Can Goku teleport planets? (instant transmission)

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Can Goku teleport planets? (instant transmission)

Post by EliteWarrior » Tue Sep 16, 2014 12:36 am

Do you guys think goku could teleport a planet? I mean by using instant transmission he could use his other hand to touch the ground of the earth and then lock on to other life source in the universe and teleport himself with entire planet? wouldnt that be amazing!!! hell maybe in the new movie we might see him doing that nobody knows for the fact! And for the mean time i find it silly how nobody on the internet has ever asked a question like this even after searching thru google for similar questions and threads lol
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Re: Can Goku teleport planets? (instant transmission)

Post by TheDevilsCorpse » Tue Sep 16, 2014 12:48 am

I doubt it. He teleports people without directly touching them, like when they put their hand on his shoulder (which is covered by his dogi) and stuff like that. This shouldn't be any different than his feet touching the planet's surface despite technically having shoes on.
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Post by dbzfan7 » Tue Sep 16, 2014 12:49 am

No way he could. I doubt he has the capability to teleport that much mass.
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Post by EliteWarrior » Tue Sep 16, 2014 1:43 am

dbzfan7 wrote:No way he could. I doubt he has the capability to teleport that much mass.
your forgetting that goku is a saiyan though, if he could blink away a planet like its nothing then he should have ability to withstand the mass of it when teleporting

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Post by Low Tone G » Tue Sep 16, 2014 3:20 am

I don't like any scenario for Goku to be that Superman-esque. I think he could teleport many people, but I'm certain that he couldn't a whole planet.
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Re: Can Goku teleport planets? (instant transmission)

Post by dbzfan7 » Tue Sep 16, 2014 3:21 am

EliteWarrior wrote:
dbzfan7 wrote:No way he could. I doubt he has the capability to teleport that much mass.
your forgetting that goku is a saiyan though, if he could blink away a planet like its nothing then he should have ability to withstand the mass of it when teleporting
No I am not forgetting he's a Saiyan, that's an absurd assumption. Also he can't blink away a planet either, just destroy one pretty easily with ki. You're just overestimating Goku's abilities like many other people do.

Also what Devilcorpse said. He is not remotely hinted to be capable of such a thing.
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Re: Can Goku teleport planets? (instant transmission)

Post by Darkprince410 » Tue Sep 16, 2014 9:10 am

Not to mention the dangers involved in using the Shunkan Idou to teleport a planet away. You'd be removing it from its existing orbit around its star as well as the influence of any other planets and moons nearby, which would cause massive gravitational shifts that would almost certainly destroy the planet, or at least destroy all life on it. Not to mention Goku needs a ki source to lock onto, which means that almost certainly he'd be using it to reach another planet. Teleporting one planet to such a close proximity to another would again cause catastrophic gravitational shifts, not to mention the almost certainty of the two planets colliding.

Even if Goku were physically capable of it, moving the planet in the way you're suggesting would be as much a danger to it as whatever threat he'd be trying to save the planet from, if not moreso.

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Post by Low Tone G » Tue Sep 16, 2014 12:39 pm

Darkprince410 wrote:Not to mention the dangers involved in using the Shunkan Idou to teleport a planet away. You'd be removing it from its existing orbit around its star as well as the influence of any other planets and moons nearby, which would cause massive gravitational shifts that would almost certainly destroy the planet, or at least destroy all life on it. Not to mention Goku needs a ki source to lock onto, which means that almost certainly he'd be using it to reach another planet. Teleporting one planet to such a close proximity to another would again cause catastrophic gravitational shifts, not to mention the almost certainty of the two planets colliding.

Even if Goku were physically capable of it, moving the planet in the way you're suggesting would be as much a danger to it as whatever threat he'd be trying to save the planet from, if not moreso.
I don't know how powerful is Goku as a God, but I think that's exaggerated to think he can move a planet on pure strength. That's Superman-esque feature.
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Post by Cursed Lemon » Tue Sep 16, 2014 1:36 pm

Can't he only teleport things that consent to being teleported?
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Re: Can Goku teleport planets? (instant transmission)

Post by Pantalones » Tue Sep 16, 2014 1:43 pm

I always figured he could only teleport beings with ki. Since he needs to lock on to a ki signature in order to teleport to a place, it would make sense that he'd need to be able to connect with someone's ki signature in order to take them along for the ride, too.

Does a planet itself have ki? The living things on the planet do, yes, but I don't think Earth itself has its own inner ki source. Stars appear to generate a form of energy that can be used for a Spirit Bomb, but when Goku draws energy from the life of a planet it shows the actual lifeforms (deer, trees, etc.) rather than scenes of random rocky wasteland, so I figure planets themselves don't give off any ki-like energy whatsoever.

The technique may also be limited by size. We only see him teleport himself, one other being, or small groups of people who are all within arm's length of him--so it's possible that once you get beyond a certain size (say, anything that's too big for Goku to see all of it within his field of vision at once) it would be impossible to teleport an object of that size. So he not only wouldn't be able to teleport a whole planet, he wouldn't be able to teleport an entire city (or even just the population of an entire city) either.

It's not even a matter of "is Goku powerful enough to do this," it's a matter of "is this within the bounds of what the technique Instant Transmission is capable of?"
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Re: Can Goku teleport planets? (instant transmission)

Post by Cursed Lemon » Tue Sep 16, 2014 1:49 pm

Pantalones wrote:
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Re: Can Goku teleport planets? (instant transmission)

Post by Hellspawn28 » Tue Sep 16, 2014 3:43 pm

Teleporting something huge like a whole Planet can take up a lot of ki. I would imagine it would take a whole amount of ki that it could kill Goku if he try to do it.
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Re: Can Goku teleport planets? (instant transmission)

Post by Kroni_Hunter » Tue Sep 16, 2014 5:31 pm

Goku probably can't lift a planet yet, but he is getting close. He's just one or two significant power ups away from being able to do it.

Earth weighs 5,973,600,000,000,000,000,000,000 kg. We know that Goku at a power level of 10 was able to lift Bulma's car. (The average car weighs 1.5 to 2 tons.) If we say 2 tons as his maximum lifting strength which gives us 1,816 kg. When Goku gets to Namek and fights Frieza, his battle power is at 3,000,000. He now has a much higher lifting power. (Multiply 1,816 by 300,000 to show that at this point Goku can lift 544,800,000 kg.)

I'm going to assume that throughout the series Goku got stronger in his base form. I'll give him 10,000,000 as his maximum in base and a lifting power of 1,816,000,000 kg. Now multiply this number by 400 to get his lifting power as a SSJ3. This gives us 726,400,000,000 kg as Goku's highest lifting strength in the main series.

Vegeta's lifting power would be significantly less. Let's assume he is slightly weaker than Goku, and that he can lift 1,700,000,000 kg in his base form. His SSJ2 could then handle 170,000,000,000 kg. When Vegeta and Goku fuse, it is said that it is closer to multiplication than addition. If we multiply those numbers together we have a full powered Vegito being able to lift 123,488,000,000,000,000,000,000 kg. If you accept that Vegito is actually that strong or at least somewhere within that range, then he is only short of lifting Earth by a factor of 50.

Goku then becomes SSJ God. He is now stronger than Vegito but how much stronger is not clear. Let's say he got to 200,000,000,000,000,000,000,000 kg. That is about 1/30th of Earth. He still has a long way to go, even with the numbers all in his favor. But he has made larger gains than that several times throughout the series. Also, let's not forget that Whis is several times stronger than Goku, and of course Goku will eventually surpass Whis. There are also other universes out there with supposedly stronger opponents, so I see Goku being a planet lifter by the end of the franchise.

Some assumptions that I had to make:

-Fusion is close enough to multiplication to create this large number.
-Battle Power is directly proportional to lifting strength
-Goku and Vegeta were making steady gains in their base forms
-The SSJ multipliers are constant

(It's a claim that's easy to poke holes in. I just wanted to show the argument could be made.)
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Post by EliteWarrior » Tue Sep 16, 2014 8:20 pm

Low Tone G wrote:
Darkprince410 wrote:Not to mention the dangers involved in using the Shunkan Idou to teleport a planet away. You'd be removing it from its existing orbit around its star as well as the influence of any other planets and moons nearby, which would cause massive gravitational shifts that would almost certainly destroy the planet, or at least destroy all life on it. Not to mention Goku needs a ki source to lock onto, which means that almost certainly he'd be using it to reach another planet. Teleporting one planet to such a close proximity to another would again cause catastrophic gravitational shifts, not to mention the almost certainty of the two planets colliding.

Even if Goku were physically capable of it, moving the planet in the way you're suggesting would be as much a danger to it as whatever threat he'd be trying to save the planet from, if not moreso.
I don't know how powerful is Goku as a God, but I think that's exaggerated to think he can move a planet on pure strength. That's Superman-esque feature.
we are not talking about moving planets buddy! did you read the thread? i said if he was planning to teleport a planet into another part of galaxy would he be able to do that? ofcourse once he teleports the planet he has no control of what happens to it it might probably move by itself in a vaccum of space or it might cliche with another planet. who knows?

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Post by EliteWarrior » Tue Sep 16, 2014 8:49 pm

Darkprince410 wrote:Not to mention the dangers involved in using the Shunkan Idou to teleport a planet away. You'd be removing it from its existing orbit around its star as well as the influence of any other planets and moons nearby, which would cause massive gravitational shifts that would almost certainly destroy the planet, or at least destroy all life on it. Not to mention Goku needs a ki source to lock onto, which means that almost certainly he'd be using it to reach another planet. Teleporting one planet to such a close proximity to another would again cause catastrophic gravitational shifts, not to mention the almost certainty of the two planets colliding.

Even if Goku were physically capable of it, moving the planet in the way you're suggesting would be as much a danger to it as whatever threat he'd be trying to save the planet from, if not moreso.
and your point?? considering since we are talking about a DBZ a cartoon with no logic and bunch of inconsistency in it. what would you expect? at one point they make characters like frieza an ability to blow up planets 1200 times the mass of earth in their base mode, the other second characters like super saiyan goku at full power is only able to make a city size crater. i mean if goku could only teleport humans with him then how come his and their clothes also get teleported? huh well thats a plot hole.

The way i personally see goku teleporting earth, is that hes going to be inside of the earth athmosphere when he teleports there, so he probably wont even feel it as the earth dissapears and reapears again in a complete different part of galaxy. not only that but it also possible that goku could teleport entire galaxy and even universe with him for example if goku was going to be fighting a strong villian and he didnt want to destroy the earth or universe he could learn how to create dimensions from one of the kais or gods in the after world and then create his own dimension and teleport entire earth and solar system with him and so then when he comes back to fight his opponent he wont have to hold back and we might actually see him at his true power where his casual ki blasts would be tearing down space fabrics in space and kamehameha would break entire multiversal barrier with ease

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Re: Can Goku teleport planets? (instant transmission)

Post by The Monkey King » Tue Sep 16, 2014 9:24 pm

Hellspawn28 wrote:Teleporting something huge like a whole Planet can take up a lot of ki. I would imagine it would take a whole amount of ki that it could kill Goku if he try to do it.
Why would it use up that much ki?

Performing insane feats such as vaporizing entire moons and planets has been done pretty casually by people much weaker than Goku. I couldn't imagine teleporting one away would take such a monumental amount of ki.

Tbh this is a pretty interesting question and I don't see why people are bringing up Superman or Goku's strength.

Overall I think Pantalones put it quite nicely.

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Post by Low Tone G » Wed Sep 17, 2014 2:03 am

EliteWarrior wrote:
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Darkprince410 wrote:Not to mention the dangers involved in using the Shunkan Idou to teleport a planet away. You'd be removing it from its existing orbit around its star as well as the influence of any other planets and moons nearby, which would cause massive gravitational shifts that would almost certainly destroy the planet, or at least destroy all life on it. Not to mention Goku needs a ki source to lock onto, which means that almost certainly he'd be using it to reach another planet. Teleporting one planet to such a close proximity to another would again cause catastrophic gravitational shifts, not to mention the almost certainty of the two planets colliding.

Even if Goku were physically capable of it, moving the planet in the way you're suggesting would be as much a danger to it as whatever threat he'd be trying to save the planet from, if not moreso.
I don't know how powerful is Goku as a God, but I think that's exaggerated to think he can move a planet on pure strength. That's Superman-esque feature.
we are not talking about moving planets buddy! did you read the thread? i said if he was planning to teleport a planet into another part of galaxy would he be able to do that? ofcourse once he teleports the planet he has no control of what happens to it it might probably move by itself in a vaccum of space or it might cliche with another planet. who knows?
Of course I read the thread! That's why I started to think... Let's assume that ok us able to teleport a whole planet. He can do it only when he can sense an energy source. So it's evindent that an energy source can come from an other planet. So thet's that other planet is massively beggier than the Earth. So if he will manage to teleport it he must hold it in that moment when he arrives to that planet. Did you get my point? And if Goku could not survive that attempt why would he try it out?
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Re: Can Goku teleport planets? (instant transmission)

Post by Saiyan007 » Wed Sep 17, 2014 7:45 am

He probably could but never thought or tried to do it

After all he can physically destroy any planet with a single punch and destroy an entire solar system in an instant so who knows what his limits are

But then again this is DB one moment he could transport earth then later you would see him struggle to transport a bus load of kids

And guys leave Superman out of this

Don't say Goku can't do this because he would be to Superman-esque

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Re: Can Goku teleport planets? (instant transmission)

Post by dario03 » Wed Sep 17, 2014 6:28 pm

I'm going with no. Haven't really seen him doing anything close to it.

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Post by EliteWarrior » Wed Sep 17, 2014 7:26 pm

Saiyan007 wrote:He probably could but never thought or tried to do it

After all he can physically destroy any planet with a single punch and destroy an entire solar system in an instant so who knows what his limits are

But then again this is DB one moment he could transport earth then later you would see him struggle to transport a bus load of kids

And guys leave Superman out of this

Don't say Goku can't do this because he would be to Superman-esque

Superman doesn't own the rights to Goku or Akira Toriyama
actually i think this more has to do with akira toriyama than goku , maybe akira never though about goku instant transmission being able to teleport planets, i mean he already defined that logic when goku was able to bring master roshi's glasses with him which is an object that doesnt have any ki in it.

Also its silly how people here tend to think more like game developers, if something is too OP its too good to be in DBZ?
I mean you have to think about logic and how instant transmission actually works,the user simply places his index and middle fingers on his forehead to help him concentrate(means placing middle and index finger on your forehead is not required if you mastered instant transmission very good. then by concentrating on a particular individual's ki signature, and transmitting or feeling that being's location. Goku can take passengers along with him as long as they are touching him. It also shows that he can transport static objects with him aswell such as his own clothes and glasses meaning anything that comes to contact with him gets teleported even a planet if he decides to do so

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