Villians reactions to stronger fighters from later seasons?

[MasterVampire]

So I was thinking today what would the reactions of evil characters like Cell, Freeza and Broly be if they were faced with a stronger opponent from later on in the series?

For example what would Freezers reaction be if after he was done beating the crap out of Vegeta and was ready to kill everyone but Goku was still far from healed but then Android 18 showed up and wanted to fight him? Oh look at this its just some Earthling girl she looks scrawny and no threat. WTF she is toying with me even when I’m at 100%? WTF???!

Or what if Beerus showed up at the Cell games and wanted to fight Cell first? (Ok that might be over kill)
Hmmm I haven't seen this cat looking guy before. I’m guessing he is no threat. WTF I can’t do anything to him?! He just lightly hit me once and I’m so badly damaged? Who is he! WTF IS HE? WTF IS GOING ON?!

And Broly if faced with maybe…. Super Buu?
WTF I keep blowing up him but he comes back?! I can’t hurt him at all! OMG he is killing me! WTF Kakarot who is this guy you brought here with you?!!!


Etc…

I just think It would be really interesting to watch and also see their big ego’s get crushed.

[xJeffx]

There was scene like that in anime. Most of previous villains watched the fight between ssj3 Goku and kid buu through a giant crystal ball.

[Legendary Saiya-Jin]

The best example, that's even actually happened, is probably Trunks killing 18 and 17.

[B]

What if Freeza showed up on Earth, like, a decade later for revenge, and ran into Great Saiyaman-era Gohan? I bet that would be a crazy mash-up.

[Kamiccolo9]

What if Freeza showed up on Earth, like, a decade later for revenge, and ran into Great Saiyaman-era Gohan? I bet that would be a crazy mash-up.

That happened in Movie 12. IIRC, Freeza remembers who Gohan is, and Gohan proceeds to one-shot him.

[chaospunishment]

and broly if faced with maybe…. Super Buu?
WTF I keep blowing him up

How?


They would act like Cell did to Gohan or #17/18 did to Trunks.

Frieza already got pissed off at Goku so his reaction would be the same.

[Fizzer]

It's kind of the other way around, but I always wondered about if perfect Cell just sort of popped out of nowhere in place of Raditz. I really just wanted to know how people would react to sensing his energy, considering how they reacted to Raditz.

[xmysticgohanx]

It's kind of the other way around, but I always wondered about if perfect Cell just sort of popped out of nowhere in place of Raditz. I really just wanted to know how people would react to sensing his energy, considering how they reacted to Raditz.

That would be funny

[Adamant]

What if Freeza showed up on Earth, like, a decade later for revenge, and ran into Great Saiyaman-era Gohan? I bet that would be a crazy mash-up.

That happened in Movie 12. IIRC, Freeza remembers who Gohan is, and Gohan proceeds to one-shot him.

Pretty much what happens in the Jump special, too. Avo and Cado have a reputation as some of the strongest fighters in the universe, and Goku just lets a pair of 7 year olds take care of them because they're too weak for the adults to bother with.

[freezamite]

For example what would Freezers reaction be if after he was done beating the crap out of Vegeta and was ready to kill everyone but Goku was still far from healed but then Android 18 showed up and wanted to fight him? Oh look at this its just some Earthling girl she looks scrawny and no threat. WTF she is toying with me even when I’m at 100%? WTF???!

I don't think that's the best example (in my opinion 100% Freezer crushes every android besides Perfect Cell) but we've had tons of reactions similar to that. I mean, even if he was weaker, Vegeta still faced Freezer thinking he was much stronger. So Vegeta's multiple reactions in front of stronger enemies serve as a good measure of how other villians would react.

[Cursed Lemon]

I've always wanted to see Broly get a systematic beatdown, a la what Gohan did to Cell.

[xmysticgohanx]

I don't think that's the best example (in my opinion 100% Freezer crushes every android besides Perfect Cell)

That would be impossible since SSJ Vegeta was no match for 16, 17, and 18 and Vegeta was stated to have surpassed post 3 year training Goku.

[Pantalones]

I don't think that's the best example (in my opinion 100% Freezer crushes every android besides Perfect Cell)

Wait, what?? How does that even work? Android 18 beat the crap out of SSj Vegeta, who was equal or a bit stronger than SSj Goku at the time... and this was not the Goku who fought Freeza, but a Goku who had been training for three years. And that was three years of training on top of already being so strong he could stop Trunks' sword with one finger (...this is the same guy that effortlessly turned Freeza into sliced-up chunks before.)

I can see #19 or #20 maybe being weaker than Freeza at 100% was, but any of the others? There is just no way that can make sense.

It's one thing to say that you think Freeza should've been stronger, but as far as what actually happened in the series... he just isn't.

[Marco Polo]

A perfect example in the series is Raditz showing up when Piccolo was still a villain.

[Saiga]

I don't think that's the best example (in my opinion 100% Freezer crushes every android besides Perfect Cell)

Wait, what?? How does that even work? Android 18 beat the crap out of SSj Vegeta, who was equal or a bit stronger than SSj Goku at the time... and this was not the Goku who fought Freeza, but a Goku who had been training for three years. And that was three years of training on top of already being so strong he could stop Trunks' sword with one finger (...this is the same guy that effortlessly turned Freeza into sliced-up chunks before.)

I can see #19 or #20 maybe being weaker than Freeza at 100% was, but any of the others? There is just no way that can make sense.

It's one thing to say that you think Freeza should've been stronger, but as far as what actually happened in the series... he just isn't.

Freezamite's of the belief that because Freeza was injured he wasn't REALLY at 100% and 100% Freeza is equal to Perfect Cell in strength.

[Gogeta8001]

Was just strolling along the thread until I bumped into this...

For example what would Freezers reaction be if after he was done beating the crap out of Vegeta and was ready to kill everyone but Goku was still far from healed but then Android 18 showed up and wanted to fight him? Oh look at this its just some Earthling girl she looks scrawny and no threat. WTF she is toying with me even when I’m at 100%? WTF???!

I don't think that's the best example (in my opinion 100% Freezer crushes every android besides Perfect Cell) but we've had tons of reactions similar to that. I mean, even if he was weaker, Vegeta still faced Freezer thinking he was much stronger. So Vegeta's multiple reactions in front of stronger enemies serve as a good measure of how other villians would react.

Tell me your just kidding right? Please? Pretty Please?

[Kaboom]

It's been an addressed point of contention before, that's all I'll say. Let's just leave it be, please.

[mAcChaos]

But if Freeza 100% could crush anyone but Cell why did he lose on Namek.

[Pantalones]

Freezamite's of the belief that because Freeza was injured he wasn't REALLY at 100% and 100% Freeza is equal to Perfect Cell in strength.

Ohhhh. Okay. Saying he should be at Perfect Cell level in perfectly-healthy-100% is completely absurd, but... I guess I can see where he's coming from with the "Freeza might not have been at his true 100% power due to injuries" thing. He did lose a chunk of his tail and get Spirit Bombed and so on before things finally got to the point of 100% Freeza vs. SSj Goku, after all.

Maybe 100% Freeza could be a bit higher than 120,000,000. But losing the vast majority of his true strength due to the injuries he had (especially considering his species seems to be able to live with pretty much any injury that doesn't kill them right away), like he would've had to if he was around Cell's level, just can't be right. It also doesn't fit with anything about Freeza's power that we know (Any of the Kaioshin being able to one-hit-kill him, for example. South Kaioshin sure, but can anyone seriously imagine East Kaioshin one-shotting Perfect Cell, even ignoring the possibility of regeneration?? Absolutely nothing implies that he's that powerful. Heck, someone on Cell's level--Dabura--is still considered to be a worthy opponent at this point in the story, while East Kaioshin is usually portrayed as being pretty wimpy compared to the main fighters. Also, Cell--even in Imperfect form--has to be stronger than Freeza, by definition, considering that he's basically Freeza+Cold+Piccolo+Saiyans+etc. and should have the best bits of every race he's composed of, and comes pre-programmed with their ki signatures and techniques.)

[freezamite]

Wow I didn't think there would be so much polemic when I remember discussing those points here (of course on other threads). If someone wants to discuss that it would be better to do so on the proper threads and leave this one to the topic it was created for.