Why did the Anime remove sparks on SSJ2?

[TheGmGoken]

(Please don't turn this into a SSJ2 or SSJ Gohan argument)

I heard rumors that it was because of budgets but yet the can put sparks on SSJ. I don't understand that at all. I can understand(If budget reason was true) SSj3 not having sparks since the long hair helps. But when SSj2 and SSj look alike(For Vegeta ect) should't they make sure to have sparks or at least a different aura? Hell if they could put sparks on SSJ3 for three seconds or put sparks on SSJ ONE for most of the fight then why did SSJ2 barely get any sparks besides Gohan Kid and Majin Vegeta vs Goku?

[TheMightyOzaru]

Laziness or lack of funds.

[TheGmGoken]

Laziness or lack of funds.

Even if they was being lazy. They wasn't lazy enough to NOT put it on SSJ1. Like all the time SSJ got sparks could have been spent on SSJ2. So not even lack of funds could be an excuse

[JulieYBM]

The electricity was either not noticed or was found to be difficult to animate. Each episode has a relatively small number of key animators working on each episode. Toei keeps most episodes of their shows at three-to-four thousand drawings per episode, so it's no wonder the production crew did not always have the time to draw electricity.

[TheGmGoken]

The electricity was either not noticed or was found to be difficult to animate. Each episode has a relatively small number of key animators working on each episode. Toei keeps most episodes of their shows at three-to-four thousand drawings per episode, so it's no wonder the production crew did not always have the time to draw electricity.

When they..."Thought it was to hard". They gave SSJ a very similar spark that should be use for SSj2. So how did they not notice or thought it was to hard? Just curious

[Marco Polo]

Probably the same reason why Toriyama removed sparks on SSJ2 and occasionally puts them on SSJ nowadays. They forgot.

[Kid Buu]

I just watched the filler tournament in Heaven and Goku had sparks when he first goes SSJ against Pikkon.

[Tyro]

Probably the same reason why Toriyama removed sparks on SSJ2 and occasionally puts them on SSJ nowadays. They forgot.

Toriyama was actually very consistent with the lightning-clad aura.

[Marco Polo]

Probably the same reason why Toriyama removed sparks on SSJ2 and occasionally puts them on SSJ nowadays. They forgot.

Toriyama was actually very consistent with the lightning-clad aura.

Until he completely forgot SSJ2 even exists.

[DBZGTKOSDH]

Probably the same reason why Toriyama removed sparks on SSJ2 and occasionally puts them on SSJ nowadays. They forgot.

You mean that Toriyama forgot what Super Saiyan 2 looked like and mixed SS with SS2.

[KentalSSJ6]

I think its due to their appearance. For Goku its the bangs of hair that are the defining feature of his SSJ2 as it goes from 5 to 3. Couple that subtle change with a multitude of different animators and something is bound to get removed/altered/forgotten.

Same thing with Buu Saga Gohan. His hair became rather simple and often was hard to tell the difference between his SSJ1 and SSJ2 when compared to Cell Saga Gohan who's SSJ2 was iconic.

[Vijay]

The electricity was either not noticed or was found to be difficult to animate. Each episode has a relatively small number of key animators working on each episode. Toei keeps most episodes of their shows at three-to-four thousand drawings per episode, so it's no wonder the production crew did not always have the time to draw electricity.

Its quite a lazy-ass excuse for TOEI. I mean when you have super-talented guys like Masunaga Keisugi, Tadayoshi Yamamuro who provide great drawings, simple bio-electricity isn't gonna blow TOEI's budget.

[Ketchup_Revenge]

Of course the simple explanation is either lack of time (deadlines had to be met) or they simply didn't have the budget to do so for whatever episodes that they appeared in.

We also have to realize that SSj2 wasn't actually recognized as a "different level" in-universe until the Tenkaichi Budokai arc, even though most of the veiwers knew it was.

There's also the possibility that Toei had the same issue that Toriyama's editor had. The two forms simply looked too similar to really physically distinguish from one another.

[Son_Gohan]

The anime has applied electricity where it was never present to those scenes in the manga. So the usage for it wouldn't appear to be dictated by the original material or to simply cutting costs. Unless someone has actually worked in anime production or has access to this information, attributing it to a low budget may have little bearing on it if the application is not particularly laborious. The effect has been utilized in the show long before Super Saiyan came around (Piccolo's Makankosappo for instance), so the incentive isn't likely to change for something that wasn't exclusive to transformations in the first place. How the Super Saiyan forms were viewed back then compared to nowadays is also something that shouldn't escape consideration.

[Thanos]

I just watched the filler tournament in Heaven and Goku had sparks when he first goes SSJ against Paikuhan.

I think you've just answered your own question. He also went "false" Super Saiyan in that arc. Filler has a way of being inconsistent and lazier than Toriyama, if possible.

[dbzfan7]

Why couldn't they distinguish the aura's better? The manga does a great job showing the difference.

[Polyphase Avatron]

It was easier to draw?

[TheAldella]

I think that no one was in the right mind when working on Dragon Ball besides whoever did the Majin Vegeta and Goku fight filler.

[JulieYBM]

I think that no one was in the right mind when working on Dragon Ball besides whoever did the Majin Vegeta and Goku fight filler.

Do you mean in episode #230? The majority of those cuts were key animated by Kan'no Toshiyuki of Studio Live. While his movement wasn't always great I sure did love looking at that hair.

[TheAldella]

I think that no one was in the right mind when working on Dragon Ball besides whoever did the Majin Vegeta and Goku fight filler.

Do you mean in episode #230? The majority of those cuts were key animated by Kan'no Toshiyuki of Studio Live. While his movement wasn't always great I sure did love looking at that hair.

Mhmm. That's the one.