Is Pan stronger than Gohan, Goten, and Trunks?

[cesarcoronel07]

I've heard rumors that she is stronger than the 3 of them since they stopped training and they have become weak. What do you guys think? Is this true?

[Saiga]

Really doubt it. Are you talking about the end of Z, or GT, by the way? Z filler has her beat up Goten but whether he was serious or not isn't certain. Either way she'd certainly be weaker than Gohan who still has the whole Ultimate schtick.

In GT, Goten mocks her for being weaker than him, which would make her weaker than Trunks and Gohan as well. Trunks does wonder at one point if she's stronger than him because she knocked down Rilld, but Rilld might've been faking it since he was completely fine after that. She was certainly weaker than Goten when she left Earth, and might've become stronger during the space adventures. She's never done anything to prove it, however.

[TheMightyOzaru]

I think she has the potential to be stronger than them. Her base already surpasses that of Goten's and Trunks' base forms.

[cesarcoronel07]

Really doubt it. Are you talking about the end of Z, or GT, by the way? Z filler has her beat up Goten but whether he was serious or not isn't certain. Either way she'd certainly be weaker than Gohan who still has the whole Ultimate schtick.

In GT, Goten mocks her for being weaker than him, which would make her weaker than Trunks and Gohan as well. Trunks does wonder at one point if she's stronger than him because she knocked down Rilld, but Rilld might've been faking it since he was completely fine after that. She was certainly weaker than Goten when she left Earth, and might've become stronger during the space adventures. She's never done anything to prove it, however.

I'm talking about GT Pan and yeah General Rildo could have been faking it, but she also attacked him a second time when Goku was fighting him.

[TheGmGoken]

Pan is not stronger than Gohan. That's for sure. Goten and Trunks perhaps not since Goten mocked her for being weaker(As stated above). Though her time in space improved her fighting skills greatly. But I still have Goten and Trunks being stronger. Pan COULD become stronger than them(Every character can surpass another character if given the right training. And you're a Saiyan perhaps) with the right training and anger(If she's anything like Gohan and the stereotypical woman).

[DBZGTKOSDH]

The only thing we have about Pan is that she is a lot stronger than Dr. Gero, who is below any Super Saiyan IMO. Also, it is stated that Gohan didn't neglect his training before GT, and Goten & Trunks told Goku that they will train, when Goku left with Oob. However, she does have the potential and the spirit to surpass them, and even Goku & Vegeta, one day IMO.

[KentalSSJ6]

The only thing we have about Pan is that she is a lot stronger than Dr. Gero, who is below any Super Saiyan IMO. Also, it is stated that Gohan didn't neglect his training before GT, and Goten & Trunks told Goku that they will train, when Goku left with Oob. However, she does have the potential and the spirit to surpass them, and even Goku & Vegeta, one day IMO.

That would be a nice way to continue Dragonball after GT. Show Pan and Uub in their early adulthood working together protecting the earth. I mean we go from Pan being a preteen to being a old grandma. Theres tons of stuff that could fill that gap.

[Blade]

The only thing we have about Pan is that she is a lot stronger than Dr. Gero, who is below any Super Saiyan IMO. Also, it is stated that Gohan didn't neglect his training before GT, and Goten & Trunks told Goku that they will train, when Goku left with Oob. However, she does have the potential and the spirit to surpass them, and even Goku & Vegeta, one day IMO.

That would be a nice way to continue Dragonball after GT. Show Pan and Uub in their early adulthood working together protecting the earth. I mean we go from Pan being a preteen to being a old grandma. Theres tons of stuff that could fill that gap.

Or from the perspective of the GT writers: nothing to fill the gap - as Goku, the only character they were interested in writing for, was written out of the story.

[Marco Polo]

Or from the perspective of the GT writers: nothing to fill the gap - as Goku, the only character they were interested in writing for, was written out of the story.

Moreover, the World Martial Arts Tournament in Goku Jr.'s era has a statue of the hero Goku, whereas no one seems to know Pan.

[MDSTSSJ]

The only thing we have about Pan is that she is a lot stronger than Dr. Gero, who is below any Super Saiyan IMO. Also, it is stated that Gohan didn't neglect his training before GT, and Goten & Trunks told Goku that they will train, when Goku left with Oob. However, she does have the potential and the spirit to surpass them, and even Goku & Vegeta, one day IMO.

Pan have the spirit but never in his or another life will surpass Gohan, Goten, Trunks and even less Goku or Vegeta. Even if they stop training.

Pan is the daughter of a half Saiyan who is married to a human so the potential has dropped considerably. However, she will always be much stronger than a normal human.

[Kamiccolo9]

The only thing we have about Pan is that she is a lot stronger than Dr. Gero, who is below any Super Saiyan IMO. Also, it is stated that Gohan didn't neglect his training before GT, and Goten & Trunks told Goku that they will train, when Goku left with Oob. However, she does have the potential and the spirit to surpass them, and even Goku & Vegeta, one day IMO.

Pan have the spirit but never in his or another life will surpass Gohan, Goten, Trunks and even less Goku or Vegeta. Even if they stop training.

Pan is the daughter of a half Saiyan who is married to a human so the potential has dropped considerably. However, she will always be much stronger than a normal human.

Who says she has lower potential than the othere?

[MDSTSSJ]

Who says she has lower potential than the othere?

Who says she has the potential TO SURPASS Gohan, Goten, Trunks or even Vegeta and Goku?

Guiding by my logic, Saiyan blood on Pan has been diluted enough to lose potential. At what measure? I could not tell exactly.

In this case for me is very hard and not conceivable to think that new generations descendants of Saiyans ( like Pan ) can be stronger than their parents or grandparents.

[DBZGTKOSDH]

Pan is the daughter of a half Saiyan who is married to a human so the potential has dropped considerably.

Where did you get that from?

Seriously, I'm tired of all these fan-theories that the Saiyan Halflings that have below 50% Saiyan blood are weaker, can't turn Super Saiyan, etc. These are baseless fan-theories that are contradicted by GT itself. Pan has shown very big power, and Goku Jr. (who is only 1/64th Saiyan) could transform into a Super Saiyan without doing any training, and even the Saiyan descendants from 100 years after Goku Jr.'s generation (in DBO) could still transform into Super Saiyans (although they need Shenlong to unlock the ability), and they would eventually surpass Piccolo & Future Trunks with Super Saiyan if DBO wasn't canceled, since one of them would defeat Mira in the end, who is stronger than them.

Who says she has the potential TO SURPASS Gohan, Goten, Trunks or even Vegeta and Goku?

GT Perfect Files suggest that the Saiyan children inherit their father's strength, so Pan should have as much dormant power as Gohan had, if not greater, since Earthling blood boosts the Saiyans' power.

[Godo]

Who says she has lower potential than the othere?

Who says she has the potential TO SURPASS Gohan, Goten, Trunks or even Vegeta and Goku?

Guiding by my logic, Saiyan blood on Pan has been diluted enough to lose potential. At what measure? I could not tell exactly.

In this case for me is very hard and not conceivable to think that new generations descendants of Saiyans ( like Pan ) can be stronger than their parents or grandparents.

Gohan's blood was diluted by 50%, which made him stronger and gave him more potential than Goku.
What if diluting Saiya-jin blood is that increases potential and makes an offspring stronger?
What you are saying pretty confidently can easily be thrown around.

I realize that it is hard and inconcievable to imagine something when it is based upon nothing but how you want things to be, rather than a humble approach with facts and acceptance about other possibilities...

[Cursed Lemon]

It's 100% true that watering down saiyan blood with human blood has produced some prodigiously strong characters.

It's also 100% true that it makes absolutely no sense whatsoever, given that saiyans are kind of the warrior race out of the two.

[MDSTSSJ]

Pan is the daughter of a half Saiyan who is married to a human so the potential has dropped considerably.

Where did you get that from?

From nowhere!! Is my personal opinion!

Seriously, I'm tired of all these fan-theories that the Saiyan Halflings that have below 50% Saiyan blood are weaker, can't turn Super Saiyan, etc. These are baseless fan-theories that are contradicted by GT itself. Pan has shown very big power, and Goku Jr. (who is only 1/64th Saiyan) could transform into a Super Saiyan without doing any training, and even the Saiyan descendants from 100 years after Goku Jr.'s generation (in DBO) could still transform into Super Saiyans (although they need Shenlong to unlock the ability), and they would eventually surpass Piccolo & Future Trunks with Super Saiyan if DBO wasn't canceled, since one of them would defeat Mira in the end, who is stronger than them.

I never say or suggest that Saiyan Halflings that have below 50% Saiyan blood are weaker but it is quite conceivable that having less Saiyan blood, the potential goes down slowly in Pan's case.

I'm not tired of your very good opinions but sometimes I think you are well closed minded or you think the DB Guides and others books never are wrong or what is writing there is not debatable.

GT Perfect Files suggest that the Saiyan children inherit their father's strength, so Pan should have as much dormant power as Gohan had, if not greater, since Earthling blood boosts the Saiyans' power.

For me no make any sense and is debatable according to what I said above!!

[MDSTSSJ]

Gohan's blood was diluted by 50%, which made him stronger and gave him more potential than Goku.
What if diluting Saiya-jin blood is that increases potential and makes an offspring stronger?
What you are saying pretty confidently can easily be thrown around.

I think only in the Gohan's case because his profile states that he have more potential than a pure Saiyan. If I remember correctly, is not stated that the others Halflings ( Goten, Trunks, Pan, etc ) have more potential than a pure Saiyan.

I realize that it is hard and inconcievable to imagine something when it is based upon nothing but how you want things to be, rather than a humble approach with facts and acceptance about other possibilities...

It's not how I want things to be, is just my personal opinion and I never said that is a 100% fact, is a possibility for me.

The thing is that English is not my native language and is normal that people here often misunderstand me!

[DBZGTKOSDH]

sometimes I think you are well closed minded or you think the DB Guides and others books never are wrong or what is writing there is not debatable.

I only disregard what is contradicted by the manga. Otherwise, nothing is debatable, it is what it is, because official statements >>>>>> fan opinions.

[Bierhoff]

By the end of GT, due to importance, she is at least stronger than Goten and Trunks, even when they are in SSjin form.

[DBZGTKOSDH]

By the end of GT, due to importance, she is at least stronger than Goten and Trunks, even when they are in SSjin form.

That makes no sense. By that logic, Bulma is stronger than Kame-sennin during the Son Goku arc because she was more important.