Discussion regarding the entirety of the franchise in a general (meta) sense, including such aspects as: production, trends, merchandise, fan culture, and more.
Format: Kai w/ Yamamoto [1-95] // 96-98 w/ Kikuchi // 99+ w/ Sumitomo Language: Japanese
A close friend of mine has taken it upon herself to get into the Dragon Ball franchise after being subjected to my endless praise of the show. I figured you guys might be interested in hearing her thoughts as she makes her way through the series!
Growing up on the Ocean/Westwood dub like myself, her experience with the series was very limited. Her brother was the primary fan and so she caught a bunch of episodes here and there without ever really taking the entire story in.
After talking to her about the inconsistencies and translation issues with the dub, she was very set on watching it in Japanese. Due to time constraints, she doesn't have the time to watch the entire series uncut so I've loaned her my copy of Dragon Ball Kai with Yamamoto's score up to episode 95 (a painstaking remux of the TV audio with the Kai blu-ray). I figured if she's going to watch Kai, she may as well watch it as it was meant to be seen rather than having the horribly placed Kikuchi score.
Once she finishes up to the end of the Cell arc, we're going to watch the Buu segment uncut so she'll be getting a taste of the original voice acting and score regardless. If she finds that to be preferable then it's her prerogative to rewatch the prior arcs in their original form. Ended up watching the Great Saiyaman arc in its original form but the Boo arc of Kai was announced and so we've opted for that instead.
So, without further ado, here are some snippets of her thoughts!
Spoiler:
"I had no idea the old man turtle hermit was such a pervert! He is so dirty! I don't remember him being like this at all"
I should preface this by saying that she is aware of the events of Dragon Ball but has never taken it upon herself to watch the series. It's no surprise then that, with only seeing Ocean's dub, she was totally unaware of Roshi's true nature. She found his perverted interactions absolutely hilarious and seems to be hoping that there'll be plenty more of his antics to come. I told her that if she finds him that funny then she should definitely head back and watch Dragon Ball since he is pretty damn tame in Z. She followed up by saying that she really likes that Bulma does come across as very intelligent despite her very girly nature.
"I love Gohan! He is definitely my favourite character, he's so damn cute! When he was stuck in the tree...the voice, the little noises he makes...just so good!"
She was so funny when she was talking about him. I think this best describes her reaction to anything Gohan related. She seems to really enjoy his rage boosts and the fact he's a 'little badass' despite coming across as very good natured and polite most of the time.
"Goku is so much more goofy. I remembered him being really heroic but he seems really different. Maybe he changes later?"
I actually love that she said this. I think it really sums up the differences between the English and original version of the show. She went on to say that she found his voice a little strange for the first few episodes but has grown to really, really like it now.
She said she found his training with Kaio-sama to be one of her favourite moments. The parts with him chasing Bubbles and Gregory were absolutely hilarious and all the puns that Kaio came up with had her in stitches.
"My favourite moment was probably when Vegeta kills Nappa. It's so intense, he is so ruthless!"
Interesting that she picked out that moment as one of her favourites. I guess it does define Vegeta's character prior to the battle with Goku.
"Wow, Goku let Vegeta live after all that! Can't believe how much he loves fighting"
And so ends her viewing of the Saiyan saga! Can't believe she watched all that in a day. That is some real dedication right there.
Namek:
Spoiler:
"Well, Gohan's hair is ruined! I liked it when it was all spiky."
The Gohan obsession continues as we move into the Namek arc. Despite the look change, she's happy that there's a greater focus on Gohan for this section. She commented on the change in Bulma compared to how she's portrayed in the Saiyan arc. She said she felt she went from 'fun but smart' to 'whiny, disruptive and annoying'. I can totally see that, I guess her charm is much more appealing when she's not actively involved with what the fighters are doing.
"I love that Vegeta is this weird bad/good guy at this point. I don't know if I should really like him or not"
She went on to talk about how she loved all the battle sequences where he fights Dodoria and Zarbon. She really liked that she was 'allowed' to root for Vegeta in a fight for once. Despite this though, she had her love of Vegeta tested when he ruthlessly massacred the Namekian village. "From badass to asshole, I can't keep up with his personality" were her words. I'm pretty on board with that opinion! I know that during my viewing I couldn't help but sit there and fall in love with the character despite all his atrocities.
"When Gohan's neck was snapped! Oh my god, I couldn't even. I was distraught."
Not gonna lie, I was secretly looking forward to her reaction to this. She literally paused the show and texted me 'NO NO NO NO NO, OH MY GOD'. She didn't even have to give me context, I knew exactly what she was referring to.
She said that she had never wanted to physically hurt a fictional character like that in her life. Despite her love of the Ginyu Special Squad and their silly antics, she was not about to forgive them for that one.
"The Namekian dragon! Why does he force them to make wishes in Namekian and yet respond in Japanese?!"
This did make me laugh. I'd never really thought about it before, I tend to let things like that slide under the suspension of disbelief. We pretty much settled on it being a fail safe to stop anyone but the Namekians abusing the Dragon Balls.
"Vegeta's death...I cried. That was just incredible. The speech...he BEGGED...and cried. Wow."
She seemed really upset by the Vegeta and Freeza fight prior to his death. Freeza using Vegeta as a punching bag wasn't the most comfortable watch for her, especially knowing the context of their relationship. How Freeza had used the Saiyans to do his bidding before betraying them (she watched the Bardock special). The speech seemed to really get to her - she said that seeing a character, who was so composed and proud, break down like that was just horrible. She genuinely shed tears at it.
I'm so glad she had this reaction. I won't lie, I definitely weeped manly tears at that section of the show.
She stopped here for the day as she wanted to watch all the Freeza fight in one sitting
BARDOCK SPECIAL THOUGHTS:
"It was really cool to see the difference between Goku and his dad. The Saiyans are so ruthless and just...horrible. I was quite surprised at how fast Freeza turned on the Saiyans after Bardock received his 'gift'. I think my favourite moment was when he's rushing through the sky to fight Freeza and all his men are trying to stop him. He just explodes with rage and flies through them. Also, his visions of Goku on Namek were really touching...that scream was just amazing.
I think seeing a young cocky Vegeta was really awesome. He's not really changed that much...but I guess it explains the way he is too.
To summarise: "Freeza is a gigantic cock""
Freeza:
Spoiler:
"You have no idea how long I waited for this! Freeza was really starting to get on my nerves. Poor Kuririn though!"
Moving into the fight now, arguably the most iconic of all the Dragon Ball major battles, she seemed pretty excited. I don't blame her, the build up can be pretty long and intense when you're waiting for such a big pay off. She said she wasn't quite as upset by Kuririn's death as she'd expected since he'd been destroyed so many times that it was almost a given. Although, I did forget to mention her reaction to his impaling earlier on! Oh man, she was mad but loved the entire scene. It was perhaps the first time she'd really commented on the score. I could only find an English dub example to showcase the music. So damn dramatic!
"Oh god, Goku turning Super Saiyan for the first time. That was terrifying and...amazing!"
I was waiting for her to comment on this moment for so long. It's such a landmark moment for the franchise and to experience it for the first time must have been awesome. She loved it! She said she was surprised at how angry and almost scary Goku was. Yelling at Gohan for the first time and seeming like he was losing control, she said it felt like such a dramatic change from the Goku she'd seen in all the past episodes.
"Fuck Freeza and his stupid energy discs! Goku gave him a chance and the idiot just kept fighting"
Couldn't help but laugh at this comment. She literally went on a rant about Freeza's attack for so long! She seemed so bothered by it and I don't even know why - she couldn't even explain it herself. Either way, she loved the fight overall and just how dark it all felt. Of course, she cheered when Freeza was sliced in half and that leads into the aforementioned quote. She was in two minds about it really: - on one hand, Goku is deciding the show mercy to someone who is almost quite literally the embodiment of evil and on the other, it does kinda make sense considering Goku's aversion to straight up killing. It does almost contradict how out of control he seemed earlier but she just let it slide in the end.
There was some slight panic about Goku's fate at the end of the battle - more about how he was going to survive rather than if he'll survive since she's aware of how long the series is.
Spoiler:
"Seriously?! He's back! At least Trunks is a badass!"
Oh man, she was not happy about Freeza's return. After such a long and strenuous battle, you'd think he'd be done but nope, back he returns with father and all mech'd up! Honestly, as annoyed as she was that he'd come back, she was pretty happy that it allowed Trunks' to make a dramatic entrance!
"I think I have a new favourite. I still love you Gohan but Trunks is amazing!"
I don't know what it is about Trunks but I'm convinced every female fan I've come across has had some sort of obsession with the guy! Anyway, yes, she loved his entrance and his whole cocky attitude towards Freeza. They way he just took that giant blast head on like it was nothing. His whole backtalk and mocking of Freeza made her so happy after how much he mocked Goku during the previous battle!
Despite how much she liked Freeza being cut in her half, her favourite moment of this section was how he dealt with Cold-Daio. She laughed and said he was just as stupid as his son was with how cocky and condescending he tried to be despite being at a disadvantage. Trying to use Trunks' sword against him only to be absolutely obliterated was definitely a big highlight.
"These guys are...strange and one of them looks like Chaozu ate a Snorlax?!"
Possibly the best reaction to Gero and #19 that I've ever heard! She really enjoyed their fights with both Goku and Vegeta. She felt like the moment where you could physically see Goku breaking down was one of the most engaging and effective fights in the series since it really felt like a struggle.
Following that, we get our first foray into Super Saiyan Vegeta! After all of Vegeta's struggles and pride-complexes, we finally get some pay off for the character. It was such an awesome moment and she really enjoyed seeing him actually win for once!
"As horrible as these guys are, I really like #18...and #16 is cute!"
Well, the Artificial Humans are awake and they're attacking Vegeta! Poor guy, he's just had one victory against #19 and now he's losing again!. She really loves #18 on the basis that she's a 'badass female character' and said she was secretly kinda happy that she broke Vegeta's arm since he needed his arrogance kept in check!
She's quite fascinated by #16 and thought it was 'cute that he liked nature and birds'.
Spoiler:
Unfortunately, I don't really have a lot to type about here. She's really not enjoying this section of the series at all. She went as far as to call it 'boring' and 'tedious'. She doesn't find Cell interesting and despite enjoying some of the Super Vegeta and Super Trunks fights, it's mostly been quite a dull experience for her.
I told her that she'd probably enjoy the Cell Games section since there's a greater focus on Gohan and Goku (to an extent) but she's struggling with the motivation to power through the episodes up to that section.
Of course, she's not giving up but with university work and other things keeping her occupied, the motivation to watch DB in her free time has lowered significantly.
Alright, we're back! After university hand-ins were done, she headed back in to finish up remainder of the Cell arc. It's been a long time now so my memory is a little shakey on precise quotes.
Despite finding the Imperfect Cell arc incredibly tedious, she was very much drawn in by Cell's final form and focus on Gohan. I think the fact that Cell's trademark 'bwerh' sound is no longer a thing now is definitely helping things. For some reason she took a very intense dislike to that sound.
"What is Goku doing?! Why is he letting Gohan get beaten the shit out of?!"
Unsurprisingly, she was pretty dumbfounded by Goku's 'idiocy' for putting too much faith in Gohan. Of course, as a Gohan fan it wasn't exactly the nicest thing for her to watch.
As she so nicely put it, "Goku stopped being an idiot" and things swayed back in favour of the Z fighters once more, much to her delight.
Highlights include the father-son Kamehameha and Vegeta's rush at Cell following Trunks' death. However, I believe she said she found her favourite moment to be when all of the Z fighters decided to attack Cell at once; all giving as much as they could to help defeat him. She really enjoyed the unity of that moment over anything else.
Regarding Goku's death; she found the build up to be really sweet. She adored Goku's goodbye but found the death itself not all that bothersome as, much like he did before, she assumed he would spend his time training. Despite that, she felt pretty enraged at Cell and felt that it made his defeat all the more enjoyable as Goku had essentially 'died for no reason'.
Overall, she said she enjoyed the Cell arc the least of everything she'd seen so far. Despite thinking he was a pretty awesome villain, she felt like the entire arc was incredibly drawn out. Switching back and forth between forms, the false deaths and the sheer tediousness of many moments didn't bring her much joy.
Side note: "Kuririn and #18. So adorable! They're cute as fuck"
TRUNKS SPECIAL THOUGHTS:
She enjoyed this a lot despite finding it incredibly emotional. Gohan's death is such a memorable moment that this really didn't surprise me much. She loved Trunks' determination to try and avenge his friend despite being entirely beaten. The sheer effort it took to fight through such a beating was a real highlight to her. A very dark but nice change in tone!
We watched all of the Great Saiyaman arc in the standard Z format prior to Kai's announcement at which point we stopped and waited until it aired. I gave it a few episodes before deciding whether it was worth her watching. About 2 weeks ago I decided the show was improving enough to be worth a watch and so we've continued with that. I'll be sure to update this at suitable points in the future!
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The point of this thread is hopefully for you guys to discuss how you felt when you first saw certain moments during the series! Also, it'd be cool to hear your thoughts on her opinions and how they may compare to your own.
Feel free to suggest better ways to present this or to promote discussion
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Why do I see so many newcomers start with Z? Why wouldn't you start your friend at the beginning of the series? I know if I had the chance to do it over, I'd have loved to have started from the beginning of the series.
"Kenshi is sitting down right now drawing his mutated spaghetti monsters thinking he's the shit..."--Neptune Kai "90% of you here don't even know what you're talking about (there are a few that do). But the things you say about these releases are nonsense and just plain dumb. Like you Metalwario64"--final_flash
AjayLikesGaming wrote:Because she knows the basic story of Dragon Ball and wants to get through the Z portion to watch Battle of Gods at the end of it.
She's watching it in Japanese, language isn't an issue. It's just her preference right now.
Well, if it's her decision. Still nice to see people getting into the franchise though.
"Kenshi is sitting down right now drawing his mutated spaghetti monsters thinking he's the shit..."--Neptune Kai "90% of you here don't even know what you're talking about (there are a few that do). But the things you say about these releases are nonsense and just plain dumb. Like you Metalwario64"--final_flash
Always cool to see a new fan of Dragon Ball. I can get behind that.
Though if you were going with Kai, why not the dub then? Yeah, the Z era dubs were extremely problematic, but we got a very good dub with Kai (something to mention if she didn't know).
In fact, I just watch Z in Japanese and just watch Kai in English now, as Japan didn't need Kai (and did better in my view in Z), whereas the Z dub is too much for me at this point.
Normally I watch both languages on all my anime, but this is one of my exceptions (this, some old anime with terrible dubs, and YYH, because I love the dub too much to not watch it).
Still, I do like hearing her opinions on the material, especially ones comparing the nostalgic old views.
My prior experience with Dragon Ball was very similar to your friend, my brother was a really huge fan of Dragon Ball and I too only caught certain episodes. It wasn't until one year ago I decided to get into Dragon BaIl. Rather then starting with Z, I decided to start from the very beginning but rather than watching the anime I decided to borrow my friends Vizbig editions of the Dragon Ball manga. When I got up to the Z portion of the manga I decided to switch to anime, and began watching Z with the Funimation Dub (I watched all of it in about a month). It wasn't until last May when I discovered this site and began to watch the Japanese version of Dragon Ball and start to despise the Funimation Dub.
I do not remember my general thoughts when first watching Dragon Ball, but I remember loving it and wanting to show it to all of my friends who hadn't seen it before.
AjayLikesGaming wrote:Because she knows the basic story of Dragon Ball and wants to get through the Z portion to watch Battle of Gods at the end of it.
She's watching it in Japanese, language isn't an issue. It's just her preference right now.
Knowing the basic story isn't the same thing as seeing it. I knew the basic story of Lord of the Rings but that's different than reading or watching it. Hell, some kid spoiled the Matrix for me and made it sound really dumb, but when I saw it, it was awesome.
The biggest truths aren't original. The truth is ketchup. It's Jim Belushi. Its job isn't to blow our minds. It's to be within reach.
"You miss 100% of the shots you don't take - Wayne Gretzky" - Michael Scott
Happiness is climate, not weather.
ABED wrote:Knowing the basic story isn't the same thing as seeing it. I knew the basic story of Lord of the Rings but that's different than reading or watching it. Hell, some kid spoiled the Matrix for me and made it sound really dumb, but when I saw it, it was awesome.
Can we stop with 'Why not watch Dragon Ball first?!' line of thinking. It's her choice, it's falling on deaf ears posting about it on here. Many people saw LOTR without seeing The Hobbit and still appreciated it just as much. Same line of thinking - if she wants to go back, she will. Until then, you're either interested in this thread or you're not.
Mewzard wrote:Though if you were going with Kai, why not the dub then?
Two reasons really - primarily because that's what she wanted to watch but also because she's moving onto the Buu saga with myself which, under no circumstances, will I be watching with Funimation's original dub.
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ABED wrote:Knowing the basic story isn't the same thing as seeing it. I knew the basic story of Lord of the Rings but that's different than reading or watching it. Hell, some kid spoiled the Matrix for me and made it sound really dumb, but when I saw it, it was awesome.
DBKai is more like a stand-alone series rather than a sequel to the DB like DBZ is (and GT is to DBZ). It was meant to be seen without watching DB first.
James Teal (Animerica 1996) wrote:When you think about it, there are a number of similarities between the Chinese-inspired Son Goku and that most American of superhero icons, Superman. Both are aliens sent to Earth shortly after birth to escape the destruction of their homeworlds; both possess super-strength, flight, super-speed, heightened senses and the ability to cast energy blasts. But the crucial difference between them lies not only in how they view the world, but in how the world views them.
Superman is, and always has been, a symbol for truth, justice, and upstanding moral fortitude–a role model and leader as much as a fighter. The more down-to-earth Goku has no illusions about being responsible for maintaining social order, or for setting some kind of moral example for the entire world. Goku is simply a martial artist who’s devoted his life toward perfecting his fighting skills and other abilities. Though never shy about risking his life to save either one person or the entire world, he just doesn’t believe that the balance of the world rests in any way on his shoulders, and he has no need to shape any part of it in his image. Goku is an idealist, and believes that there is some good in everyone, but he is unconcerned with the big picture of the world…unless it has to do with some kind of fight. Politics, society, law and order don’t have much bearing on his life, but he’s a man who knows right from wrong.
ABED wrote:Knowing the basic story isn't the same thing as seeing it. I knew the basic story of Lord of the Rings but that's different than reading or watching it. Hell, some kid spoiled the Matrix for me and made it sound really dumb, but when I saw it, it was awesome.
DBKai is more like a stand-alone series rather than a sequel to the DB like DBZ is (and GT is to DBZ). It was meant to be seen without watching DB first.
It's not a standalone series anymore than volumes 17-42 of the manga are. It's a shorten versioned of Dragon Ball Z that was created and targeted towards fans.
It's her choice,
Not at issue. Merely pointing out that she's missing so much. Many would argue it's the best part. Oh, and LOTR is a stand alone story. It's not a sequel to the Hobbit. Mostly different characters, plot and tone.
The biggest truths aren't original. The truth is ketchup. It's Jim Belushi. Its job isn't to blow our minds. It's to be within reach.
"You miss 100% of the shots you don't take - Wayne Gretzky" - Michael Scott
Happiness is climate, not weather.
ABED wrote:It's not a standalone series anymore than volumes 17-42 of the manga are. It's a shorten versioned of Dragon Ball Z that was created and targeted towards fans.
DBZ & the manga didn't have a big recap mentioning the important events prior Raditz's arrival, and DBKai was made mainly to create a new generation of fans. It wasn't made only for the old fans.
James Teal (Animerica 1996) wrote:When you think about it, there are a number of similarities between the Chinese-inspired Son Goku and that most American of superhero icons, Superman. Both are aliens sent to Earth shortly after birth to escape the destruction of their homeworlds; both possess super-strength, flight, super-speed, heightened senses and the ability to cast energy blasts. But the crucial difference between them lies not only in how they view the world, but in how the world views them.
Superman is, and always has been, a symbol for truth, justice, and upstanding moral fortitude–a role model and leader as much as a fighter. The more down-to-earth Goku has no illusions about being responsible for maintaining social order, or for setting some kind of moral example for the entire world. Goku is simply a martial artist who’s devoted his life toward perfecting his fighting skills and other abilities. Though never shy about risking his life to save either one person or the entire world, he just doesn’t believe that the balance of the world rests in any way on his shoulders, and he has no need to shape any part of it in his image. Goku is an idealist, and believes that there is some good in everyone, but he is unconcerned with the big picture of the world…unless it has to do with some kind of fight. Politics, society, law and order don’t have much bearing on his life, but he’s a man who knows right from wrong.
That's a recap, and not at all the same thing as watching those episodes. You could just as easily tell her the story in a nutshell and save her 200 episodes worth of DBKai and Z. She'll pretty much know the story.
The biggest truths aren't original. The truth is ketchup. It's Jim Belushi. Its job isn't to blow our minds. It's to be within reach.
"You miss 100% of the shots you don't take - Wayne Gretzky" - Michael Scott
Happiness is climate, not weather.
Hope to see more soon. I love hearing about first viewings.
Why Dragon Ball Consistency in something such as power levels matter!
Spoiler:
Doctor. wrote:I've explained before, I'll just paraphrase myself.
Power levels establish tension and drama. People who care about them (well, people who care about them in a narrative) don't care about the big numbers or the fancy explosions. If you have character A who's so much above character B, who's the main character, you're gonna be left wondering how in the hell character B, the character we're supposed to care and root for, is going to escape the situation or overcome the odds. It makes us emotionally invested.
If character B doesn't escape the situation in a believable way that's consistent with previous events, then that emotional investment is gone. It was pointless tension, pointless drama made just to suck in the viewer. It has no critical value whatsoever. The audience is left believing that the author can just create whatever scenarios he wants and what happens to the characters is decided by whatever the author wants to happen, regardless of the events that happened in the story. Which, in fairness, is what happens, but the audience wants to be fooled. The audience wants to know that the world they're following has rules. That the world they're invested in isn't going to bend to external factors that are irrelevant to them.
An author can do whatever he wants with the characters, that's not false. But the author should also have the responsibility to make sure it fits in cohesively with the other events in the narrative he has created.
Personally if I were introducing someone to the series I'd show them as many different versions as possible so they can decide for themselves which is best rather than saying to them "This is good that's not so don't bother with that". I feel that a lot of the different versions/dubs have their own strengths and can all be enjoyed in different ways. And you can't always be sure that they'll be the same kind of fan as you.
I guess I'd show them either the Funi DB dub or Z dub first and then the Funi Kai dub and then GT and then the Japanese and also the Saban Z dub at some point.
If the person is open to subtitles, then I'd show them the Japanese version. However, if they were reticent then I'd ease them into it with the Kai dub.
The biggest truths aren't original. The truth is ketchup. It's Jim Belushi. Its job isn't to blow our minds. It's to be within reach.
"You miss 100% of the shots you don't take - Wayne Gretzky" - Michael Scott
Happiness is climate, not weather.
ABED wrote:That's a recap, and not at all the same thing as watching those episodes. You could just as easily tell her the story in a nutshell and save her 200 episodes worth of DBKai and Z. She'll pretty much know the story.
My point is, it isn't only targeted to people like you & me, it is also targeted to people like AjayLikesGaming's friend, who haven't seen DB/Z/GT or read the manga before. Besides, most fans watch DB after DBZ/Kai if they get the chance, so who says she will miss that part of the story? The point of Kai was to create new fans, so that they will buy not only the DBKai home releases, but also buy the home releases, video games, and merchandise of DB/Z/GT as well.
James Teal (Animerica 1996) wrote:When you think about it, there are a number of similarities between the Chinese-inspired Son Goku and that most American of superhero icons, Superman. Both are aliens sent to Earth shortly after birth to escape the destruction of their homeworlds; both possess super-strength, flight, super-speed, heightened senses and the ability to cast energy blasts. But the crucial difference between them lies not only in how they view the world, but in how the world views them.
Superman is, and always has been, a symbol for truth, justice, and upstanding moral fortitude–a role model and leader as much as a fighter. The more down-to-earth Goku has no illusions about being responsible for maintaining social order, or for setting some kind of moral example for the entire world. Goku is simply a martial artist who’s devoted his life toward perfecting his fighting skills and other abilities. Though never shy about risking his life to save either one person or the entire world, he just doesn’t believe that the balance of the world rests in any way on his shoulders, and he has no need to shape any part of it in his image. Goku is an idealist, and believes that there is some good in everyone, but he is unconcerned with the big picture of the world…unless it has to do with some kind of fight. Politics, society, law and order don’t have much bearing on his life, but he’s a man who knows right from wrong.
Because it was the most popular, but that doesn't make it the best. It's not about missing part of the story. You can get any story synopsized, but that isn't the same as experiencing it. Most shows recap the previous season so you can catch up, but you'd be missing out on so much. Kai wasn't just to create new fans, it was created partially for nostalgia, but that's besides the point. I still don't understand the logic of skipping 1/3 of the show. Why not tell her the story up to the Buu arc and just show her that? I'm sure you could recap the story for her up to that point.
The biggest truths aren't original. The truth is ketchup. It's Jim Belushi. Its job isn't to blow our minds. It's to be within reach.
"You miss 100% of the shots you don't take - Wayne Gretzky" - Michael Scott
Happiness is climate, not weather.
ABED wrote:Because it was the most popular, but that doesn't make it the best. It's not about missing part of the story. You can get any story synopsized, but that isn't the same as experiencing it. Most shows recap the previous season so you can catch up, but you'd be missing out on so much. Kai wasn't just to create new fans, it was created partially for nostalgia, but that's besides the point. I still don't understand the logic of skipping 1/3 of the show. Why not tell her the story up to the Buu arc and just show her that? I'm sure you could recap the story for her up to that point.
So she will miss that part of the story for now. And? There are still so many people that started with DBZ/Kai and still saw the series without any issue. Sure, starting with DB is better, but starting with DBKai isn't a bad start.
James Teal (Animerica 1996) wrote:When you think about it, there are a number of similarities between the Chinese-inspired Son Goku and that most American of superhero icons, Superman. Both are aliens sent to Earth shortly after birth to escape the destruction of their homeworlds; both possess super-strength, flight, super-speed, heightened senses and the ability to cast energy blasts. But the crucial difference between them lies not only in how they view the world, but in how the world views them.
Superman is, and always has been, a symbol for truth, justice, and upstanding moral fortitude–a role model and leader as much as a fighter. The more down-to-earth Goku has no illusions about being responsible for maintaining social order, or for setting some kind of moral example for the entire world. Goku is simply a martial artist who’s devoted his life toward perfecting his fighting skills and other abilities. Though never shy about risking his life to save either one person or the entire world, he just doesn’t believe that the balance of the world rests in any way on his shoulders, and he has no need to shape any part of it in his image. Goku is an idealist, and believes that there is some good in everyone, but he is unconcerned with the big picture of the world…unless it has to do with some kind of fight. Politics, society, law and order don’t have much bearing on his life, but he’s a man who knows right from wrong.
As disappointing as it may be there's people who've first seen DBZ and then DB/GT what did they think of it? Nowhere near as good as DBZ because it was "too boring".
Always start from the beginning.
FUNimation 2015 Releases I want:
- Kai 2.0 on Blu-ray
