Should Beerus replace Vegeta as Goku's rival?

Bullza · Post by **Bullza** » Sat Nov 23, 2013 2:37 am

This is a hypothetical question but if Toriyama did a new manga series following Battle of Gods or there was just another anime or a movie each year that continued the story then how would you feel if Bills was to replace Vegeta in the role of being Goku's rival?

Tien was briefly Goku's rival in Dragon Ball until the more popular Piccolo Jr came along at which point both he and Goku had far surpassed Tien so he became Goku's rival. That also only lasted briefly aswell until Vegeta came about and from the end of the Saiyan saga throughout the rest of DBZ Vegeta remained as Goku's rival.

However during Goku's fight with Kid Buu Vegeta confessed that Goku was better than he was which sort of put an end to it. Now with the new movie Goku is not one but two transformations above Vegeta. Vegeta had a little rage boost for a moment that put him above SSJ3 Goku but that shouldn't have been a permanent thing so he should be nothing compared to Goku now.

Then you have Bills who isn't completely evil and still remains above Goku in strenght. It seems in his nature to be Goku's future rival due to wanting to fight strong opponents and test himself.

Is it time for Vegeta to step aside and let Bills take over his role? Or should it continue to stick with Vegeta?

I don't know about anyone else but I'd rather Vegeta not become a Super Saiyan God and at best become a Super Saiyan 3. Him constantly playing catchup only to in the end be one step behind Goku has been played out long enough I think.

Chuquita · Post by **Chuquita** » Sat Nov 23, 2013 3:45 am

While I do enjoy the whole "the prince and his peasant" aspect of Vegeta and Goku's rivalry (along with how entertaining Vegeta's obsession with it can be sometimes) a Beers and Goku rivalry would potentially give me more fun moments of "Goku attempts to act and speak politely only to have it end up sounding awkwardly adorable, desu." I'd be up for that. XD

penguintruth · Post by **penguintruth** » Sat Nov 23, 2013 6:53 am

Can we really say that Vegeta is still Goku's rival?

Post by **SaiyaJedi** » Sat Nov 23, 2013 6:55 am

Bills have always been Goku's rival in a way, haven't they? I mean, he's never exactly held a job.

Also, isn't this better suited to the In-Universe forum? Moving.

TheGmGoken · Post by **TheGmGoken** » Sat Nov 23, 2013 7:34 am

Hell no. Out of all of Goku rivals Vegeta lasted longer. Goku abd Vegeta are ultra competitive to each other. Birsu while strong and want a great fight....is lazy and to similar to Goku and Boo which makes it boring. Opposite attraction.

DBZGTKOSDH · Post by **DBZGTKOSDH** » Sat Nov 23, 2013 9:09 am

Beers seems to be a rival to Goku, but he isn't THE rival of Goku. Vegeta owns that spot.

Marco Polo · Post by **Marco Polo** » Sat Nov 23, 2013 9:20 am

Vegeta is still Goku's rival in the Uub arc, years after Battle of Gods.

Bullza · Post by **Bullza** » Sat Nov 23, 2013 12:38 pm

TheGmGoken wrote:Hell no. Out of all of Goku rivals Vegeta lasted longer. Goku abd Vegeta are ultra competitive to each other. Birsu while strong and want a great fight....is lazy and to similar to Goku and Boo which makes it boring. Opposite attraction.

Vegeta may have lasted the longest but where else could they possibly take it. From when they became rivals it had always been a matter of Vegeta catching up to Goku only to end up still being one step behind.

Do we really need to see Vegeta turn Super Saiyan God only for then Goku to bust out Super Saiyan Ultra God? It'd just be taking the story in circles. Vegeta already admitted Goku was better than him which ended the rivalry to me.

Vegeta is weak now compared to Goku. If Bills is a 10 and Goku is a 6 then Vegeta isn't even a 1.

TheMightyOzaru · Post by **TheMightyOzaru** » Sat Nov 23, 2013 12:41 pm

You know Goku can have 2 rivals right? There's no need to replace Vegeta. Beerus also isn't much of a rival with him being a good deal superior. Vegeta and Goku are equals despite SSJ3.

dbzfan7 · Post by **dbzfan7** » Sat Nov 23, 2013 12:43 pm

It feels kind of wrong to have Vegeta not be Goku's main rival. Birus can be a rival to Goku though....Hell to be honest if Vegeta is no longer Goku's rival, he'd be right next to Gohan, Piccolo, the boys, and the humans in the not significant anymore department.

PolatGuy92 · Post by **PolatGuy92** » Sat Nov 23, 2013 3:37 pm

For me Vegeta should be Goku's true rival since they both are saiyans and love to fight also there rivalry is not kinda angry anymore but more friendly. Beerus could be a good rival but Vegeta suited more for that part.

TheGmGoken · Post by **TheGmGoken** » Sat Nov 23, 2013 7:47 pm

Bullza wrote:
TheGmGoken wrote:Hell no. Out of all of Goku rivals Vegeta lasted longer. Goku abd Vegeta are ultra competitive to each other. Birsu while strong and want a great fight....is lazy and to similar to Goku and Boo which makes it boring. Opposite attraction.
Vegeta may have lasted the longest but where else could they possibly take it. From when they became rivals it had always been a matter of Vegeta catching up to Goku only to end up still being one step behind.

Do we really need to see Vegeta turn Super Saiyan God only for then Goku to bust out Super Saiyan Ultra God? It'd just be taking the story in circles. Vegeta already admitted Goku was better than him which ended the rivalry to me.

Vegeta is weak now compared to Goku. If Bills is a 10 and Goku is a 6 then Vegeta isn't even a 1.

The rivalry never ended. Vegeta just respected Goku. You can have respectful rivalries. Vegeta still want to be at least be on Goku's level. Birsu is ALWAYS sleep(3 years) but Vegeta is always there for Goku to spar with. Hell it doesn't matter if Vegeta is too weak. Goku took Oob with him. Since Goku kept his God powers. There is NO WAY Oob is going to be on Super Saiyan God's power scale(That would make Oob stronger than Vegetto and depending on how strong Goku gets..then Oob would be stronger than Birsu). So I'm sure Goku don't mind a weaker person to fight. As long as it is not BORING.

Polyphase Avatron · Post by **Polyphase Avatron** » Sat Nov 23, 2013 7:49 pm

Bills is awesome but Vegeta is the classic rival.

Bullza · Post by **Bullza** » Sat Nov 23, 2013 8:35 pm

TheMightyOzaru wrote:You know Goku can have 2 rivals right? There's no need to replace Vegeta. Beerus also isn't much of a rival with him being a good deal superior. Vegeta and Goku are equals despite SSJ3.

Well Tien was probably still Goku's rival by the time Piccolo Jr was but I'm talking about a primary rival. Bills being superior is why he'd make a good rival, it'd be someone for Goku to catch up to and Bills not wanting it to happen.

Vegeta and Goku may be equals from base to SSJ2 but then with Goku's SSJ3 and now the SSJ God he makes Vegeta look like Krillin. Vegeta would need to obtain the same forms to catch up and I'd feel that would make the story repetitive as it'd been done. Vegeta is only ever going to play catch up and at least with Bills it'd be Goku playing catch up and unlike Vegeta would actually surpass his rival one day which would make it more interesting.

Goku's never had a rival stronger than himself.

TheGmGoken · Post by **TheGmGoken** » Sat Nov 23, 2013 8:39 pm

Bullza wrote:
TheMightyOzaru wrote:You know Goku can have 2 rivals right? There's no need to replace Vegeta. Beerus also isn't much of a rival with him being a good deal superior. Vegeta and Goku are equals despite SSJ3.
Well Tenshinhan was probably still Goku's rival by the time Piccolo Jr was but I'm talking about a primary rival. Bills being superior is why he'd make a good rival, it'd be someone for Goku to catch up to and Bills not wanting it to happen.

Vegeta and Goku may be equals from base to SSJ2 but then with Goku's SSJ3 and now the SSJ God he makes Vegeta look like Krillin. Vegeta would need to obtain the same forms to catch up and I'd feel that would make the story repetitive as it'd been done. Vegeta is only ever going to play catch up and at least with Bills it'd be Goku playing catch up and unlike Vegeta would actually surpass his rival one day which would make it more interesting.

Goku's never had a rival stronger than himself.

Vegeta and Piccolo says hi.

Bullza · Post by **Bullza** » Sat Nov 23, 2013 11:13 pm

Neither of them were stronger than Goku when they first became rivals. Piccolo was about equal to Goku and Vegeta was inferior when you take Goku's Kaioken into account (not gonna include the Oozaru into it as it was never seen again).

Sure they surpassed him at certain points but that's not what I mean. After they fought it was the others that were trying to surpass Goku not the other way around.

Goku fought Bills and was clearly weaker than him, he would be the only trying to catch up for a change.

TheGmGoken · Post by **TheGmGoken** » Sat Nov 23, 2013 11:23 pm

Bullza wrote:Neither of them were stronger than Goku when they first became rivals. Piccolo was about equal to Goku and Vegeta was inferior when you take Goku's Kaioken into account (not gonna include the Oozaru into it as it was never seen again).

After they fought it was the others that were trying to surpass Goku not the other way around.

he would be the only trying to catch up for a change.

1. Vegeta and Piccolo both surpassed Goku many times. Goku trained in the ROSAT and surpass them. Also Piccolo is stronger than base Goku so in a way Piccolo is still stronger than Goku. Also Vegeta would have won had Gohan not went Oozaru himself. So Vegeta was still superior as Kaioken Goku could't finish the job as it made Goku take more damage than damage dealt to Vegeta

2. If we take filler into account then Goku had to play catch-up with Pikkon. Goku had to play catch up to Jackie Chun.

sintzu · Post by **sintzu** » Sun Nov 24, 2013 6:29 am

Bullza wrote:
TheMightyOzaru wrote:You know Goku can have 2 rivals right? There's no need to replace Vegeta. Beerus also isn't much of a rival with him being a good deal superior. Vegeta and Goku are equals despite SSJ3.

Vegeta and Goku may be equals from base to SSJ2 but then with Goku's SSJ3 and now the SSJ God he makes Vegeta look like Krillin.

any saiyan can becom ssj god so that's not a problim for him and for ssj3 he probably reached it in the 10 year time skip for 2 reasons :

1- it's vegeta and there's no way he would rest before reaching it

2- in the kanzenban ending he says he will show Goku defeat sooner or later wich would be imposible with ssj2

Kakarot88 · Post by **Kakarot88** » Sun Nov 24, 2013 8:09 am

I see Beerus as being better suited for being a common enemy or goal for Vegeta and Goku to train to overcome independently or together. I'd love to see some sparring between the two and after such a movie the camaraderie dissolved into them being even and Goku and Vegeta plan on an epic rematch only to be interrupted by another super power... I give you the Buu arc 2.0.

Or have another super villain or inter universe tournament be held where each universe gets to send 3 fights and for some reason Whis cannot compete and so he trains Goku, Beerus and Vegeta...get some Muten Roshi training Goku and Kuririn throw back stuff

Bullza · Post by **Bullza** » Sun Nov 24, 2013 1:35 pm

1. Vegeta and Piccolo both surpassed Goku many times. Goku trained in the ROSAT and surpass them.

I just mentioned that. Goku was in the middle of training to surpass them half the time they had pulled infront. I'm talking about from when the rivalry started, Goku was already infront of Tien, Piccolo and Vegeta it wouldn't be like with Bills where he would actually be far behind for once.

Also Piccolo is stronger than base Goku so in a way Piccolo is still stronger than Goku.

No not really, he's stronger than Goku in his weakest form and then weaker in Goku's second weakest form.

Also Vegeta would have won had Gohan not went Oozaru himself. So Vegeta was still superior as Kaioken Goku could't finish the job as it made Goku take more damage than damage dealt to Vegeta.

That's true but I said I wasn't including the Oozaru because it was never seen again. If Vegeta hadn't turned into the Oozaru then Goku would have won.

2. If we take filler into account then Goku had to play catch-up with Paikuhan. Goku had to play catch up to Jackie Chun.

Which we won't.

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