Dragon Ball Minus canonicity

[WolfXll]

I've read recently Dragon Ball Minus,and there's some plot holes through the whole thing.
Bardock's saiyan armor was replaced,and Kakaroto's not a saiyan baby,but a young boy around the time he was sent to planet earth,maybe at the same age as Goten when he 1st appeared in the tv series/manga,and he was using a saiyan armor as well.

If Jaco the Galactic Patrolman's a prequel to Dragon Ball,that makes this "canon"?!

[VegettoEX]

This thread basically asks the same question (just branching off from Episode of Bardock), and my response is basically the same.

Basically:

- There isn't an officially-sponsored "TRUE CANON" to the series
- There are certainly continuities, and certain things can't fit with other things
- How do you want to define "canon"...?
- Do you care what other people think about your definition...?

[Hellspawn28]

I think Goku was a year old in DB-. A lot of the stuff in Goku's origin was only shown in the anime only and never in the manga. I enjoy DB- since we never seen Bardock that much in the manga or Goku's true origin. EOB was bad since it was a bad fan fiction animated on screen.

[DBZGTKOSDH]

Goku is a 3-year-old baby in Dragon Ball Minus. We never saw how Goku looked like when he arrived on Earth in the manga, baby Goku is filler. Dragon Ball Minus only contradicts the anime, not the manga.

[Gokuden]

Well Wolfman, when they say straight from the horse's mouth, they actually mean it, not literally though.

As you know, Toriyama is behind the official manga, and he is also behind Dragon Ball Minus, and Jaco the Galactic sentient being forest ranger of the universe.

Toei is the one behind the anime, but he did make a few filler stories for them.
Hmm, tough one, if you adhere to both the manga, and the selected filler.

But, as every long-standing fan of any series must endure, there are things they call 'retcons', and within this dimension rests changes... Changes that can officially be announced, or steathily integrated.

As for Goku being an infant in the anime, whereas he is a late toddler/early childhood in the manga minus, which is a recent work of Toriyama.

I see no contradictions here. Both are different works, one is of the interpretation of Toei, and how a Saiyan baby would look, whereas the other would be how Toriyama supervising someone's art style would be how a saiyan baby would look in the official manga.

Believe it or not, I think Goku still had some growing to do in his lab pod, before leaving for Earth, but Bardock wanted him out of Vegeta.

[B]

Kakaroto's not a saiyan baby

Step 1: Inject a serum directly into your cerebellum until you forget anything animated exists.
Step 2: Re-read Volume 17 very, very closely. Pay attention to the art. Pay attention to the exact wording of Kame Sennin.

Bardock's saiyan armor was replaced,

Re-read Minus. There is an entire month between Goku being sent off to Earth and Bardock's last stand against Freeza. Obviously, Bardock would never change his outfit. He's a smelly fighting meathead, and a cartoon character.

[Mr.Judge]

I would Consider Akira Toriyama under the supervision of capable Editor(oversee the minor details of earlier manga) as CANON, since he is particularly known to cause inconsistencies without any PR/Editor.

Definitely not a fan of Goku's Beginning being turned into something very similar to Superman.

The original Goku's Beginning is much better because even if he being an alien didn't overlap over Superman's beginning.

Planet Destruction doesn't even play much of a role in earlier version of Goku's Beginning.

1- Goku being sent to Earth as new born to conquer Planet Earth > DB minus caring father sending his son so he could escape from planet's destruction at a slightly older age.[Age part doesn't make much of a difference]
2- Bardock as saiyan father > Bardock as caring father.

[Mewzard]

I would Consider Akira Toriyama under the supervision of capable Editor(oversee the minor details of earlier manga) as CANON, since he is particularly known to cause inconsistencies without any PR/Editor.

Definitely not a fan of Goku's Beginning being turned into something very similar to Superman.

The original Goku's Beginning is much better because even if he being an alien didn't overlap over Superman's beginning.

Planet Destruction doesn't even play much of a role in earlier version of Goku's Beginning.

1- Goku being sent to Earth as new born to conquer Planet Earth > DB minus caring father sending his son so he could escape from planet's destruction at a slightly older age.[Age part doesn't make much of a difference]
2- Bardock as saiyan father > Bardock as caring father.

Worth a note, the age makes sense. Battle of Gods' timeline requires Goku be older than just born when Vegeta blows up given the year gap we were given iirc.

Goku's Saiyan origin was always close to Superman's origin, and I've thought as much from the first time I watched DBZ and learned of Goku's origin. Yes, the Saiyan race is different than the Kryptonians, but the idea is similar.

Hell, in the Bardock Special, Bardock tries to warn the Saiyan people of their coming deaths but is ignored. Jor-El (father of Kal-El, aka Clark Kent aka Superman) also tried to warn his people of their planet's incoming destruction, but was also ignored. Clearly Toei thought of similarities too.

What's wrong with Bardock being a caring father? Creatures who give birth to few children (especially one at a time) tend to care for their children for instinctual reasons. Their body understands that if their child dies, it reduces the chance of their genetics being passed on. A Saiyan caring about his child makes sense for that very reason.

Bardock wasn't shown as being any different otherwise anyways. He's still a guy going around murdering species for a job. The only difference is, he cares about his family. Even villains can love their families and still be evil.

Really, I like the change. It adds depth to see that light side in an otherwise cold blooded killer. Someone being pure good or pure evil isn't nearly as interesting as someone that fits more in the middle. Yeah, maybe leaning heavily to one side, but that little stain that makes them stand out. Maybe that mobster tips his waiter real good because he seems like someone who could succeed in college if he had a little bit of help and recognizes a younger, nicer him that could have turned out different if he had a little support. Maybe it's just a rare, minor instance of a good deed, but some part of him still holds onto that goodness deep within, buried under a hard life and forced hand.

Its those shades of gray that add to the three-dimensionality of a character.