Why does Videl seem stronger in the movies?

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Why does Videl seem stronger in the movies?

Post by cesarcoronel07 » Sat Nov 30, 2013 6:30 am

Like for example in movie 10, how in the world was she able to survive against Broly SSJ ? Also in movie 13, she survived Hirudegarn's flame! So why did they make her stronger in the movies?

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Re: Why does Videl seem stronger in the movies?

Post by DBZGTKOSDH » Sat Nov 30, 2013 7:00 am

She wasn't stronger, it was Broli's & Hildegarn's attacks that weren't strong, just like Mr. Satan survived hits from Pure Boo & Perfect Cell. Besides, she was KOed after those hits, wasn't she?
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Re: Why does Videl seem stronger in the movies?

Post by Polyphase Avatron » Sat Nov 30, 2013 8:25 am

Because killing off characters in a movie is a bad idea without Toriyama's permission.
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Re: Why does Videl seem stronger in the movies?

Post by MagicBox » Sat Nov 30, 2013 11:33 am

I'm just going to make the (safe) assumption that Takao Koyama wrote movies 10 and 13?

He probably really liked Videl as a character and wanted to feature her, but wasn't allowed* to kill her off. Thus, she can take some significant damage from the bad guys.

* I say "allowed" loosely. I mean, I bet he could have killed her if he wanted, but as I said, he probably liked her.
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Re: Why does Videl seem stronger in the movies?

Post by Black_Anime_Fan » Sat Nov 30, 2013 12:27 pm

Hm, funny, I always thought that Videl seemed weaker/less important in Movies 10-13, probably just me though.
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Re: Why does Videl seem stronger in the movies?

Post by TheGmGoken » Sat Nov 30, 2013 12:47 pm

She seemed stronger :eh: ? She seemed just the right power to me. I mean( I know he's gag) if Satan can survive a hit from Pure Boo and Cell, I think Videl can take ONE hit from SSJ Broly who was most likely just toying around. Her living through fire. Maybe SaiyaWoman suit is fireproof to a degree or She just didn't die. I mean I doubt they would KILL Videl in a movie.

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Re: Why does Videl seem stronger in the movies?

Post by Hellspawn28 » Sat Nov 30, 2013 1:12 pm

None every attack that the characters uses are super strong. Broli was likely not trying to kill Videl which is why she tank the attack.
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Re: Why does Videl seem stronger in the movies?

Post by Gyt Kaliba » Sat Nov 30, 2013 4:12 pm

I dunno, when has Broly ever been showcased as the kind of guy who holds back? Especially post movie 8 where he's...not...exactly as bright as he was before.

Though, he had also just come out of a coma while frozen in the ice, so maybe his strength wasn't as high as it naturally should have been.
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Re: Why does Videl seem stronger in the movies?

Post by TheGmGoken » Sat Nov 30, 2013 4:42 pm

Gyt Kaliba wrote:I dunno, when has Broly ever been showcased as the kind of guy who holds back? Especially post movie 8 where he's...not...exactly as bright as he was before.

Though, he had also just come out of a coma while frozen in the ice, so maybe his strength wasn't as high as it naturally should have been.
Well Broly could easily just toy around with them. I mean didn't he do that in movie eight? Until the end. He might not be intelligent but he still fight like a saiyan

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Re: Why does Videl seem stronger in the movies?

Post by Cold Skin » Sat Nov 30, 2013 8:55 pm

It is because Broly doesn't attack with his full strength, which is a huge concept mistake in movie 10: part of Broly's initial and unique concept in movie 8 is that he is a psychopath who doesn't hold back (which is clearly stated and Goku is clearly not used to that kind of enemy behavior) and doesn't care about a good fight unlike all other villains in Dragon Ball (who will test their opponent, gradually increase their strength, hurt them step by step to make them realize who's the boss and how they're about to helplessly die, have mid-fight banter...). He cares about killing everyone as quickly and violently as possible, effectively putting every warrior at death's door in just a few minutes twice in a row. The concept behind his abnormally bulky "Legendary" appearance conveys the same feeling of "everything for brutal strength beyond limits, just the humanoid representation of senseless, raging, relentless and painful violence".

That concept was ruined when he came back and became someone who spends time in his normal Super Saiyan form to play around with the kids, instead of turning immediately "Legendary" and trying to kill every single person and destroy every single thing to get his kicks. Broly was a good one-time concept specifically because he doesn't play around and relentlessly and violently chases one victim after another at full power to try and kill them quickly.
Instead of looking completely crazy and dangerous, Broly just looks dumb or even mentally challenged once he comes back. He should have stayed a one-time occurence in movie 8 to begin with, since the concept of the character himself is nice but limited and fully explored in one movie.

So yeah, in movie 10, it's not Videl who's abnormally strong, it's Broly who's abnormally weak. In other movies, I didn't notice any kind of discrepancy in Videl's strength or defense, she always seemed like what I expected from her.

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Re: Why does Videl seem stronger in the movies?

Post by Saiga » Sun Dec 01, 2013 12:30 am

Hirudegarn and Broli simply have no reason to hold back against her, so I don't buy that excuse. The difference in strength is so great, that to avoid killing her they'd need to put an actual effort into restraining their blows. It's not a matter of them not using their full power but actively not using what their "effortless" power would be, instead going below even that.
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Re: Why does Videl seem stronger in the movies?

Post by TheGmGoken » Sun Dec 01, 2013 12:44 am

Saiga wrote: Broli simply have no reason to hold back against her, so I don't buy that excuse. The difference in strength is so great, that to avoid killing her they'd need to put an actual effort into restraining their blows. It's not a matter of them not using their full power but actively not using what their "effortless" power would be, instead going below even that.
Broly in movie 10 is different from Broly in Movie8. Broly wanted to toy with Videl. The difference in power doesn't matter as it's been proven that holding back WONT kill the person(Power gaps are stupid anyways). Broly toyed with Videl and she didn't die.

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Re: Why does Videl seem stronger in the movies?

Post by Saiga » Sun Dec 01, 2013 12:49 am

TheGmGoken wrote:
Saiga wrote: Broli simply have no reason to hold back against her, so I don't buy that excuse. The difference in strength is so great, that to avoid killing her they'd need to put an actual effort into restraining their blows. It's not a matter of them not using their full power but actively not using what their "effortless" power would be, instead going below even that.
Broly in movie 10 is different from Broly in Movie8. Broly wanted to toy with Videl. The difference in power doesn't matter as it's been proven that holding back WONT kill the person(Power gaps are stupid anyways). Broly toyed with Videl and she didn't die.
It does matter because the bigger the difference in strength, the less serious you need to be to kill someone. And Videl is a regular human, for the most part. A Super Saiyan would need to hold back to avoid killing a regular human, and Broli simply has no reason to do so.
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Re: Why does Videl seem stronger in the movies?

Post by TheGmGoken » Sun Dec 01, 2013 1:19 am

Saiga wrote:
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Saiga wrote: Broli simply have no reason to hold back against her, so I don't buy that excuse. The difference in strength is so great, that to avoid killing her they'd need to put an actual effort into restraining their blows. It's not a matter of them not using their full power but actively not using what their "effortless" power would be, instead going below even that.
Broly in movie 10 is different from Broly in Movie8. Broly wanted to toy with Videl. The difference in power doesn't matter as it's been proven that holding back WONT kill the person(Power gaps are stupid anyways). Broly toyed with Videl and she didn't die.
It does matter because the bigger the difference in strength, the less serious you need to be to kill someone. And Videl is a regular human, for the most part. A Super Saiyan would need to hold back to avoid killing a regular human, and Broli simply has no reason to do so.
Broly wanted to toy with his prey. This isn't the same Broly from Movie 8. Remember he only acted that way because of Kakarot being there. Even still he toyed with Goten and Trunks(Though Goten looks like Kakarot so why he toyed with them) despite Goten looking like Goku. The moment he shall Goten he should have went LSSJ( No one is stopping him) and kick ass.

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Re: Why does Videl seem stronger in the movies?

Post by The Monkey King » Sun Dec 01, 2013 1:30 am

DBZGTKOSDH wrote:She wasn't stronger, it was Broli's & Hildegarn's attacks that weren't strong, just like Mr. Satan survived hits from Pure Boo & Perfect Cell. Besides, she was KOed after those hits, wasn't she?
Mr. Satan is protected by a gag shield.
There's no real excuse for Videl not to be eviserated by a punch from a crazy super saiyan.

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Post by Jackal puFF » Sun Dec 01, 2013 3:02 am

TheGmGoken wrote:
Saiga wrote: Broli simply have no reason to hold back against her, so I don't buy that excuse. The difference in strength is so great, that to avoid killing her they'd need to put an actual effort into restraining their blows. It's not a matter of them not using their full power but actively not using what their "effortless" power would be, instead going below even that.
Broly in movie 10 is different from Broly in Movie8. Broly wanted to toy with Videl. The difference in power doesn't matter as it's been proven that holding back WONT kill the person(Power gaps are stupid anyways). Broly toyed with Videl and she didn't die.
Yeah, really the only explanation for that one. Maybe he was planning to do something with her after....

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Re: Why does Videl seem stronger in the movies?

Post by SaiyaJedi » Sun Dec 01, 2013 3:28 am

Not sure about Videl's "strength" as-such, but this is what the scriptwriter had to say about her being included at all:
Dragon Box The Movies Dragon Book wrote:Q: Why was Videl picked to chaperone Goten and Trunks in The Dangerous Duo!! […] ?

A: This was a matter of balance. Rather than just Goten and Trunks, having a girl involved would make dialogue between the characters livelier, and the story would be easier to create. So, for the purposes of the story setting, the dart fell right on Goten and his rival-in-training, Videl.

Also, with just the two kids, Goten and Trunks, they'd almost certainly be goofing off the whole time, and the story wouldn't go anywhere. (laughs) So, by adding Videl, who is like a sister to the pair, I got her to pull the story forward. Plus, it was nice how, thanks to Videl having Satan as a father, it was easy for me to use him as I pleased. Satan, whose bad luck seems unusually strong, was a character I prized for his ease-of-use in developing the story.
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Re: Why does Videl seem stronger in the movies?

Post by TheOverlyMadHatter » Sun Dec 01, 2013 3:56 am

Dragon Box The Movies Dragon Book wrote: Satan, whose bad luck seems unusually strong, was a character I prized for his ease-of-use in developing the story.
This may be off-topic, but "bad luck"?! He's the character that survived everything!! Every other mortal character died at least once...

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Re: Why does Videl seem stronger in the movies?

Post by DBZGTKOSDH » Sun Dec 01, 2013 10:11 am

Broli didn't look like he wanted to kill them immediately, he wanted to torture them first. If he wanted to kill, he would have killed everyone.
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Re: Why does Videl seem stronger in the movies?

Post by TTC817 » Sun Dec 01, 2013 12:52 pm

Because Akira Toriyama did not make the movies. And therefore, liberties are taken. Remember in movie 2, Master Roshi puts up a good fight against those Bio Warriors, which Goku needed Kaio-Ken to do (even though Roshi's power is supposed to be a mere 139?) This is just another instance of that.

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