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Will we ever truly get the Complete BGM set of DB?

Post by dbboxkaifan » Tue Jun 03, 2014 6:06 pm

I've heard the Dragon Ball tracks (2nd disc) on the 5-CD box but there's BGMs I wanted to listen to and they were missing, despite that it's titled "Great Complete Collection" (or something) it's definitely not complete.

Please Toei release an actual complete collection of the Dragon Ball BGMs.
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Post by JackyBoi99 » Wed Jun 04, 2014 2:24 am

I would love to hear the missing tracks, especially the tracks from the saiyajin saga.
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Re: Will we ever truly get the Complete BGM set of DB?

Post by Kojiro Sasaki » Wed Jun 04, 2014 4:54 am

dbboxkaifan wrote:I've heard the Dragon Ball tracks (2nd disc) on the 5-CD box but there's BGMs I wanted to listen to and they were missing, despite that it's titled "Great Complete Collection" (or something) it's definitely not complete.
大/dai - Big, large
全/zen - Entire, complete, all, overall
集/shū - Assembly, collection

大全集/Daizenshū - “Great Complete Collection” or “Large Entire Assembly” :lol: It contains less than ¼ of all the music from Dragon Ball TV series and movies. I have no idea why they called it like this. Maybe they planned to release all the music and forgot to change the name? Hell knows.
dbboxkaifan wrote:Please Toei release an actual complete collection of the Dragon Ball BGMs.
Extremely small group of people is now working on this. Make your contribution by copying and pasting this sentence here: https://reg18.smp.ne.jp/regist/is?SMPFO ... 5a5b4831f0
here: https://reg18.smp.ne.jp/regist/is?SMPFO ... 0f658aabed
and here: https://form.columbia.jp/company/ir/

Columbia gave me quite a detailed response about “why they used mono masters on CD releases from 20 years ago”. They still remember this music and they seem to care for what people are asking them.
Columbia is a business company. Releasing already produced music is not a big deal. If they notice that there is a market for such a thing, they will release it. We are fully responsible for making them realize this. Everything depends on us.

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Post by linkdude20002001 » Sun Jun 08, 2014 6:45 pm

Copy and paste what sentence?? Either you forgot to type it, or you misspoke. I'm not sure. Haha. :)
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Post by kenisu3000 » Mon Jun 09, 2014 12:05 am

linkdude20002001 wrote:Copy and paste what sentence?? Either you forgot to type it, or you misspoke. I'm not sure. Haha. :)
I believe he means the sentence he quoted from dbboxkaifan. From what Kojiro tells me, they have people who can read English-language feedback.
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Post by Kojiro Sasaki » Mon Jun 09, 2014 5:18 am

linkdude20002001 wrote:Copy and paste what sentence?? Either you forgot to type it, or you misspoke. I'm not sure. Haha. :)
dbboxkaifan wrote:Please Toei release an actual complete collection of the Dragon Ball BGMs.
This one :) I wrote it like this because I wanted to show how easy it is to make your own contribution.

Back in the days, I wrote a big message about greatness of DB, its international meaning etc. and I received reply saying that the guy from Consultation Center submit my request to his supervisors. They really read what people write and they seem to care for it, but they will not release a complete BGM collection especially for one crazy Kojiro... Take these links, spread them everywhere you can, write multiple times using different email and IP addresses! :) This is how capitalism works! The only thing they care for is money. If they see that there is a demand, they will release it! It is possible!

Don't pay attention to how naive it sounds. We are customers, not business strategists. Our task is to create a demand. Let's do our job and wait for their response. Sending an inquiry is not a big deal and a little bit of optimism will not hurt us :)

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Post by UltimateHammerBro » Mon Jun 09, 2014 10:37 am

Maybe we could ask someone to translate a petition sentence into Japanese and send it. I bet they'd take it a bit more seriously.
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Post by Valerius Dover » Mon Jun 09, 2014 3:40 pm

I don't know...

When have online petitions ever worked? I can't seem to find a single example of a petition being successful. Also, I don't think they have a reason to release more music from an anime aired over 20 years ago. It would be awesome, though. I'd be totally on board to support a full release of the score. Are we talking Dragon Ball as a whole or just the original series? I haven't seen Z and GT with the original score yet, so I'm not as familiar with it.
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Post by UltimateHammerBro » Mon Jun 09, 2014 5:22 pm

Valerius Dover wrote:I don't know...

When have online petitions ever worked? I can't seem to find a single example of a petition being successful.
Here in Spain, a petition started around a year and a half ago (I'm not sure about this though) asking for a theatrical release of BoG with, at least, a few of the original voice actors, many of which were retired. It worked, and now BoG is in theatres with all the original cast.
Valerius Dover wrote:Also, I don't think they have a reason to release more music from an anime aired over 20 years ago. It would be awesome, though. I'd be totally on board to support a full release of the score. Are we talking Dragon Ball as a whole or just the original series? I haven't seen Z and GT with the original score yet, so I'm not as familiar with it.
The Kikuchi score comprises both Dragon Ball and DBZ. It'd be awesome if we got GT's score too.
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Post by Valerius Dover » Mon Jun 09, 2014 5:42 pm

I have only heard a few select tracks from Z and GT that are from the original, but I can say GT's score actually intrigues me the most. Probably its unique sound. Also, not a single GT track has been released, apparently. The only exception being the tracks from DB Movie 4 which Tokunaga composed. In that case, every track from the movie was released in a single album. THAT'S how they should be doing it. Correct me if I'm wrong, but I think it's the only DB Franchise movie to have all of its music released.

This is what I know:

Dragon Ball Series
-Shunsuke Kikuchi (About 25% released)

Dragon Ball Movies
-Shunsuke Kikuchi (1-3, Not much released)
-Akihito Tokunaga (4, Everything Released)


I'm just listing what I know (or think I know) here. I know Funimation has even less reason to release the now somewhat obsolete American scores. Heck, they probably want to distance themselves from those days as much as possible now.

Dragon Ball Z Series
-Shunsuke Kikuchi (About 25% Released, I think)
-Nathan Johnson (US 1-67, Unreleased)
-Bruce Faulconer, Mike Smith, Scott Morgan, and Julius Dobos (US 68-291, About 25% Released)
-Dale Kelly, Mark Akin, and Andy Baylor (US Specials 1-2, Unreleased)

Dragon Ball Z Movies
-Shunsuke Kikuchi (1-13, 35% Released Total)
-Mark Menza (US 1, 6-9, and 11, Unreleased)
-Nathan Johnson (US 2-3, 10, and 12-13, Unreleased)
-Bruce Faulconer (US 8, Unreleased)

Dragon Ball GT
-Akihito Tokunaga (Unreleased)
-Mark Menza (Unreleased)
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Post by linkdude20002001 » Mon Jun 09, 2014 7:42 pm

Valerius Dover wrote:I don't know...

When have online petitions ever worked? I can't seem to find a single example of a petition being successful. Also, I don't think they have a reason to release more music from an anime aired over 20 years ago. It would be awesome, though. I'd be totally on board to support a full release of the score. Are we talking Dragon Ball as a whole or just the original series? I haven't seen Z and GT with the original score yet, so I'm not as familiar with it.
It was a petition which convinced Funimation to release uncut, bilingual DVDs. ;p
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Post by kenisu3000 » Tue Jun 10, 2014 4:23 am

I've been thinking very seriously about putting up a petition myself. But me being me, I feel like I have to make sure everything is just perfect. For one thing, I want to illustrate some kind of crazy, eye-catching piece of DragonBall fanart for the petition header, like I did for my DuckTales BGM petition.

As an aside, I'd also like to see the Dr. Slump - Arale-chan score get a complete release. All that was ever put out was an album that barely contains half the score to the second movie. Of course, most of the really good stuff did make it onto the CD, but that's hardly a drop in the pond when you look at the whole picture. I'm not sure if it would even be reasonable to ask that of Columbia, though, because if there's so much question as to whether or not we'll even get the '80s Slump TV series itself after the movies are released here, just think of how little a market there'd be for the musical score. It'd be like asking Columbia to bankrupt themselves.

But hey, as far as DragonBall goes, I do have plenty of hope for a release of that, if only we can get as many fans as possible roused enough to storm Columbia's inbox.
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Post by UltimateHammerBro » Tue Jun 10, 2014 8:04 am

kenisu3000 wrote:I've been thinking very seriously about putting up a petition myself. But me being me, I feel like I have to make sure everything is just perfect. For one thing, I want to illustrate some kind of crazy, eye-catching piece of DragonBall fanart for the petition header, like I did for my DuckTales BGM petition.

As an aside, I'd also like to see the Dr. Slump - Arale-chan score get a complete release. All that was ever put out was an album that barely contains half the score to the second movie. Of course, most of the really good stuff did make it onto the CD, but that's hardly a drop in the pond when you look at the whole picture. I'm not sure if it would even be reasonable to ask that of Columbia, though, because if there's so much question as to whether or not we'll even get the '80s Slump TV series itself after the movies are released here, just think of how little a market there'd be for the musical score. It'd be like asking Columbia to bankrupt themselves.

But hey, as far as DragonBall goes, I do have plenty of hope for a release of that, if only we can get as many fans as possible roused enough to storm Columbia's inbox.
If you're interested in Dr. Slump music, I can rip a few tracks. The quality won't be perfect, but it's better than nothing.
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Post by Kojiro Sasaki » Tue Jun 10, 2014 5:09 pm

UltimateHammerBro wrote:Maybe we could ask someone to translate a petition sentence into Japanese and send it. I bet they'd take it a bit more seriously.
I'm open to any ideas including extremely crazy or naive ones. Do you know somebody who could do that?
Valerius Dover wrote:I don't know...When have online petitions ever worked?
Back in the days, kei17 told me that many anime shows and manga books were released thanks to this site: http://www.tanomi.com I know about many other examples.
The biggest online petition in the history of my country grossed 27195 signatures. It was about... rerun of Dragon Ball on TV! :D
Valerius Dover wrote:I don't think they have a reason to release more music from an anime aired over 20 years ago.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dragon_Bal ... Collection

They did it 10 years after Dragon Ball Z ended - they can do it 20 years after the final episode airing :)
Valerius Dover wrote:Are we talking Dragon Ball as a whole or just the original series?
Nippon Columbia = Dragon Ball and Dragon Ball Z.
Dragon Ball GT = ZAIN Records (Being Group)

We need to write a separate letter/petition/message about GT music to ZAIN Records. Here is the contact link: http://beinggiza.com/contact.html
I believe that the entire music is owned by Toei Music, but record company is the one who decides if they can make money on something or not.
Valerius Dover wrote:I haven't seen Z and GT with the original score yet, so I'm not as familiar with it.
So, the greatest and most epic Dragon Ball experience still awaits you!
kenisu3000 wrote:But hey, as far as DragonBall goes, I do have plenty of hope for a release of that, if only we can get as many fans as possible roused enough to storm Columbia's inbox.
120% agree! That's exactly what we need to do. This is the letter I'm working on (unfinished):

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But Columbia will never release all the music just because of one letter. We need more of them!

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Post by InfernalVegito » Tue Jun 10, 2014 5:20 pm

I would gladly sign any petition that would bring us closer to hearing the entirety of Kikuchi and Tokunaga's work for sure.
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Post by Valerius Dover » Tue Jun 10, 2014 5:51 pm

Kojiro Sasaki wrote: So, the greatest and most epic Dragon Ball experience still awaits you!
I haven't seen the series in Japanese yet, but it's still on my to-do list. I have a whole lot of other stuff that I'm seeing. I think I'll probably get Dragon Ball Z Kai before I see DB, DBZ, and DBGT in Japanese (Availability isn't a problem, I have the bricks). DBZ Kai uses only released music, though, so any music I hear in that is already on the BGM Collection.

Still, I have heard a few select tracks, and I do have some favorite unreleased tracks from the original Dragon Ball. As someone who is a fan of both the Japanese (DB) and American (DBZ and DBGT) music, you guys have my full support!

You know, this is something that I don't like about soundtrack releases in general. Almost every movie and series has trouble with this. They always leave out some of the best tracks. Film Franchises like Star Wars suffer from this, too. A soundtrack album SHOULD have every track from the movie. Dragon Ball: The Path to Power is an example that everything else should follow. With a large amount of persuasion, we can make it happen! :thumbup:
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Post by kenisu3000 » Tue Jun 10, 2014 7:29 pm

Valerius Dover wrote:You know, this is something that I don't like about soundtrack releases in general. Almost every movie and series has trouble with this. They always leave out some of the best tracks. Film Franchises like Star Wars suffer from this, too. A soundtrack album SHOULD have every track from the movie.
The most unsettling thing about that is sometimes it's the composers themselves who choose to leave cues off albums. Their rationale for doing this is usually that it doesn't make for a "smooth listening experience" if every other track is a short bridge or stinger. This is also the reason that crossfading (blending cues together so that they actually overlap and you can't get a clean rip for your own playlist) plagues the film soundtrack industry: there's this idea that an album would be "unlistenable" unless it's all melded together into some kind of musical behemoth, which of course is nonsense. I do wish that labels and composers took what the customers want into greater consideration.
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Post by DBGod » Wed Jun 25, 2014 2:41 pm

Valerius Dover wrote: Dragon Ball GT
-Akihito Tokunaga (Unreleased)
I'm pretty sure I have a .zip on another HDD somewhere that has the entirety of this score in Hi-Fi Stereo.
If you have any Canadian dubbed recorded material and would like to preserve it, please PM me!
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DBGod wrote:
Valerius Dover wrote: Dragon Ball GT
-Akihito Tokunaga (Unreleased)
I'm pretty sure I have a .zip on another HDD somewhere that has the entirety of this score in Hi-Fi Stereo.
Please, just stop. No one is going to believe that you have unreleased music from DBGT in "Hi-Fi Stereo". You've already told us that you had access to "Hi-Fi Stereo recordings of the Westwood dub", which was disproven by KakarotWarrior.
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AnimeMaakuo wrote:
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Valerius Dover wrote: Dragon Ball GT
-Akihito Tokunaga (Unreleased)
I'm pretty sure I have a .zip on another HDD somewhere that has the entirety of this score in Hi-Fi Stereo.
Please, just stop. No one is going to believe that you have unreleased music from DBGT in "Hi-Fi Stereo". You've already told us that you had access to "Hi-Fi Stereo recordings of the Westwood dub", which was disproven by KakarotWarrior.
He did not disprove me, I uploaded a video right after his relentless illogical attacks, to which he then completely stopped attacking me and started trolling. Would you like me to re-upload it, or another clip?

Anyway, all I know is that I got the files from a friend of mine and that each track is 320kbps, and they are in stereo.

I didn't mean to stir up an argument, but I'm merely stating what I have in my possession. If the reader does not believe me, then that's fine. If you want me to supply a sample as evidence like I did with that KakarotWarrior then I would love too.
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