Toonzai lines? Did Schemmel do most of them?

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Toonzai lines? Did Schemmel do most of them?

Post by El Diabeetus » Mon Mar 24, 2014 7:11 pm

I came across this video comparing the Toonzai/Nicktoons versions. And most of the replacement lines sound like Schemmel. Gotta give him credit, with Piccolo toward the end, it almost isn't noticeable. I remember seeing him cover a Vegeta line or too. Usually don't watch the Toonzai version, so I'm wondering if it happens regularly:
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Post by TheGmGoken » Mon Mar 24, 2014 8:01 pm

Wow Goku could use his Krillin voice for Gohan(adult) and perhaps Goten. He can follow the Jpn and voice the entire Son Adult Family :shock:. Respect Schemmel. I can't see why anyone would hate him. His Piccolo is spot on.

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Post by dbboxkaifan » Mon Mar 24, 2014 8:17 pm

Damn to this day I still feel a sour in my mouth whenever I hear "One Million Miles" because that isn't the same as 1 kilometre, it'd be like saying that £1 is the same as €1/$1 which isn't true, although to simply for their target audience was probably the most suitable way to go for.

I'm aware that US uses the Imperial system rather than Metric but for Dragon Ball Kai they should've tried to stick to the source material and say the exact amount in metres/kilometres.

Plus, on games (FPS/TPS) they use metres to measure the distances as well as other genres that I can't remember now.
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Post by Cure Dragon 255 » Mon Mar 24, 2014 9:21 pm

Did ImmaKrillin do this? I want to hug him. I love Vortexx and I've always wanted to know what lines changed between Nicktoons to the CW! :mrgreen:

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Post by B » Mon Mar 24, 2014 9:56 pm

Biggest takeaway here: Goku's halo becomes some ball of light. Amazing.
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Post by Cure Dragon 255 » Mon Mar 24, 2014 10:11 pm

I know its freakin stupid, but you have to understand. Toonzai was the dying breath of 4kidsOnTheCW block. It gets VERY few if any adverstisers,so BS&P went crazy to remove anything even REMOTELY OFFENSIVE. Trust me, once you get past some silly edits its the good ol' DBZ of our youth's. And keep in mind I grew up in Latin America where DBZ was uncut, with the Kikuchi score and all.

Oh and the Android Saga tones the censorship down.

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Post by Kakarot88 » Mon Mar 24, 2014 10:12 pm

Sean Schemmel is amazing!! That parroting is just amazing, I wonder if he's ever used that ability to punk people :lol:
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Post by El Diabeetus » Tue Mar 25, 2014 2:12 am

Kakarot88 wrote:Sean Schemmel is amazing!! That parroting is just amazing, I wonder if he's ever used that ability to punk people :lol:
Definitely has his Sabat impression down, haha! Considering he seems to dick around every once in a while. It seems like he'd mess with people with it.

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Post by bkev » Tue Mar 25, 2014 2:36 am

As I understand it, Schemmel convinced 4Kids to work with Okratron after only doing a few of these dubbed-over lines and any replacements from there on were in fact done by the usual actors. I wouldn't be able to pull out a source, though.
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Post by Weejus » Tue Mar 25, 2014 3:00 am

I know it has nothing to do with Schemmel, but why is Shenron removed from the Toonzai intro?

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Post by TheBlackPaladin » Tue Mar 25, 2014 3:43 am

My theory--and I emphasize that this is a theory--is that 4Kids anticipated being able to use the Nicktoons-edited version as-is, but discovered at the last second that even more dialogue edits were required. They didn't have enough time to ask FUNimation to re-do the dialogue for the first few episodes before the episodes had to air, so, since they had a voice actor nearby who was involved with the Kai dub--the same voice actor who played the lead character, as fortune would have it--they had him do some last-minute re-recording and asked him to do impressions of the characters in question. After that, they realized that for future reference, they'd need to coordinate with FUNimation a bit more so that the Toonzai-only dialogue edits could be handled by FUNimation's writing staff, and the actual edited dialogue recorded by the proper voice actors, rather than asking Schemmel to do everything.
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Post by KentalSSJ6 » Tue Mar 25, 2014 8:32 am

Weejus wrote:I know it has nothing to do with Schemmel, but why is Shenron removed from the Toonzai intro?
They were afraid it would scare children.

Personally id rather see Toonzai/4kids just erased off the map.
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Post by Ajay » Tue Mar 25, 2014 9:53 am

Wait...what?! That's Schemmel mimicking Sabat's Piccolo?!
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Post by B » Tue Mar 25, 2014 10:30 am

Wait, is that supposed to be Schemmel for every single Toonzai line? Because the only one that sounds like him(not really hard to tell) is the "GOKU DON'T DIE" Krillin line at the beginning. There's no way those God and Piccolo lines are anyone but Sabat, and I'm 99% sure that is still Sonny Strait in the "tell Chichi" scene.
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Post by TheAldella » Tue Mar 25, 2014 12:38 pm

B wrote:Wait, is that supposed to be Schemmel for every single Toonzai line? Because the only one that sounds like him(not really hard to tell) is the "GOKU DON'T DIE" Krillin line at the beginning. There's no way those God and Piccolo lines are anyone but Sabat, and I'm 99% sure that is still Sonny Strait in the "tell Chichi" scene.
Nope. I definitely heard Schemmel in all of those lines except for the ones Yemma and Kami had. His Piccolo is almost spot-on, but if you're trained in spotting Schemmel in 4kids dubs, then you can tell easily. It's also Schemmel in the Tell Chichi bit, as well.
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Post by Cure Dragon 255 » Tue Mar 25, 2014 1:25 pm

KentalSSJ6 wrote:
Weejus wrote:I know it has nothing to do with Schemmel, but why is Shenron removed from the Toonzai intro?
They were afraid it would scare children.

Personally id rather see Toonzai/4kids just erased off the map.
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Post by xXInfinite026Xx » Tue Mar 25, 2014 2:11 pm

bkev wrote:As I understand it, Schemmel convinced 4Kids to work with Okratron after only doing a few of these dubbed-over lines and any replacements from there on were in fact done by the usual actors. I wouldn't be able to pull out a source, though.
I've also heard this too. I know that I've seen a convention video in the past where Chris Aryes was explaining to the crowd how he had to go back and voice more TV dialogue lines for Freeza after he finished recording his part the series, which of course was after much of the edited Nicktoons premiere. I believe he even said that these rerecorded lines were specifically for the CW4-kids version, and that fans shouldn't judge the edited TV dialogue and to watch the uncut version for the real deal.

I know that Schemmel's recordings were only for the first several episodes, at least around where Vegeta appeared since I remember that he also stood in for a few of Vegeta's lines too. Afterwards the rest of the new TV lines where from the original actors themselves. I'm not quite sure where exactly the switch was made though.
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Post by Cure Dragon 255 » Tue Mar 25, 2014 2:16 pm

So Funimation DID tell fans that the DVD's were uncut and that they shouldnt think that what they see on TV is what they are getting on DVD/BR.

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Post by TheBlackPaladin » Tue Mar 25, 2014 2:21 pm

KentalSSJ6 wrote:
Weejus wrote:I know it has nothing to do with Schemmel, but why is Shenron removed from the Toonzai intro?
They were afraid it would scare children.

Personally id rather see Toonzai/4kids just erased off the map.
Y'know.....when I was younger, I loathed 4Kids, and I too wanted them to no longer exist (I had nothing against the voice actors, but I had nothing but contempt for the management's decisions that they made in adapting their anime properties). However, a couple things happened...

-Several 4Kids employees admitted that the company made mistakes, showing they weren't blind to their criticisms.
-They began putting up their shows online, with the original Japanese audio, for free--and in professionally-subtitled format.
-It was revealed that many of their edits were done at the behest of the original Japanese studios and the TV networks.

...So when they were finally gone, I didn't feel the sense of triumph that I thought I would. All I felt was a sense of pity, and even a little bit of sadness...because, even if I didn't like their edits, without them around, it was one more blow to the anime industry in the English-speaking world. I didn't absolve them of everything, but for me, their demise was surprisingly bittersweet, not triumphant.

Or, to sum it up, watch this episode of Yu-Gi-Oh! Abridged from 12:33 to 13:03...it's almost a word-for-word summary of how I feel about 4Kids now.
A "rather haggard" translation of a line from Future Gohan in DBZ, provided to FUNimation by Toei:
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Post by LordCrumb » Tue Mar 25, 2014 2:29 pm

dbboxkaifan wrote:Damn to this day I still feel a sour in my mouth whenever I hear "One Million Miles" because that isn't the same as 1 kilometre, it'd be like saying that £1 is the same as €1/$1 which isn't true, although to simply for their target audience was probably the most suitable way to go for.

I'm aware that US uses the Imperial system rather than Metric but for Dragon Ball Kai they should've tried to stick to the source material and say the exact amount in metres/kilometres.

Plus, on games (FPS/TPS) they use metres to measure the distances as well as other genres that I can't remember now.
Yeah why did they still keep that change in Kai? They did the same with changing Meters to Feet too (ie; "You have to be within 30 meters of the Androids" is now "30 Feet of the Androids").

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