as they achieved and mastered SSJ before they were even 10 (I think thats the right age range). If they were serious they could have easily achieved SSJ2 if not SSJ3 by the end of Z.

Ill come clean and just say it. I think Mr. Satan is the worst thing to ever happen to Dragon Ball. Yes I know he can have some good comedy and he has a vital role in the plot but..every time I see him on the screen, I just start chanting "Die..die..please die!" There is just nothing about him I like at all.

TheMightyOzaru · Post by **TheMightyOzaru** » Mon Oct 21, 2013 7:45 pm

I'm not entirely sure.... I guess Vegeta not getting SSJ3 officially disappoints me the most.

dbzfan7 · Post by **dbzfan7** » Mon Oct 21, 2013 7:49 pm

KentalSSJ6 wrote:I share the disappointment in the fandom along with Penguin. Some of the comments you see on youtube can nearly make you ashamed to watch the same series as those people.

Hmm..what else..I am disappointed what was done with Gohan at the end of the Cell saga and Buu saga. First he wants to get stronger and fight so he can protect everyone, angry with himself that he has always been a letdown in the past and when he finally gets his chance to prove himself against Cell, he drops the ball entirely for a pacifist act. And THEN, we get him in Mystic Form, ready and willing to obliterate Buu (not to mention handing the Bubblegum wad his elastic pink ass) only to drop a earring and get absorbed so Vegito could make his debut.

I never go a day without thinking how royally screwed over he was both character wise, and story wise.

KentalSSJ6 wrote:Ill come clean and just say it. I think Mr. Satan is the worst thing to ever happen to Dragon Ball. Yes I know he can have some good comedy and he has a vital role in the plot but..every time I see him on the screen, I just start chanting "Die..die..please die!" There is just nothing about him I like at all.

You are the seed of evil. How dare you mock the hero who saved us from Cell, Bojack, and Majin Boo.

KentalSSJ6 · Post by **KentalSSJ6** » Mon Oct 21, 2013 7:53 pm

TheMightyOzaru wrote:I'm not entirely sure.... I guess Vegeta not getting SSJ3 officially disappoints me the most.

How did I forget to include that...

You are the seed of evil. How dare you mock the hero who saved us from Cell, Bojack, and Majin Boo.

*Wishes my post rank was now Seed of Evil...or Kamiccolo Disguise Spotter*

Insertclevername · Post by **Insertclevername** » Mon Oct 21, 2013 8:24 pm

Well, I'd have to b-

B wrote:The English DRAGONBOX sets being limited editions and most likely never getting ones for the original series or GT.

...oh. Well. That's the best answer I could have ever given.

Hellspawn28 · Post by **Hellspawn28** » Mon Oct 21, 2013 8:50 pm

With the Super 17 saga, I was hoping for some much since they brought back old villains like Cell and Freeza. I like the scene where Vegeta meet Nappa again for the first time in over 20 years, but I wanted to see more villains escaping out of Hell. I feel like the writers were trying to rush through the show and get it over with. I would like to see a scene where Vegeta meets King Vegeta and see how his father would react to him.

KentalSSJ6 · Post by **KentalSSJ6** » Mon Oct 21, 2013 8:54 pm

Hellspawn28 wrote:With the Super 17 saga, I was hoping for some much since they brought back old villains like Cell and Freeza. I like the scene where Vegeta meet Nappa again for the first time in over 20 years, but I wanted to see more villains escaping out of Hell. I feel like the writers were trying to rush through the show and get it over with. I would like to see a scene where Vegeta meets King Vegeta and see how his father would react to him.

I feel like I'm one of the few who defend the Super 17 saga. At least when it comes to 17 himself.

Granted more what if situations would have been nice. Id liked to see Gohan one shot Cell or Goku meeting Bardock. Seems games like Shin Budokai are the only way to see those play out.

rereboy · Post by **rereboy** » Mon Oct 21, 2013 9:02 pm

DarkPrince_92 wrote:Kai not getting reanimated like other series'. I.e Hunter X Hunter, FMA Brotherhood, etc.

Exactly. This is my biggest disappointment in DB.

KentalSSJ6 · Post by **KentalSSJ6** » Mon Oct 21, 2013 9:08 pm

That too. Granted I wouldent a remake looking like the Ultimate Tenkaichi cutscenes/Episode of Bardock/ Plan to Eradicate the Super Saiyans remake.

If they had to remake DBZ, id much rather see the animation used for the Budokai 2 and 3 intros. I think they hit a happy medium between the original animation and animation we got now. Would be cheaper to do as well.

Ringworm128 · Post by **Ringworm128** » Mon Oct 21, 2013 9:17 pm

I guess some of the Z dub actors not returning for Kai, but then again the new voices were that good it doesn't really matter.

AjayLikesGaming wrote:A majority of the movies are plain boring. They follow the same structure and all end in the same way.

Begin with characters in the middle of something like a party or a meet up. Cut away to incoming bad guy to introduce them and their plan. Cut back to heroes and in enters bad guy. Queue long fight scenes where it seems like all hope is lost. Suddenly either burst of power or genki dama to save the day.

It's bores me to no end. It's why Battle of Gods and Movie 13 are so good. They're actually structured properly and contain real character development. Sure, Movie 13 has the dragon fist but at least it's validated by having content preceding it that actually has real value.

I think the only movie that follows the relatively generic structure and remains interesting is Bojack and that's because its pacing is so well done.

I wouldn't say a majority of the movies are bad, they just embody the 'DBZ is all about fighting' nonsense that non-fans think the show is about. They lack that level of character insight that makes Dragon Ball so good in the first place.

I still think Movie 1 was well done, Garlic gave Kami more of a backstory and the whole imortal villain thing was a nice twist.

KentalSSJ6 · Post by **KentalSSJ6** » Mon Oct 21, 2013 9:31 pm

Indeed, except for the utter rip off of the Phantom Zone from DC comics. I mean..come on..

Though this face more than makes up for it.

Spoiler:

I did like the animation they used when Kami was explaining the origin of Garlic's father though.

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