Was Goku's Super Saiyan God Form In B.O.G. not complete?!

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Was Goku's Super Saiyan God Form In B.O.G. not complete?!

Post by KaioGojita » Tue Jan 14, 2014 9:26 pm

Well, this has crossed my mind for awhile now and has been bothering me ever since the movies release. And that is the thought of Goku's "Super Saiyan God" transformation not being in its complete state. Alright, to start off this theory - I would like to point out something that is said in the film itself. In the movie, Shenron tells Goku the information on Super Saiyan God and its back story. He then goes on to say that the power of "six pure hearted Saiyans" are needed to infuse their power into one single Saiyan. ....Alright, so in order for Goku to actually succeed in doing this transformation, he needed just that. Lets see....we had; Gohan - Vegeta - Goten - Trunks - Goku and finally..."Pan" (well, the unborn infant that still hasn't even formed completely in Videl.) Yeah, I think you know where I'm going with this. Shenron said that the power of six Saiyans are needed. We all know that Goku and the four others have an increasingly large amount of power due to their time on Earth and their Super Saiyan ability. But Pan...Pan was still an unborn infant who wasn't even completely morphed in her mother's womb, therefore you can expect that she can only give little power. Of course it didn't matter because she was a Saiyan who did not bare sin, but still her power was not yet formed itself. Giving little power to Goku, it is possible it is because of her infancy that Goku was not given the full extent of Super Saiyan God. I don't know, but what you get what I'm saying here? Possibly, if Pan was around the age she was around in Z and especially GT, Goku would have been given even more greater power than he was received and maybe even a little upgrade in appearance. Hence why his hair is only crimson color, it was in-complete. Again, this is just my little theory and it is most likely invalid but what do you guys think?

Also, I would picture Super Saiyan God to look like this with the full extent of the power given to him.

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Re: Was Goku's Super Saiyan God Form In B.O.G. not complete?

Post by B » Tue Jan 14, 2014 9:35 pm

Methinks you are taking the wording to its most literal extreme. I'd say "the power of six pure hearted Saiyans" is placing emphasis on the "pure hearted Saiyan" aspect.
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Re: Was Goku's Super Saiyan God Form In B.O.G. not complete?

Post by Chuquita » Tue Jan 14, 2014 9:57 pm

It did pass through my mind, but I went in a completely different direction in regards to full-power-unlocked (that is, "ssjg Goku is so cute, how much further can I push that?" )
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Re: Was Goku's Super Saiyan God Form In B.O.G. not complete?

Post by Hugo Boss » Tue Jan 14, 2014 10:50 pm

Using Pan is understandible, since her ki could mix with Videl's in order to exert Saiyan aura. What bothers me a bit is that the 5 of them transformed into Super Saiyan in order to accomplish the ritual, though it being apparently unnecessary if they considered to use Tarble too. Then, we get stuff like Super Saiyan Gohan. Maybe the sixth Saiyan should be a Super Saiyan in order to get a further step?

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Re: Was Goku's Super Saiyan God Form In B.O.G. not complete?

Post by BlazingFiddlesticks » Wed Jan 15, 2014 1:55 am

The Super Sayain transformation wasn't necessary for Goku's godhood, the original God got there without it, so I doubt the contributor's being Super Sayains had anything to do with it- Goku is only particularly powerful in God form for the same reasons he's always been, his exceptional training experiences and natural aptitude- a transformed state is only what you give it amplify. To me I think that would debunk this idea, too. Goten and Trunks tell us the strength cap necessary for Super Sayain is fairly fluid so long as you get the emotional trigger- replace "emotional trigger" with "good-hearted Saiyains" and that same "event over power" rule seems to keep applying.
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Re: Was Goku's Super Saiyan God Form In B.O.G. not complete?

Post by Duo » Wed Jan 15, 2014 12:11 pm

If it turned out the real "Super Saiyan God" turned out to be that long haired strangeness in the OP, then it would run counter to everything Toriyama-sensei said about the nature of the Super Saiyan God form in the first place. There's nothing in the film indicating the change was "incomplete".

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Re: Was Goku's Super Saiyan God Form In B.O.G. not complete?

Post by KaioGojita » Sun Jan 19, 2014 12:34 pm

Duo wrote:There's nothing in the film indicating the change was "incomplete".
Do you know what the term Theory means?

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Re: Was Goku's Super Saiyan God Form In B.O.G. not complete?

Post by Duo » Sun Jan 19, 2014 12:38 pm

KaioGojita wrote:
Duo wrote:There's nothing in the film indicating the change was "incomplete".
Do you know what the term Theory means?
Do you know what the term hypothesis means?

I'm simply saying that Super Saiyan God appears to be exactly what Toriyama-sensei intended it. Making it flashier or crazier in some way would run totally counter to the basis of the form to begin with. It's not that I don't like your idea as much as I'm pointing out the severe lack of likelihood.

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Re: Was Goku's Super Saiyan God Form In B.O.G. not complete?

Post by KentalSSJ6 » Sun Jan 19, 2014 5:55 pm

I Really doubt that if theres a "complete" SSJG, it would look like a pseudo SSJ3 form.

If the form is meant to be simple and go back to its roots, the most I could see a further stage of SSJG would be something like this.

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If the design is meant to be simple, why wouldn't possible further stages of it be simple as well?
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