Is It Possible For Evil Buu To Return?

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Is It Possible For Evil Buu To Return?

Post by SingleFringe&Sparks » Fri May 23, 2014 10:01 pm

According to Akira Toriyama, Majin Buu is a concept of personified evil created by magic. He was created from all the evil spirits of humans and thus became an entity of the force itself right? We know how Evil buu came to exist in the show, he was released from Mr. Buu seeing humans do bad things which caused Evil inside him to get stronger and thus release itself. Could that ever happen again say if some how Mr. Satan was destroyed in a cruel way, and was unable to be brought back along with the other Z fighters? Say if his beef with Beerus escalated? Or more likely if he was exposed to long long periods of time of human cruelty without Mr. Satan's friendship, after that... could another Evil Buu/Super Buu/Kid Buu come back?

I know someone will say that Bibidi creating Buu's personification was specifically necessary for Buu to exist (I'd argue the same thing) but just going by Akira Toriyama saying that Bibidi just released him from hibernation; nothing more.

I know the original was purified and turned into Uub but according to the Check-In station, masses and masses of evil spit is being filtered out from the universe of dead villains. Evil always exists thus Evil Buu would always potentially exist by the retcon's logic right?
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Re: Is It Possible For Evil Buu To Return?

Post by B » Sat May 24, 2014 12:17 am

But Buu is magic. By the "logic" of magic, there is no more evil for Buu to expel.
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Re: Is It Possible For Evil Buu To Return?

Post by SingleFringe&Sparks » Sat May 24, 2014 2:52 am

B wrote:But Buu is magic. By the "logic" of magic, there is no more evil for Buu to expel.
I'm saying if it were to build up again. Not necessarily from him being evil but being subjected to it the way Piccolo was.
Zephyr wrote:The fandom's collective fetishizing of "moments" is also ridiculous to me. No, not everyone needs a fucking "shine" moment. If that's all you want, then all you want is fanservice, rather than an actual coherent story. And of course those aren't mutually exclusive; you could have a coherent story with "shine" moments! But if a story is perfectly coherent (and I'm really not seeing any compelling arguments that this one is anything but, despite constantly recurring, really poorly reasoned, attempts to argue otherwise), and you're bemoaning the lack of "shine" moments as a reason for the story's poor quality, then you're letting your thirst for "shine" moments obfuscate your ability to detect basic storytelling when it's right in front of you.

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Re: Is It Possible For Evil Buu To Return?

Post by TheDevilsCorpse » Sat May 24, 2014 3:03 am

B wrote:But Buu is magic. By the "logic" of magic, there is no more evil for Buu to expel.
But by the "logic" of Buu, I figure pretty much anything is fair game with the Majin. Though Buu building up more evil to expel by living amongst humans would be a better explanation by this point, if Toriyama or another writer wants to, all it would take is a second shooting of Mr. Satan or Bee to stir up more feelings of extreme anger for another evil version Buu to manifest. I wouldn't have trouble buying it either, because "lol Buu and magic".
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Re: Is It Possible For Evil Buu To Return?

Post by Hitiro » Sat May 24, 2014 5:01 am

Would this not lead to an even weaker Mr. Boo and Pure Evil Boo then? Because:
Strength Checker wrote:Chapter: 485 (DBZ 291), P7.4
Context: as the two Boos fight
Narrator: “The original Majin Boo had no chance of winning...This was because during the split, the majority of the power went to the evil one…"
This makes it sounds as if the strength of Pure Evil Boo had been taken straight from Good Boo?

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Re: Is It Possible For Evil Buu To Return?

Post by SingleFringe&Sparks » Sat May 24, 2014 1:10 pm

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B wrote:But Buu is magic. By the "logic" of magic, there is no more evil for Buu to expel.
But by the "logic" of Buu, I figure pretty much anything is fair game with the Majin. Though Buu building up more evil to expel by living amongst humans would be a better explanation by this point, if Toriyama or another writer wants to, all it would take is a second shooting of Mr. Satan or Bee to stir up more feelings of extreme anger for another evil version Buu to manifest. I wouldn't have trouble buying it either, because "lol Buu and magic".
If all Bibidi did was revive him from wherever he existed than there isn't any reason for it not to reoccur by other means. Buu is a concept of abstract existance so Evil Buu can be anything its given form to I think. The Majin aspect of him is just what Bibidi used to control him.

Evil Buu could probably return the same way Gohan's "hidden power" is randomly released. Something has to get Mr. Buu angry enough with some sort of heartbreaking trauma.
Zephyr wrote:The fandom's collective fetishizing of "moments" is also ridiculous to me. No, not everyone needs a fucking "shine" moment. If that's all you want, then all you want is fanservice, rather than an actual coherent story. And of course those aren't mutually exclusive; you could have a coherent story with "shine" moments! But if a story is perfectly coherent (and I'm really not seeing any compelling arguments that this one is anything but, despite constantly recurring, really poorly reasoned, attempts to argue otherwise), and you're bemoaning the lack of "shine" moments as a reason for the story's poor quality, then you're letting your thirst for "shine" moments obfuscate your ability to detect basic storytelling when it's right in front of you.

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Re: Is It Possible For Evil Buu To Return?

Post by mAcChaos » Sat May 24, 2014 1:57 pm

Wasn't Vegeta afraid of that happening? That's why he didn't want to spare Mr. Buu when they beat Kid Buu.

Mr. Buu is innocent and good now, but there's no reason people can't change. If he was to be exposed to the evil of humans over time, just like Kami, he could end up having evil in his heart again. Then he would just need something to force it out just like last time.

Also I wonder if this means that after Uub and Mr. Buu die of old age or whatever, that Kid Buu can reappear in his original form again some time millions of years in the future. When you look at it that way the universe seems doomed no matter what.
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Re: Is It Possible For Evil Buu To Return?

Post by B » Sat May 24, 2014 2:07 pm

So I guess the question is which is the bigger assumption: Buu can't regain more evil tendencies, or he can? I mean, the entire concept of "evil" being a thing you can just sweat out of your body if you felt inclined to is already ridiculous...
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Re: Is It Possible For Evil Buu To Return?

Post by SingleFringe&Sparks » Sat May 24, 2014 5:21 pm

B wrote:So I guess the question is which is the bigger assumption: Buu can't regain more evil tendencies, or he can? I mean, the entire concept of "evil" being a thing you can just sweat out of your body if you felt inclined to is already ridiculous...
Evil in Dragonball is negative ki, ki is just spirit energy. Evil isnt something you sweat out, its apart of your "heart" wether it be pure or corrupt hence Babidi's evil possession magic. Its not an assumption, its a speculation on the conditions being possible or not. Based on what Akira Toriyama confirmed, it suggests that it is entirely possible - and never before implied not to be. Mr. Satan was the only reason it wasnt very likely.
Zephyr wrote:The fandom's collective fetishizing of "moments" is also ridiculous to me. No, not everyone needs a fucking "shine" moment. If that's all you want, then all you want is fanservice, rather than an actual coherent story. And of course those aren't mutually exclusive; you could have a coherent story with "shine" moments! But if a story is perfectly coherent (and I'm really not seeing any compelling arguments that this one is anything but, despite constantly recurring, really poorly reasoned, attempts to argue otherwise), and you're bemoaning the lack of "shine" moments as a reason for the story's poor quality, then you're letting your thirst for "shine" moments obfuscate your ability to detect basic storytelling when it's right in front of you.

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Re: Is It Possible For Evil Buu To Return?

Post by RandomGuy96 » Sun May 25, 2014 5:23 pm

Well for starters, nothing you said in the OP is really true. Buu isn't a personified evil spirit or anything complicated like that, he's just a freak lab experiment created by a powerful wizard.

But even going by Toriyama's ass-pull explanation rather than the actual manga written twenty years earlier, I don't think what you're saying is whatcha meant. He was trying to say Buu had no real origin, or at least not one that's known. The whole thing about absorbing the evils of mankind is extremely confusing, but given what he says about Buu in the same question (that he's existed since time immemorial and goes on planet destroying rampages and long hibernations), it's highly unlikely that's what he meant.

Anyway, I think Evil Buu is just a manifestation of Pure Buu's essence inside Fat Buu, which is basically Pure Buu polluted by a piece of Kaioshin influence. While it may be possible for Mr. Buu to create another Buu of pure evil by taking in humanity's evil and then expelling it, I think it'd follow a whole different set of rules compared to the Evil Buu we know, and might not even look like him (Evil Buu).
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Re: Is It Possible For Evil Buu To Return?

Post by B » Sun May 25, 2014 6:13 pm

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B wrote:So I guess the question is which is the bigger assumption: Buu can't regain more evil tendencies, or he can? I mean, the entire concept of "evil" being a thing you can just sweat out of your body if you felt inclined to is already ridiculous...
Evil in Dragonball is negative ki, ki is just spirit energy. Evil isnt something you sweat out, its apart of your "heart" wether it be pure or corrupt hence Babidi's evil possession magic. Its not an assumption, its a speculation on the conditions being possible or not. Based on what Akira Toriyama confirmed, it suggests that it is entirely possible - and never before implied not to be. Mr. Satan was the only reason it wasnt very likely.
Alright, re-reading the translation at Kanzenshuu, that is what it says. The evil influence of man caused Buu to get more and more violent. I suppose it's possible for it to happen, but I'd say the big difference is originally, this happened to the original, tiny Buu, completely untouched by Bibidi or anyone. The current Buu has, A) expelled all of his evil, and B) is predominantly influenced by the Dai Kaioshin. If anything, it's not as simple as "Buu gets really angry again."

I'm immediately reminded of the filler episode where Buu goes about town and remembers Satan's warnings about getting angry. I guess to Toei twenty years ago, they believed it was still a problem.
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Re: Is It Possible For Evil Buu To Return?

Post by mAcChaos » Tue May 27, 2014 12:19 pm

Maybe it's like Warhammer 40k with the Warp and people's emotions and thoughts influencing it.
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Re: Is It Possible For Evil Buu To Return?

Post by SingleFringe&Sparks » Sat Jun 07, 2014 5:55 pm

After rewatching the last bit of the Buu saga, I find it is actually possible Evil Buu could come back. Vegeta even asks the same question. All it takes is if Mr. Buu to get really angry, enough to want to kill someone and then if he were mad enough to blow smoke. It could happen, there was that scene in the ice-cream store with Buu in the city that suggested this. Not to mention if Majin Buu is the personification of evil energy, he'd always exist as a figment of the universe.
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Re: Is It Possible For Evil Buu To Return?

Post by IgnorantFuniFan » Wed Jul 09, 2014 12:42 pm

Maybe Buu only becomes evil if he physically absorbs something and assumes its evil characteristics. Now that Buu has completely pure motives, it's likely that he won't turn people into candy and absorb them anymore. In fact,
He probably helps the planet by turning trash and litter into candy and devouring it, therefore making things cleaner lol...
However, it's obvious that Buu's gullible tendencies to listen to anyone (he followed babidi's orders until one dude said it's wrong, and mr. FREAKING satan got him to stop killing all together), he might turn evil again from hanging out with the wrong people.
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Re: Is It Possible For Evil Buu To Return?

Post by SingleFringe&Sparks » Tue Jul 22, 2014 4:08 pm

If Good Buu was some how able to consume Kid Buu would he turn back into Super Buu or some kind of brand new Good Super Buu?
Zephyr wrote:The fandom's collective fetishizing of "moments" is also ridiculous to me. No, not everyone needs a fucking "shine" moment. If that's all you want, then all you want is fanservice, rather than an actual coherent story. And of course those aren't mutually exclusive; you could have a coherent story with "shine" moments! But if a story is perfectly coherent (and I'm really not seeing any compelling arguments that this one is anything but, despite constantly recurring, really poorly reasoned, attempts to argue otherwise), and you're bemoaning the lack of "shine" moments as a reason for the story's poor quality, then you're letting your thirst for "shine" moments obfuscate your ability to detect basic storytelling when it's right in front of you.

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Re: Is It Possible For Evil Buu To Return?

Post by Luke Groundwalker » Sun Jul 27, 2014 11:05 pm

I suppose it's possible, but it's not like it would do anything significant since the characters are much more powerful than he is. It'd be like Freeza or Cell coming back basically, lol.

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Re: Is It Possible For Evil Buu To Return?

Post by CordonBloo » Tue Jul 29, 2014 3:48 pm

If you view the current incarnation of Boo as being a descendant of that original Boo, and that a large portion of Boo's power was destroyed and reincarnated as Oob, then even if Mr. Boo was somehow able to return to that original state he would not be as powerful, unless he trained for a long time... But I can't see him doing that.

In Dragon Ball Online the Djinn equivalent of the 'Super Saiyan' transformation was to revert back to that original form temporarily. You lost access to all your skills but you acquired a power boost, and access to two exclusive attacks which were essentially the Vanishing Ball and something else I forget. But in DBO, all of Mr. Boo's power was divided amongst the djinn race and as such their average power became comparable to that of the humans and the namekians.
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