Would a Blu-ray release of DB & DBGT be 4:3 or 16:9?

[PhoenixEX]

I'm just wondering what you guys think. The green and blue bricks were both in 4:3, do you guys think they'll release that version or give them the Z Bluray 16:9 treatment?

Also a question, why did FUNi decide to release the green and blue bricks in 4:3 and not 16:9 like the orange bricks?

[Gonstead]

Also a question, why did FUNi decide to release the green and blue bricks in 4:3 and not 16:9 like the orange bricks?

Backlash from the orange bricks most likely.

[jeisurii]

Also a question, why did FUNi decide to release the green and blue bricks in 4:3 and not 16:9 like the orange bricks?

Backlash from the orange bricks most likely.

Doubtful, else why repeat it with the DBZ blu-ray now.

But going on that pattern, I expect the DB and GT blu-ray in comparison to Z to be less over-saturated, somewhat grainier and true to their source in 4:3 just to eff with everyone.

[penguintruth]

16:9.

You can't cure idiocy. Well, you can, but it's illegal.

[The Time Traveller]

Oh they'll be 4:3, but they'll also be upside down, because, to quote the great Gen Fukunaga, "haven't you ever wanted to watch anime while laying on your back but every thing's upside down?"

[MarcFBR]

DB/GT got different treatment than Z for a few reasons.

1- They aren't as popular as Z, so they don't warrant the cash needed for the effort because they won't sell at super high numbers.
2- Funi's masters for those shows are tape, not film. You can play with zooming on video masters a bit, but anything more than minor really becomes noticeable. They could potentially do upscales, but I just don't see it happening for those shows.

[KentalSSJ6]

16:9.

You can't cure idiocy. Well, you can, but it's illegal.

A certain amount of sharp blows to the head with a heavy stick sometimes works. Its a 50/50 but hey, who's counting?

[Fizzer]

I actually just want them to be fricking consistent, that's the only thing that can save this release for me, so I actually hope for 16:9. They'll probably end up being 4:3 though.

[dbboxkaifan]

I just hope that the PQ of it is excellent and won't crop the shit out of it for 16:9.

If people really want it 16x9 then just zoom in the damn picture, you know, your HDTV has that thingy called a zoom-feature.

[VegettoEX]

Editing the title to not be so misleading. There is no currently-announced Blu-ray plan for either series, so I've changed it to "Would a Blu-ray release of..."

But Marc basically summed it up: they're on tape, so probably sticking with 4:3 unless they magically get film reels.

[Blu-ray_Mistress]

I hope when they release DB on Blu-ray that they keep it in 4:3 aspect ratio.

[ShadowDude112]

2- Funi's masters for those shows are tape, not film.

Why does Toei basically give FUNimation shit masters for Z and tape for DB and GT? Like, that's treating an investor like shit. I will never understand this.

[MarcFBR]

Why does Toei basically give FUNimation shit masters for Z and tape for DB and GT? Like, that's treating an investor like shit. I will never understand this.

Technically the film masters are better... it's just shit film.

Because they can is the short answer... the longer answer has to do with oddities in licensing, companies being insecure, companies not trusting eachother, and companies just being plain incompetent.

The only company/guy who has ever been able to consistently pull decent stuff out of Toei is Saban.

There are all sorts of weird stories: The FLCL Blu-ray, Super Gals season 2 on DVD, Project A-ko, the FMP Blu-rays, the new Akira Blu-ray (and those are just a few ones I can think of off the top of my head, there are tons more.) Samurai Champloo's BDs in Japan are actually based on our Blu-rays for example.

[ShadowDude112]

Why does Toei basically give FUNimation shit masters for Z and tape for DB and GT? Like, that's treating an investor like shit. I will never understand this.

Technically the film masters are better... it's just shit film.

Because they can is the short answer... the longer answer has to do with oddities in licensing, companies being insecure, companies not trusting eachother, and companies just being plain incompetent.

The only company/guy who has ever been able to consistently pull decent stuff out of Toei is Saban.

There are all sorts of weird stories: The FLCL Blu-ray, Super Gals season 2 on DVD, Project A-ko, the FMP Blu-rays, the new Akira Blu-ray (and those are just a few ones I can think of off the top of my head, there are tons more.) Samurai Champloo's BDs in Japan are actually based on our Blu-rays for example.

Could you PM me in detail, possibly? I'm actually really interested in this and would just love to know, but I don't want to derail the thread.

[KentalSSJ6]

Why does Toei basically give FUNimation shit masters for Z and tape for DB and GT? Like, that's treating an investor like shit. I will never understand this.

Technically the film masters are better... it's just shit film.

Because they can is the short answer... the longer answer has to do with oddities in licensing, companies being insecure, companies not trusting eachother, and companies just being plain incompetent.

The only company/guy who has ever been able to consistently pull decent stuff out of Toei is Saban.

There are all sorts of weird stories: The FLCL Blu-ray, Super Gals season 2 on DVD, Project A-ko, the FMP Blu-rays, the new Akira Blu-ray (and those are just a few ones I can think of off the top of my head, there are tons more.) Samurai Champloo's BDs in Japan are actually based on our Blu-rays for example.

Samurai Champloo and Fooly Cooly blurays were disappointing. Just a HD upscale and not a real remastering. A shame because both series could look stunning. Maybe if the Cowboy Bebop bluray does well next year, Samurai Champloo will get a better bluray treatment.

[MarcFBR]

Samurai Champloo and Fooly Cooly blurays were disappointing. Just a HD upscale and not a real remastering. A shame because bother series could look stunning. Maybe if the Cowboy Bebop bluray does well next year, Samurai Champloo will get a better bluray treatment.

Considering Samurai Champloo and FLCL were both animated digitally in SD I wouldn't wait up on that one (and frankly, upscales aren't inherently a bad thing, especially in the case of shows like Champloo...)

But them being upscales aren't actually the story.

Talking strictly about Champloo... I expect the Blu-rays in stores are the best that show will ever look.

FLCL.... well... that one is a more interesting story.

[kei17]

DB/GT got different treatment than Z for a few reasons.

1- They aren't as popular as Z, so they don't warrant the cash needed for the effort because they won't sell at super high numbers.
2- Funi's masters for those shows are tape, not film. You can play with zooming on video masters a bit, but anything more than minor really becomes noticeable. They could potentially do upscales, but I just don't see it happening for those shows.

Doesn't FUNi's digibeta footage of the original DB look like their own transfers? My guess is that they do have film masters but have never bothered to re-transfer them because DB sells less than DBZ. As for GT, they obviously have only tapes.

[MarcFBR]

Doesn't FUNi's digibeta footage of the original DB look like their own transfers? My guess is that they do have film masters but have never bothered to re-transfer them because DB sells less than DBZ. As for GT, they obviously have only tapes.

It's likely more a case that the tapes aren't fantastic so Funimation did some minor work: I believe they zoomed in a bit... I don't recall why (likely judder correction or to get rid of some oddities that showed up on the tape, it's been awhile since I watched the blue boxes, so I don't recall... I know Right Stuf did that with their To Heart digibetas...)

They did similar stuff with their GT green bricks as I recall.

[Hellspawn28]

Samurai Champloo and Fooly Cooly blurays were disappointing. Just a HD upscale and not a real remastering. A shame because both series could look stunning. Maybe if the Cowboy Bebop bluray does well next year, Samurai Champloo will get a better bluray treatment.

Yeah that I why I didn't bother checking out the Blu-Ray for FLCL. It won't surprise me if Funi Blu-Ray's end up being better then the Blu-Rays from Toei (If they start making them). Sometimes American companies can make better quality home video releases then Japan can. For example, Tristar DVD's look better then Toho's Toho's HD master. For example, from Godzilla vs. Destoryah (1995).

Toho's HD master



Tristar DVD



Godzilla vs. King Ghidorah

Toho's HD master



Tristar DVD



Credit goes to Cody Himes from Club Tokyo for posting these.

[doomydoomydoom]

Toho's HD master

Holy SHIT that's awful! How the Hell did Toho ever manage that one...did they have "dress up like Blue Man Group day" and spill the paint or something? O.o

Also, what are the "weird stories" with the Akira BD? I was thinking of getting it but I've been out of the loop, so...