It's well known that Freeza's organization were the ones that supplied the Saiyans with their armor.
What confuses me is the fact that the armor that Vegeta wears in the Androids/Cell arc, which is plain as day the same kind of armor as Freeza's army's, is called "Saiyan formal wear" in the JSAT (and I believe Piccolo and Tenshinhan expressed a desire not to be dressed in what they implied to be Saiyan clothing, speaking of this same kind of armor, right before training in the RoSaT).
So what gives? The armor is Freeza's. Vegeta and the others treat it like it's Saiyan armor, when they (or Vegeta at least) know it's not Saiyan armor. Or is this armor a new type that Bulma created for Vegeta (I mean I know the stuff brought to Kami's for RoSaT training was explicitly stated to have been made by Bulma, but what Vegeta wears when he first shows up and kills #19 isn't given a real origin)? In that case Vegeta and Bulma are plagiarizing Freeza's army's designs and passing it off as "Saiyan".
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Re: "Saiyan" Armor after the Freeza arc
Maybe the Tsufruians created them, the Saiyans took them, and after joining forces with Freeza, he took them as well because they come handy?
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Superman is, and always has been, a symbol for truth, justice, and upstanding moral fortitude–a role model and leader as much as a fighter. The more down-to-earth Goku has no illusions about being responsible for maintaining social order, or for setting some kind of moral example for the entire world. Goku is simply a martial artist who’s devoted his life toward perfecting his fighting skills and other abilities. Though never shy about risking his life to save either one person or the entire world, he just doesn’t believe that the balance of the world rests in any way on his shoulders, and he has no need to shape any part of it in his image. Goku is an idealist, and believes that there is some good in everyone, but he is unconcerned with the big picture of the world…unless it has to do with some kind of fight. Politics, society, law and order don’t have much bearing on his life, but he’s a man who knows right from wrong.
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Re: "Saiyan" Armor after the Freeza arc
How does Vegeta even know what he's talking about? He's not exactly the prime example to use as reference of a Saiyan or Saiyan culture. Hell, he was born after they were already annexed by Freeza and was only raised there for roughly 5 years before his planet became space dust. He grew up under Freeza's employ from that early of an age, and it made him act like none of the other pure breeds that we've seen (save Broli). Even if Nappa tried to tell him about their old culture, he'd probably just tell him to shut up or threaten to kill him.
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I just assumed he was being sarcastic.
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I just assume they call it Saiyan armor because that's where they first saw it.
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Re: "Saiyan" Armor after the Freeza arc
Perhaps it was introduced to the Saiyans by Freeza's organization and BECAME "Saiyan formal wear" as a result. What better to serve such a purpose than fancy armor?
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Re: "Saiyan" Armor after the Freeza arc
First of all, it IS Saiyan, because it expands for the Oozaru transformation. That version was built just for them. Who designed it, we don't know, but chibi Vegeta and the King both wear it. It also has the family crest of the House of Vejiita on it, and that's from way back to when Vegeta was a little kid. It's the same symbol as what's in the throne room on the wall behind the throne. They stole a bunch of tech from the Tuffles, too, so probably no one on the show invented it. Bebi Vegeta wore it when posessed by the Tuffle. He transformed into a golden Oozaru, and his clothes expanded then, too.
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Re: "Saiyan" Armor after the Freeza arc
Pretty sure Vegeta took a history class. Being the Prince of Saiyans and allTheDevilsCorpse wrote:How does Vegeta even know what he's talking about? He's not exactly the prime example to use as reference of a Saiyan or Saiyan culture. Hell, he was born after they were already annexed by Freeza and was only raised there for roughly 5 years before his planet became space dust. He grew up under Freeza's employ from that early of an age, and it made him act like none of the other pure breeds that we've seen (save Broli). Even if Nappa tried to tell him about their old culture, he'd probably just tell him to shut up or threaten to kill him.
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Re: "Saiyan" Armor after the Freeza arc
Toriyama specifically said that Broli doesn't wear the armor because he isn't part of Freeza's organization while designing him for DBZ Movie 8. So, while Freeza may have gotten it from somewhere else, it wasn't from the Saiyan's when he annexed them, meaning it originated elsewhere.DMacaoidhSelim wrote:First of all, it IS Saiyan, because it expands for the Oozaru transformation. That version was built just for them. Who designed it, we don't know, but chibi Vegeta and the King both wear it. It also has the family crest of the House of Vejiita on it, and that's from way back to when Vegeta was a little kid. It's the same symbol as what's in the throne room on the wall behind the throne. They stole a bunch of tech from the Tuffles, too, so probably no one on the show invented it. Bebi Vegeta wore it when posessed by the Tuffle. He transformed into a golden Oozaru, and his clothes expanded then, too.
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I don't think "Saiyan formal wear" necessarily means that Saiyans made the armor, just that it's what Saiyans wear. But then it's JSAT, I wouldn't be surprised it they just made a mistake. We don't know whether that line came from Toriyama.
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Honestly, I wouldn't exactly trust Toei or Toriyama at this point to not make silly mistakes like that.hleV wrote:We don't know whether that line came from Toriyama.
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Yep... We live in dark times...Zephyr wrote:Honestly, I wouldn't exactly trust Toei or Toriyama at this point to not make silly mistakes like that.hleV wrote:We don't know whether that line came from Toriyama.
James Teal (Animerica 1996) wrote:When you think about it, there are a number of similarities between the Chinese-inspired Son Goku and that most American of superhero icons, Superman. Both are aliens sent to Earth shortly after birth to escape the destruction of their homeworlds; both possess super-strength, flight, super-speed, heightened senses and the ability to cast energy blasts. But the crucial difference between them lies not only in how they view the world, but in how the world views them.
Superman is, and always has been, a symbol for truth, justice, and upstanding moral fortitude–a role model and leader as much as a fighter. The more down-to-earth Goku has no illusions about being responsible for maintaining social order, or for setting some kind of moral example for the entire world. Goku is simply a martial artist who’s devoted his life toward perfecting his fighting skills and other abilities. Though never shy about risking his life to save either one person or the entire world, he just doesn’t believe that the balance of the world rests in any way on his shoulders, and he has no need to shape any part of it in his image. Goku is an idealist, and believes that there is some good in everyone, but he is unconcerned with the big picture of the world…unless it has to do with some kind of fight. Politics, society, law and order don’t have much bearing on his life, but he’s a man who knows right from wrong.
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Re: "Saiyan" Armor after the Freeza arc
Honestly what's so bad about Toriyama's words? I honestly haven't seen what's so bad about them. Yeah he contradicted himself at times but what author haven't?Zephyr wrote:Honestly, I wouldn't exactly trust Toei or Toriyama at this point to not make silly mistakes like that.hleV wrote:We don't know whether that line came from Toriyama.