How strong do you think Tapion is?
Despite being a skilled swordsman he shows no signs of having a high power level or even a significant power level compared to any of the Z Fighters present.
Who do you think he is comparable to if anyone?
Tapion's power level
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Re: Tapion's power level
He lacks good feats to judge him. I doubt he is very strong, he may be weaker then the Ginyu Force.
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Re: Tapion's power level
I gave him a BP of 1,000,000.
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Re: Tapion's power level
That's how the ax falls for a lot of interesting characters who aren't Saiyan unfortunately.Hellspawn28 wrote:He lacks good feats to judge him.
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Re: Tapion's power level
Did he even do anything? If not, I'd guess weaker than King Piccolo.
The Monkey King wrote:It was actually Beerus disguised as Zarbon #StayWokeRandomGuy96 wrote:He's probably referring to the Bardock special. Zarbon was the one who first recommended destroying Planet Vegeta because the saiyans were rapidly growing in strength.dbgtFO wrote: Please elaborate as I do not know what you mean by "pushing Vegeta's destruction"
Herms wrote:The fact that the ridiculous power inflation is presented so earnestly makes me just roll my eyes and snicker. Like with Freeza, where he starts off over 10 times stronger than all his henchmen except Ginyu (because...well, just because), then we find out he can transform and get even more powerful, and then he reveals he can transform two more times, before finally coming out with the fact that he hasn't even been using anywhere near 50% of his power. Oh, and he can survive in the vacuum of space. All this stuff is just presented as the way Freeza is, without even an attempt at rationalizing it, yet the tone dictates we're supposed to take all this silly grasping at straws as thrilling danger. So I guess I don't really take the power inflation in the Boo arc seriously, but I don't take the power inflation in earlier arcs seriously either, so there's no net loss of seriousness. I think a silly story presented as serious is harder to accept than a silly story presented as silly.
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Re: Tapion's power level
The only thing we know about him is that he had an incredible kid (from Goku).
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Superman is, and always has been, a symbol for truth, justice, and upstanding moral fortitude–a role model and leader as much as a fighter. The more down-to-earth Goku has no illusions about being responsible for maintaining social order, or for setting some kind of moral example for the entire world. Goku is simply a martial artist who’s devoted his life toward perfecting his fighting skills and other abilities. Though never shy about risking his life to save either one person or the entire world, he just doesn’t believe that the balance of the world rests in any way on his shoulders, and he has no need to shape any part of it in his image. Goku is an idealist, and believes that there is some good in everyone, but he is unconcerned with the big picture of the world…unless it has to do with some kind of fight. Politics, society, law and order don’t have much bearing on his life, but he’s a man who knows right from wrong.
Re: Tapion's power level
Goku does remark that he feels an "incredible ki" when Tapion is being released from the music box... but when you think about it, is that Tapion's ki he's feeling, or Hildegarn's?
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Re: Tapion's power level
What? Did this incredible half-saiyan kid become a lawyer, or doctor, or something?DBZGTKOSDH wrote:The only thing we know about him is that he had an incredible kid (from Goku).
The Monkey King wrote:It was actually Beerus disguised as Zarbon #StayWokeRandomGuy96 wrote:He's probably referring to the Bardock special. Zarbon was the one who first recommended destroying Planet Vegeta because the saiyans were rapidly growing in strength.dbgtFO wrote: Please elaborate as I do not know what you mean by "pushing Vegeta's destruction"
Herms wrote:The fact that the ridiculous power inflation is presented so earnestly makes me just roll my eyes and snicker. Like with Freeza, where he starts off over 10 times stronger than all his henchmen except Ginyu (because...well, just because), then we find out he can transform and get even more powerful, and then he reveals he can transform two more times, before finally coming out with the fact that he hasn't even been using anywhere near 50% of his power. Oh, and he can survive in the vacuum of space. All this stuff is just presented as the way Freeza is, without even an attempt at rationalizing it, yet the tone dictates we're supposed to take all this silly grasping at straws as thrilling danger. So I guess I don't really take the power inflation in the Boo arc seriously, but I don't take the power inflation in earlier arcs seriously either, so there's no net loss of seriousness. I think a silly story presented as serious is harder to accept than a silly story presented as silly.
Re: Tapion's power level
40,000 is a fair pl for a character like Tapion.
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Re: Tapion's power level
It's really hard to say. With other characters, we at least can guess at how their power growth happened and/or see them fight someone with a more well-defined power level... Tapion, we only see for this movie and he never really does much. I would assume Tapion's power level would be higher than Hoi's power level, and probably higher than his little brother's power level... definitely weaker than every significant fighter in the movie, though. Probably a lot weaker than even the base Saiyans, though it's hard to say for sure since the power levels of the base Saiyans themselves are hard to really figure out after you hit the "nobody but Super Saiyans and Piccolo need apply" point in the series.
I know he doesn't actually fight or do much of anything in the movie, but does he at least fly or something? I honestly can't remember if we ever see him fly. If he can, that would at least point toward him being stronger than Mr. Satan or something, and probably above most (if not all) of the early/mid-Dragonball fighters, since we know that flying (with bukujutsu, anyway) wasn't usable for long periods of time at those lower levels and even Goku at the beginning of Z didn't like flying much because it wore him out too quickly. I guess Gohan must have picked up Piccolo's method of flight instead of bukujutsu, since otherwise Videl probably wouldn't be able to fly so well without getting worn out...
I know he doesn't actually fight or do much of anything in the movie, but does he at least fly or something? I honestly can't remember if we ever see him fly. If he can, that would at least point toward him being stronger than Mr. Satan or something, and probably above most (if not all) of the early/mid-Dragonball fighters, since we know that flying (with bukujutsu, anyway) wasn't usable for long periods of time at those lower levels and even Goku at the beginning of Z didn't like flying much because it wore him out too quickly. I guess Gohan must have picked up Piccolo's method of flight instead of bukujutsu, since otherwise Videl probably wouldn't be able to fly so well without getting worn out...
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Re: Tapion's power level
But if it was Hildegarn's ki, wouldn't Goku & co. notice that it's an evil ki? Because remember, ki doesn't reflect only one's power, it also reflects things like his personality and his intentions.Kaboom wrote:Goku does remark that he feels an "incredible ki" when Tapion is being released from the music box... but when you think about it, is that Tapion's ki he's feeling, or Hildegarn's?
James Teal (Animerica 1996) wrote:When you think about it, there are a number of similarities between the Chinese-inspired Son Goku and that most American of superhero icons, Superman. Both are aliens sent to Earth shortly after birth to escape the destruction of their homeworlds; both possess super-strength, flight, super-speed, heightened senses and the ability to cast energy blasts. But the crucial difference between them lies not only in how they view the world, but in how the world views them.
Superman is, and always has been, a symbol for truth, justice, and upstanding moral fortitude–a role model and leader as much as a fighter. The more down-to-earth Goku has no illusions about being responsible for maintaining social order, or for setting some kind of moral example for the entire world. Goku is simply a martial artist who’s devoted his life toward perfecting his fighting skills and other abilities. Though never shy about risking his life to save either one person or the entire world, he just doesn’t believe that the balance of the world rests in any way on his shoulders, and he has no need to shape any part of it in his image. Goku is an idealist, and believes that there is some good in everyone, but he is unconcerned with the big picture of the world…unless it has to do with some kind of fight. Politics, society, law and order don’t have much bearing on his life, but he’s a man who knows right from wrong.
Re: Tapion's power level
Interesting...I gave him a BP of 1,100,000. Hmm. Gives me much to ponder upon.TheMightyOzaru wrote:I gave him a BP of 1,000,000.
I think that 40,000 is unfair, and that 40,050 is much more fair.FoolsGil wrote:40,000 is a fair pl for a character like Tapion.
On topic, as said previously in this thread, he doesn't have much feats to even be able to gauge his strength.
And it doesn't matter much in the end, since his role in the movie wasn't the one of a fighter.
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Re: Tapion's power level
Tapion has no feats. I don't have to explain jack because of that. I gave him a BP of 1,000,000 because that's where I felt like putting him.Godo wrote:Interesting...I gave him a BP of 1,100,000. Hmm. Gives me much to ponder upon.TheMightyOzaru wrote:I gave him a BP of 1,000,000.
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Re: Tapion's power level
I didn't ask you to explain anything.TheMightyOzaru wrote:Tapion has no feats. I don't have to explain jack because of that. I gave him a BP of 1,000,000 because that's where I felt like putting him.Godo wrote:Interesting...I gave him a BP of 1,100,000. Hmm. Gives me much to ponder upon.TheMightyOzaru wrote:I gave him a BP of 1,000,000.
Also, if you actually read other people's posts instead of spamming "I have X at the BP of Y" in every single power-related posts, you'd see that in the same post of mine that contained the quote, I had already agreed with Tapion having no feats to gauge anything upon (leading thus to any power level mentioned being able to be a possibility), including (at least) one other member.
What do you think about my number, though? The 1,100,000 one I put Tapion at.
I would really like an answer, since it seems like it is an acceptable way to answer a strength-related question.
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Re: Tapion's power level
Damn calm down. Seems like you had a little fit there. I agree with Godo. I have him in the middle or early 1 millions. Seems fitting due to Goku complimenting his Ki.TheMightyOzaru wrote:Tapion has no feats. I don't have to explain jack because of that. I gave him a BP of 1,000,000 because that's where I felt like putting him.Godo wrote:Interesting...I gave him a BP of 1,100,000. Hmm. Gives me much to ponder upon.TheMightyOzaru wrote:I gave him a BP of 1,000,000.
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Re: Tapion's power level
Since this thread is asking for Tapion's power level, it's a perfectly appropriate response.Godo wrote:.What do you think about my number, though? The 1,100,000 one I put Tapion at.
I would really like an answer, since it seems like it is an acceptable way to answer a strength-related question.
I'm not angry....TheGmGoken wrote:Damn calm down.
.Vegeta: "Funny... I seem to recall Kakarot being fed the same information right before he transformed; the distinct look on your faces when he went Super Saiyan didn't exactly inspire confidence. One does not predict or calculate power like ours."
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Re: Tapion's power level
TheMightyOzaru wrote:I'm not angry....TheGmGoken wrote:Damn calm down.
That kinda lead to think you was throwing a little fit. But please let's not derail the topic with "I wasn't angry" and "You seemed angry to me" debate.Tapion has no feats. I don't have to explain jack because of that. I gave him a BP of 1,000,000 because that's where I felt like putting him.
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Well I wasn't. Saying I don't have to say jack doesn't inherently imply that I'm angry, but yes no need for an argument.
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Re: Tapion's power level
Tapion ~ Base Goku IMO
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Yeah, but what do you think about my 1,100,000 then.TheMightyOzaru wrote:Since this thread is asking for Tapion's power level, it's a perfectly appropriate response.Godo wrote:.What do you think about my number, though? The 1,100,000 one I put Tapion at.
I would really like an answer, since it seems like it is an acceptable way to answer a strength-related question.
I want to have a discussion rather than reading "I have X at Y THE END NO MORE CLARIFICATION" comments.