What if Toriyama never created the Cell saga?

thatdbzguy · Post by **thatdbzguy** » Sat Jan 11, 2014 10:10 am

Most people here agree that the Cell saga is by far the worst saga out of all of Dragon Ball. So, what if Toriyama didn't even bother creating it, and instead went straight to Buu? How different do you think the saga would've been?

DonZ · Post by **DonZ** » Sat Jan 11, 2014 11:55 am

No, the Buu saga is the worst one by far.

Baggie_Saiyan · Post by **Baggie_Saiyan** » Sat Jan 11, 2014 12:04 pm

DonZ wrote:No, the Buu saga is the worst one by far.

I disagree, the Buu saga was fun,it bought the goffyness back as well still incorpating the serious nature of Z, whereas the Cell saga was just boring from start to finish. Yeah it has some pretty cool moments and future trunks was awesome, but aside from that it was well just flat, in my opinion anyway.

YouTube · Post by **Ajay** » Sat Jan 11, 2014 12:07 pm

Wasn't aware the Cell arc garnered so much hate. All I ever hear are people complaining about the Boo arc.

If the Cell arc didn't exist then one would assume Gohan would just regress back further into his studious nature and every power up would be brought down a level since the necessity is no longer there.

I'm sure then that the events now missing would be redone in the Boo arc since the need to power up is suddenly there again but to a greater degree.

GsTvo · Post by **GsTvo** » Sat Jan 11, 2014 12:37 pm

Like we say on my country "For likes there's no dislikes"... I don't know if is the correct translation but the point is that I can't understand how people dislike Cell and Boo's Arcs, and think that Freeza's Arc is the best. For me the Freeza's Arc is until the Super Saiyajin transfromation the "long" version of exactly the same that we see in Saiyajin Arc, Goku... you're the only one.

But if Toiryama never created the Cell saga, perhaps Goten and Trunks would not exist because there's no need to introduce new characters so fast. Goku would be alive and it be unlikely the existence of SSJ3 for obviosly reasons. Vegeta would be more embittered and Krillin would continue thinking about Maron.

baneofdemon22 · Post by **baneofdemon22** » Sat Jan 11, 2014 12:51 pm

I agree with you GSTvo. The Namek/Saga seems very similar to the Saiyan Saga, almost beat for beat in a lot of instances. Although, even in Kai, the Freeza fight really dragged for me. Each time I watch it, I enjoy it less and less. I never and still don't understand it either. It works a bit better in my mind, if I was just to consider it three large sagas, with the Saiyan Saga being part of the Freeza saga. Just viewing Radditz, Vegeta, and Nappa as the first wave of Freeza's gauntlet. I don't know.

Black_Anime_Fan · Post by **Black_Anime_Fan** » Sat Jan 11, 2014 1:00 pm

I thought most people agree with themselves that the Cell saga was the best one? Anyway on topic, if it went straight to the Boo Arc, then I would've stopped watching after Freeza.

Post by **TheDevilsCorpse** » Sat Jan 11, 2014 1:23 pm

The Cell Arc takes itself way too seriously at times. Easily the worst part of the story, right behind the Red Ribbon Arc.

Anyway, I don't think the Buu Arc would have flowed properly off of the Freeza Arc. Some things may have still worked out nicely, like Freeza and Kaioshin's powers being more relevant, but we probably would have still needed some kind of buffer there, even if it wasn't Cell.

Hellspawn28 · Post by **Hellspawn28** » Sat Jan 11, 2014 1:42 pm

I thought the Buu saga gets more hate then the Cell saga? I remember most fans enjoy the Cell saga while I remember people tend to hate on the Buu saga.

SupremeSSJ · Post by **SupremeSSJ** » Sat Jan 11, 2014 1:45 pm

i'll watch cell over boo anytime. is it just me?

Black_Anime_Fan · Post by **Black_Anime_Fan** » Sat Jan 11, 2014 1:46 pm

SupremeSSJ wrote:i'll watch cell over boo anytime. is it just me?

Nope, most fans would actually agree with that.

SupremeSSJ · Post by **SupremeSSJ** » Sat Jan 11, 2014 1:48 pm

I like the dark side of DBZ and Cell arc was just so damn dark. Boo was at some point to don't get me wrong.

Hellspawn28 · Post by **Hellspawn28** » Sat Jan 11, 2014 2:14 pm

I'm happy how things are now. I got into DBZ around the end of the Cell saga and just before the Buu saga started. If it was not for those two sagas then I would never be a DBZ fan and DBZ did change my life. I used to be one of those DBZ haters during the late 90's, but I give DB a third chance and I love it.

DonZ · Post by **DonZ** » Sat Jan 11, 2014 2:27 pm

SupremeSSJ wrote:I like the dark side of DBZ and Cell arc was just so damn dark. Boo was at some point to don't get me wrong.

Freeza and Piccolo Daimao saga are much darker than cell imo. Freeza saga defines the "hopelessness" very well. one of the reasons why it's my favorite saga ever.

SSJ YUSUKE · Post by **SSJ YUSUKE** » Sat Jan 11, 2014 3:13 pm

I don't understand all the hate the Cell saga gets compared to the Buu saga, I mean just compare the villans, Buu in all his incarnations is a huge let down, I mean we had seriuosly evil and badass villans in King Piccolo, Vegeta, Freeza and Cell. When the saga started I was seriosly expecting Buu to be more evil than the prevoius villans, but what did we get instead? A BIG FAT RETARDED MAN CHILD WHO FEEDS HIS UNHEALTHY OBESITY BY TURNING PEOPLE INTO CANDY!!!
To Toriyama's credit it was something unexpeted and genius move on he's part, howver personally I did not like it
I like the dark nature of the Saiyan, Freeza and Cell arcs but that's just my opnion I'm sure many have people have diffrent opnions to mine and that others share my sentiments.
Now if we assume that there was no Cell saga and that Toriyama went straight to Buu I'm sure that we would see many elements from the Cell saga brought foward.
So Trunks still travels to the past but instead of his future being destroyed by androids, his world is ruled by the evil wizard Bibidi, his henchman and Majin Buu. After defeating Freeza Trunks warns Goku that in 3 years Babidi will arrive with his henchman Dabura,Yokon and Pocus, who will steal Goku's super saiyan energy and ressurect majin Buu, Bibidi is able to control Buu and despite putting on a good fight Vegta and Piccolo are killed. With no threat in his way Babidi takes control of earth and uses it as the centre of his new galactic empire which brings misery to the universe, however Gohan, Krillan, Yamcha and Tien form a ristance group which tries to cause trouble in Babidi's Empire,however without the power of a super sayain they can't defeat Buu and one by one over the years the Z senshi are killed off and Gohan is all that remains, despite his super Saiyan powers he knows that he cannot kill Buu alone so he convinces a reluctant Bulma to let him train Trunks. Before he compltete Trunks's training howver Buu goes awol and kills Babidi and goes on a wild rampage destroying planets, Gohan attempts to stop him but in the ensuing batlle he is killed in order to save the life of her only son Bulma builds a time machine and sends Trunks to the past, just before Buu destroys the planet.....
I guess this is not exactly what you asked for but I got carried, I think I'll keep the rest of my ideas for a fanfic -I'll never write.

thatdbzguy · Post by **thatdbzguy** » Sat Jan 11, 2014 3:46 pm

When I say most people here think the Cell saga is worst, I mean here. On Kanzenshuu.

The Cell saga sucked because everything about it had no personality. Top that off with a bunch of plot holes and the worst handlement of a character (Gohan) in all of Dragon Ball, and you have a terrible saga.

The Buu saga does a lot of things right, despite its issues, and has personality. The Cell saga is just one terrible quality after another. Absolutely nothing good about it.

DonZ · Post by **DonZ** » Sat Jan 11, 2014 4:06 pm

Nothing good about the Cell saga ? seriously ?! what about Cell himself .. as a villain ? his goal to become "perfect" by sucking Androids 17 & 18. which these two were the villains at that point in the saga, i really liked that scenario. and don't get me started on the ending, it's P-E-R-F-E-C-T. unlike the ending we got after the Buu saga.

thatdbzguy · Post by **thatdbzguy** » Sat Jan 11, 2014 4:13 pm

DonZ wrote:Nothing good about the Cell saga ? seriously ?! what about Cell himself .. as a villain ? his goal to become "perfect" through sucking Androids 17 & 18. which these two were the villains at that point in the saga, i really liked that scenario. and don't get me started on the ending, it's P-E-R-F-E-C-T. unlike the ending we got after the Buu saga.

Cell is probably the most bland villain in manga history.

The ending was terrible. Goku doesn't return for a bullshit reason and leaves his son, who is clearly incapable of defending the Earth without his precious daddy, to be the new hero, Vegeta's character arc doesn't get proper closure, seeing Trunks defeat the androids in his timeline was beyond unnecessary, etc.

90sDBZ · Post by **90sDBZ** » Sat Jan 11, 2014 4:17 pm

thatdbzguy wrote:Most people here agree that the Cell saga is by far the worst saga out of all of Dragon Ball. So, what if Toriyama didn't even bother creating it, and instead went straight to Buu? How different do you think the saga would've been?

Where are you getting the idea that the Cell saga is the most hated? It is my least favourite main arc in Z but from what I can tell the Buu saga is the least liked here.

DonZ · Post by **DonZ** » Sat Jan 11, 2014 4:20 pm

Cell saga isn't my favorite saga, but i think it's the most popular one among the DBZ fandom.

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