Kai changing the perception of DragonBall

SSJ3_Zack · Post by **SSJ3_Zack** » Sun Dec 29, 2013 1:49 am

A month ago I was having a discussion with a friend about DragonBall. He for one loathes the Anime using the usual barrage of insults hurled in it's direction I.E it's too slow, they take a whole episode to power up etc. He himself is a huge comic book fan so we decided to strike up a deal. I would check out Batman: The Animated Series (I never watched it before due to me disliking it as a child) and in return he would watch Dragonball Kai uncut.

Recently we met up again and turns out he actually really enjoyed Kai and it changed his opinion completely on the franchise, he couldn't believe how well the acting and pacing were and how engrossing the story actually is. However he was disappointed that he would have to wait for an indefinite period of time for the Kai interpretation of the Boo saga. He is now going to watch the original DragonBall series (in Japanese) and a few of the movies/specials that I recommended.

I have a question for everyone, has DragonBall Kai changed yours or a friends perception on the franchise?

Fionordequester · Post by **Fionordequester** » Sun Dec 29, 2013 2:47 am

My best friend who happens to be a girl (or woman...she may have had her 18th birthday recently). Before, when she had watched it a long, LONG time ago, she thought Dragon Ball Z was gay. Now she's absolutely hooked!

90sDBZ · Post by **90sDBZ** » Sun Dec 29, 2013 9:52 am

SSJ3_Zack wrote:A month ago I was having a discussion with a friend about DragonBall. He for one loathes the Anime using the usual barrage of insults hurled in it's direction I.E it's too slow, they take a whole episode to power up etc. He himself is a huge comic book fan so we decided to strike up a deal. I would check out Batman: The Animated Series (I never watched it before due to me disliking it as a child) and in return he would watch Dragonball Kai uncut.

Recently we met up again and turns out he actually really enjoyed Kai and it changed his opinion completely on the franchise, he couldn't believe how well the acting and pacing were and how engrossing the story actually is. However he was disappointed that he would have to wait for an indefinite period of time for the Kai interpretation of the Boo saga. He is now going to watch the original DragonBall series (in Japanese) and a few of the movies/specials that I recommended.

I have a question for everyone, has DragonBall Kai changed yours or a friends perception on the franchise?

It didn't really change my perception at all. I loved it before and love it now. Out of curiosity what did you think of Batman TAS after watching it?

TheBlackPaladin · Post by **TheBlackPaladin** » Sun Dec 29, 2013 10:46 am

SSJ3_Zack wrote:I would check out Batman: The Animated Series (I never watched it before due to me disliking it as a child) and in return he would watch Dragonball Kai uncut.

"Batman: The Animated Series" is probably the best animated representation of Batman that there has ever been (nobody plays him better the Kevin Conroy...in my opinion, of course). I hope you enjoyed that series!

Anyways, back on topic...yes, everybody that I've talked into watching full episodes of Kai (referring to the English dub) LOVES it. However, everybody that I've talked to who has only watched clips of it on YouTube hates it. It's interesting how quickly their opinion changes when I get them to watch full episodes.

SSJ3_Zack · Post by **SSJ3_Zack** » Sun Dec 29, 2013 11:05 am

I'm actually enjoying watching the Batman Animated Series, I really like the score (Love the fact they based it off the 90's movies) and Kevin Conroy as Batman is excellent (First thing I said was that he would make an excellent Piccolo

). Also Harley Quinn is a character i'm really enjoying watching. As a kid I grew up with Batman Beyond (I preferred it to this series) so I may re-watch that after I'm done viewing this.

As for Kai, my little nephew has started watching it religiously on Kix! However he and his friends prefers the old Funimation dub xD. Still he understands the differences between the Son Goku in Kai and the Goku in the old Z dub (He prefers the Kai interpretation).

Fionordequester · Post by **Fionordequester** » Mon Dec 30, 2013 12:08 am

SSJ3_Zack wrote:As for Kai, my little nephew has started watching it religiously on Kix! However he and his friends prefers the old Funimation dub xD. Still he understands the differences between the Son Goku in Kai and the Goku in the old Z dub (He prefers the Kai interpretation).

Really? Interesting. Why's that?

TheGmGoken · Post by **TheGmGoken** » Mon Dec 30, 2013 1:40 am

SSJ3_Zack wrote:I'm actually enjoying watching the Batman Animated Series, I really like the score (Love the fact they based it off the 90's movies) and Kevin Conroy as Batman is excellent (First thing I said was that he would make an excellent Piccolo ). Also Harley Quinn is a character i'm really enjoying watching. As a kid I grew up with Batman Beyond (I preferred it to this series) so I may re-watch that after I'm done viewing this.

As for Kai, my little nephew has started watching it religiously on Kix! However he and his friends prefers the old Funimation dub xD. Still he understands the differences between the Son Goku in Kai and the Goku in the old Z dub (He prefers the Kai interpretation).

How old is he?

SSJ3_Zack · Post by **SSJ3_Zack** » Mon Dec 30, 2013 3:38 am

TheGmGoken wrote: How old is he?

He is 9 years old.

Fionordequester wrote: Really? Interesting. Why's that?

One of the complaints about Kai was that he and his friends found the dialogue to be a bit hard to follow compared to the old dub. He also liked the Bruce Faulconer music (Kix! Only shows Kai with the Kikuchi replacement score.). The most shocking part was that he and his friends preferred the slow pace of Z.

90sDBZ · Post by **90sDBZ** » Mon Dec 30, 2013 10:35 am

SSJ3_Zack wrote:I'm actually enjoying watching the Batman Animated Series, I really like the score (Love the fact they based it off the 90's movies) and Kevin Conroy as Batman is excellent (First thing I said was that he would make an excellent Piccolo ). Also Harley Quinn is a character i'm really enjoying watching. As a kid I grew up with Batman Beyond (I preferred it to this series) so I may re-watch that after I'm done viewing this.

As for Kai, my little nephew has started watching it religiously on Kix! However he and his friends prefers the old Funimation dub xD. Still he understands the differences between the Son Goku in Kai and the Goku in the old Z dub (He prefers the Kai interpretation).

I agree Conroy rocks as does Mark Hamill as The Joker. And Harley is great too.

Funnily enough Batman has always reminded me of Piccolo.

It's great to hear some love for the old Funi dub and Faulconer from the younger generation.

SSJ3_Zack wrote:One of the complaints about Kai was that he and his friends found the dialogue to be a bit hard to follow compared to the old dub.

I'm not surprised considering some of the stuff Freeza comes out with. With any luck we'll get the old Funi dub back on UK tv when East Asia TV launches.

Fionordequester · Post by **Fionordequester** » Mon Dec 30, 2013 1:13 pm

He also liked the Bruce Faulconer music (Kix! Only shows Kai with the Kikuchi replacement score.).

The most shocking part was that he and his friends preferred the slow pace of Z.

I was surprised to, but, thinking over it, it actually does make sense. What kind of nine year old kid wants only 100 Episodes of their favorite show instead of 276?

kei17 · Post by **kei17** » Mon Dec 30, 2013 1:30 pm

SSJ3_Zack wrote: He also liked the Bruce Faulconer music (Kix! Only shows Kai with the Kikuchi replacement score.)

It's really saddening to hear that people in the English speaking countries are still plagued with a primitive curse.

90sDBZ · Post by **90sDBZ** » Mon Dec 30, 2013 3:22 pm

kei17 wrote:
SSJ3_Zack wrote: He also liked the Bruce Faulconer music (Kix! Only shows Kai with the Kikuchi replacement score.)
It's really saddening hear that people in the English speaking countries are still plagued with a primitive curse.

Can it really be considered a curse if the person enjoys it?

SSJ3_Zack · Post by **SSJ3_Zack** » Mon Dec 30, 2013 5:26 pm

The problem is that the Kikuchi replacement score for Kai is too repetitive and lacks the flare and placement of the original Z score. He really enjoyed the Kikuchi score for the (Ocean Dub) Dead Zone for example, and said that he wished the score was more like that. I'm getting him the Orange Bricks for his birthday because they're cheaper and have both scores. Hopefully then he can make his mind up on whether he likes the Kikuchi or Faulconer score more. But currently he and his friends prefer the Faulconer score.

Another interesting thing he told me was that DBZ is the most popular show in his school, more so than Ben10, Power Rangers, Adventure Time and stuff like that (Apparently it's so popular that the entire wall where kids put up there drawings is filled with nothing but DBZ characters) One problem he did say is that the kids are unable to find action figures or toys to play with, since DBZ toys aren't really available in this country unless you look online.

ABED · Post by **ABED** » Mon Dec 30, 2013 9:53 pm

SSJ3_Zack wrote:The problem is that the Kikuchi replacement score for Kai is too repetitive and lacks the flare and placement of the original Z score.

This is a common complaint but is it true? Is it any more repetitive than Kikuchi's? I hear the same songs played over and over again in both versions.

Rocketman · Post by **Rocketman** » Mon Dec 30, 2013 10:00 pm

90sDBZ wrote:
kei17 wrote:
SSJ3_Zack wrote: He also liked the Bruce Faulconer music (Kix! Only shows Kai with the Kikuchi replacement score.)
It's really saddening hear that people in the English speaking countries are still plagued with a primitive curse.
Can it really be considered a curse if the person enjoys it?

Is it slavery when you get what you want?

TheBlackPaladin · Post by **TheBlackPaladin** » Mon Dec 30, 2013 10:08 pm

Rocketman wrote:Is it slavery when you get what you want?

Major props for the creative response. I lol'd.

SSJ3_Zack · Post by **SSJ3_Zack** » Mon Dec 30, 2013 10:09 pm

ABED wrote:This is a common complaint but is it true? Is it any more repetitive than Kikuchi's? I hear the same songs played over and over again in both versions.

I haven't seen Z in Japanese much to really compare them but I have listened to Kikuchi's score. In my opinion Kai used a very small percentage of Kikuchi's score, which is why it comes off as repetitive. The three tracks I've posted below are near enough used in every episode (The second one literally since it's used as the recap theme).

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4BDKeuhDyIA

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=84CqvkDK0UE

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GkoefWV_GFI

Personally I would of used a lot more of Kikuchi's themes to make the score more varied.

90sDBZ · Post by **90sDBZ** » Mon Dec 30, 2013 10:59 pm

Rocketman wrote:Is it slavery when you get what you want?

Weejus · Post by **Weejus** » Tue Dec 31, 2013 8:13 pm

kei17 wrote:
SSJ3_Zack wrote: He also liked the Bruce Faulconer music (Kix! Only shows Kai with the Kikuchi replacement score.)
It's really saddening to hear that people in the English speaking countries are still plagued with a primitive curse.

The kid's nine years old. Give him a chance. He's at the age where Faulconer's music would be more appealing than Kikuchi's due to it's supposed 'cool factor'.

dbboxkaifan · Post by **dbboxkaifan** » Tue Dec 31, 2013 9:37 pm

kei17 wrote:It's really saddening to hear that people in the English speaking countries are still plagued with a primitive curse.

Just because he likes the Faulconer score it doesn't make him any less of a fan than anyone else.

What's actually saddening is that there's people here bashing others just for the fact that they like a musical score that others don't.

This picture below shows what fanboys are like:

Kanzenshuu

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