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Some interesting new fun facts I've thought of.

Post by WhatTheDarn » Fri Dec 30, 2005 11:49 pm

Namu vs. Ranfan is the only Budokai battle we see that doesn't involve at least one pre-established character.

Trunks is the only character that fights all three forms of Cell. He fights Imperfect Cell when he goes back to the future, he fights Semi-Perfect Cell when he tries to stop him from transforming after he's absorbed #18, and he fights Perfect Cell as an USSJ2.

I'm pretty sure Piccolo, Kuririn, Trunks, #16 and Tenshinhan are the only characters that saw all three forms of Cell (at least in person.) Also, if you count the non-fighting forms, Trunks has seen all 5 forms of Cell.

Technically, Nail never dies.

Counting GT, Mr. Satan DOES indeed die by the very end of the series.

Contrary to popular belief, Goku has killed TONS of sentient beings: The fish at the beginning of DB, the pterodactyl in the same chapter, the octopus in the pirates' fortress, Sergeant Black, Tambourine, Drum, King Piccolo, Freeza in Trunks' timeline, King Kold in Trunks' alternate timeline, Yakon, Kid Buu, and tens of thousands of sentient animals he hunted while living in the wilderness.

Kuririn only killed some Saibamen and one of Freeza's lackeys. I don't think we ever even see Tenshinhan or Yamcha kill anyone.

I think Piccolo Jr. has only killed Radditz and a Saibaman.

Radditz was NOT killed by Piccolo's Makankosappo. Rather, Piccolo brought his fist down on him while he was dying on the ground.

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Post by Dayspring » Sat Dec 31, 2005 12:13 am

WhatTheDarn wrote:Technically, Nail never dies.
Yeah he does. I know where you're going with this, but Piccolo was killed by Chibi Buu, so Nail died along with him.
WhatTheDarn wrote:Radditz was NOT killed by Piccolo's Makankosappo. Rather, Piccolo brought his fist down on him while he was dying on the ground.
I disagree. We see him bring the fist up, but in the next panel he's commenting on how Radditz was "too far along." I think he bled out before Piccolo brought the fist down, so he didn't hit him at the last second. Either that, or Piccolo used a weak kikoha (the type Spopovitch used).
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Post by Socar15 » Sat Dec 31, 2005 12:16 am

Dayspring wrote:I disagree. We see him bring the fist up, but in the next panel he's commenting on how Radditz was "too far along." I think he bled out before Piccolo brought the fist down, so he didn't hit him at the last second. Either that, or Piccolo used a weak kikoha (the type Spopovitch used).
I don't remember exactly happened in the anime, but in the manga, it ends with Raditz laughing about how they only have about a year left until his Saiyajin partners come to Earth. Piccolo shoots some ki at him, and then says something along the lines of: "Still laughing? I thought not". I thought I remembered something along those lines happening in the anime, but I could be mistaken.

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Post by Dayspring » Sat Dec 31, 2005 12:24 am

Socar15 wrote:
Dayspring wrote:I disagree. We see him bring the fist up, but in the next panel he's commenting on how Radditz was "too far along." I think he bled out before Piccolo brought the fist down, so he didn't hit him at the last second. Either that, or Piccolo used a weak kikoha (the type Spopovitch used).
I don't remember exactly happened in the anime, but in the manga, it ends with Raditz laughing about how they only have about a year left until his Saiyajin partners come to Earth. Piccolo shoots some ki at him, and then says something along the lines of: "Still laughing? I thought not". I thought I remembered something along those lines happening in the anime, but I could be mistaken.
It's a kikoha, then. You don't see a ki blast, you see a bunch of lines on his hand.
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Post by Eclipse » Sat Dec 31, 2005 12:40 am

So a kikoha is simply an attack where the user sticks his palm out in front of the target, and therefore (if the target's alive), sends them a few meters back? I thought it was called a 'ki shout'.
I'm pretty sure Piccolo, Kuririn, Trunks, #16 and Tenshinhan are the only characters that saw all three forms of Cell (at least in person.)
Wasn't Piccolo unconsious when Cell transformed to his 2nd Form? I thought Cell had apparently broken his neck, then transformed.
Sergeant Black, Tambourine, Drum, King Piccolo, Freeza in Trunks' timeline, King Kold in Trunks' alternate timeline, Yakon, Kid Buu, and tens of thousands of sentient animals he hunted while living in the wilderness.
You also forgot the dozens of Red Ribbon Army soldiers he killed during Goku's siege on RR.

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Post by Socar15 » Sat Dec 31, 2005 12:47 am

Eclipse wrote:So a kikoha is simply an attack where the user sticks his palm out in front of the target, and therefore (if the target's alive), sends them a few meters back? I thought it was called a 'ki shout'.
The Kikouha actually is a term from the attack list in the 7th Daizenshuu, which basically describes it as a standard energy blast. I don't think Piccolo actually ever shouted when he did it.

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Post by Great Saiyaman » Sat Dec 31, 2005 1:13 am

I believe it's called Kiai in the Viz Manga, it's more of less a strong burst of chi.
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Post by Dayspring » Sat Dec 31, 2005 1:18 am

Socar15 wrote:
Eclipse wrote:So a kikoha is simply an attack where the user sticks his palm out in front of the target, and therefore (if the target's alive), sends them a few meters back? I thought it was called a 'ki shout'.
The Kikouha actually is a term from the attack list in the 7th Daizenshuu, which basically describes it as a standard energy blast. I don't think Piccolo actually ever shouted when he did it.
He shouts "Zuaaaa!"

What's a "kiai ho"? Suddenly I think I'm mixing up the name for generic ki blasts with all forms of ki attacks.
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Post by Socar15 » Sat Dec 31, 2005 1:26 am

Dayspring wrote:He shouts "Zuaaaa!"
I stand corrected. I actually went back and checked, and apparently Viz decided to change it to, "GAAAA!". That prompted me to go back and check the Japanese manga, which has him shouting ずあつ!!!!! which does indeed translate to Zuaaa.

And I've never heard of this "Kiai".

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Post by Duo » Sat Dec 31, 2005 2:10 am

"Kiai" Is the term used in DBZ for when a user shouts with such force that it strikes opponents like a weak Chi blast. Goku uses this against Vegeta when using the Kaio-ken, Gohan used it when thwarting the bank robbers in Satan city, and many other occasions...

It's also a real Martial Arts term, used for when you yell during a punch. It gives your punch more power, somehow.

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Post by Great Saiyaman » Sat Dec 31, 2005 2:23 am

Goku also used it to knock back Jeice & Burter.
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Post by Socar15 » Sat Dec 31, 2005 2:30 am

As it turns out, Ki Ai actually was in the Daizenshuu 7 attack list as well. It basically describes it as a ki wave created when the user shouts, and it lists Uub as the example.

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Post by Duo » Sat Dec 31, 2005 3:23 am

Great Saiyaman wrote:Goku also used it to knock back Jeice & Burter.
Duo wrote:Goku uses this against Vegeta when using the Kaio-ken, Gohan used it when thwarting the bank robbers in Satan city, and many other occasions...
Hence why I said that...

One thing that got me is that Goku called an exchange he had with Freeza usage of "Kiai'" and yet they didn't yell...though I prefer to assume that was Viz's error. Maybe I'll ask Julian.

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Post by WhatTheDarn » Sat Dec 31, 2005 4:23 am

Yes, Piccolo was unconcious when Cell went to his second form. However, he, along with everyone else, saw Cell's second form at the Cell Games.


EDIT: Anyway, add your own interesting facts. New ones, though, not obvious ones that have been floating around the internet for years.

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Post by Duo » Sat Dec 31, 2005 4:56 am

How about that Freeza's forms were actually supressions of power to keep himself under control?

Or that...actually, that's the only thing I can think of that's even remotely interesting, and everyone probably knows it.

Oh well.

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Post by Dayspring » Sat Dec 31, 2005 11:34 am

Duo wrote:How about that Freeza's forms were actually supressions of power to keep himself under control?
Was that physical control AND emotional? I found his beastly third form to be very agressive for no reason, and then it wanted to transform into the final stage just for the sake of showing he could be even more devastating. There must have been a reason he'd never shown his trump cards, now he's showing all of them when he doesn't need to?

A theory I had been toying with is that each form is like what SSJ, USSJ and USSJ2 are to Saiyans; they take up more energy to maintain that state naturally. I get the feeling that the second form is like SSJ: pretty much the only energy being used is in the transformation itself, so he looks similar to his first form. Then the third form is a drastic change, as USSJ is a drastic change from SSJ, causing more stress in the transformation change and more energy consumption. Then the fourth form is like USSJ2 for the same reasons.

Another possibility could be that it saves energy, something Freeza claims to be the case, which might be the reason why fourth form Freeza, upon transforming, was only half as strong as his maximum. If this is the case, I feel he'd always be the small, skinny Freeza at max if he always remained in fourth form.

Something I was writing for a fanfic was that Freeza's race was like the Nameks: combattants and non-combattants. First form was most of the population (non-combattants), while the second form was the one used by the rest of the race (combattants). The latter was capable of transforming into non-combattant form, while a small number elite, under MUCH stress (like the amount of a stress it takes certain elite Saiyans to make the moonlight ball), could transform into the third form. I wrote it so that Freeza was the first of his race to transform into the fourth form.

Back on topic: You're right, Whatthedarn. Cell reverted to his second form when he spat out #18.
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Post by Great Saiyaman » Sat Dec 31, 2005 5:25 pm

A theory I had been toying with is that each form is like what SSJ, USSJ and USSJ2 are to Saiyans; they take up more energy to maintain that state naturally.
That's always been my theory, he ascends further but stays in his Base Form to conserve power (Like Saiyans).

I mean just think, I know it's a movie, but why ould Toei make Cooler Ascend to a 5'th Form. It doesn't seem logical, Toei would know if Freeza's normal form is his final.
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Post by Chaos Saiyajin » Sat Dec 31, 2005 9:33 pm

Here's a fun fact for ya! Bulma's the only woman show topless in Dragonball! :P

:) I'm such a perv!
I really, really need to get back into the habit of posting.

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Post by Eclipse » Sat Dec 31, 2005 9:50 pm

One thing that got me is that Goku called an exchange he had with Freeza usage of "Kiai'" and yet they didn't yell...though I prefer to assume that was Viz's error. Maybe I'll ask Julian.
Nah....If I remember, Supreme Kai did the same thing during the Majin Buu arc. 3 or 4 times, in fact

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Post by Rocketman » Sat Dec 31, 2005 10:27 pm

Great Saiyaman wrote:I mean just think, I know it's a movie, but why ould Toei make Cooler Ascend to a 5'th Form. It doesn't seem logical, Toei would know if Freeza's normal form is his final.
For the same reason SSj3 Goku is stronger than Mystic Gohan in Movie 13. Or how there's another Saiyan still alive in movie 3. Etc., etc.

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