Could Chiaotzu destroy the Earth?

[Stonefallow]

If left unattended, I'm sure he could reign mass destruction on the Earth, and could eventually destroy it. But what about in one blow?

[xmysticgohanx]

I don't think he ever became stronger than Saiyan Arc Vegeta?

[Doctor.]

I don't see why not.

I highly doubt he didn't become stronger than any random Saiyan or Vegeta in the Saiyan arc.

[Pantalones]

Yeah, Chiaotzu is the weakest of the active human fighters, but there's no reason to assume he never passed Vegeta's 18,000. And no, "he never fought anyone after Nappa" is not a reason to assume that--it just means we don't have any solid evidence pointing toward any specific range of power in the manga, so you can't blindly assume he got "stuck" at a certain level. Does anyone in Dragonball ever get "stuck" like that, not counting the characters that just don't train??

Anyway... filler showed him able to beat Guldo with (if I remember right) little to no effort, so that would put him at least in the 13,000s range like where Gohan and Krillin were at (since they were able to make him flee for his life and resort to time-stopping just to avoid them), if not higher since Gohan/Krillin fought him two-on-one while Chiaotzu fought and beat him solo. And, if you adjust the timing of that filler bit a little so it happens after they've trained there for a while, it even makes sense--the only thing that makes it a bit silly currently is the fact that it's happening when they've only been training on the North Kaio's world for what, days? maybe a week or two? and any major gains in that short amount of time are hard to believe. Then again, you do have Piccolo apparently becoming strong enough to impress Nail after an even shorter time there... even if you assume that only meant he passed by the 10,000 mark that the strongest "normal" Namekian fighters were at, rather than actually coming anywhere close to surpassing Nail himself, that's still a huge boost for such a short time training.
And then Chiaotzu's constantly training with Tenshinhan for the rest of the series, and unlike Yamcha and Krillin there's never any indication that he slows down or stops, so it only makes sense that he'd keep getting stronger throughout the series.

Even an absolute bare-minimum estimate (like say, if you say that he only got to "stomping Guldo" level at the very end of his training with the North Kaio, and then didn't get that much stronger during each year of training that followed) for Buu Saga Chiaotzu or end-of-Z Chiaotzu would have to be above 18,000. How far above 18,000 is hard to say, but I'd say it'd be absurd for him to still be close to a level as low as 18,000 so many years later when he already would've been in the 10,000s range before coming back to Earth--he had three years of serious training for the Androids, followed by 7 years of training between them and Buu, followed by (if you're going for an end-of-Z version) probably 10 more years of training after that.
Even if you disregard the filler entirely, somebody doesn't train for a year or more in 10x gravity and barely get stronger, then go home and undergo 3 years of serious training to prepare for a future threat with a stronger training partner and yet still barely get stronger, and then continue to train for nearly another two decades and still barely get stronger. That is not how Dragonball works. If you're training you will get stronger and stronger and stronger, though the rate of improvement may (or may not) slow down over time; if you slack off, that's when your power gets "stuck in a rut" or even drops. Nobody does years of serious training (sometimes in 10x gravity or with a training partner several times their level... or both) and then shows little or no improvement. That's just so totally the opposite of how things work in DBZ that I can't take it seriously when anyone suggests that's what happens to the humans.

Anyway... since Chiaotzu pretty much definitely passes 18,000... the only question then is "does he have the sort of attack required to blow up a planet?" He mostly seems to rely on his psychic abilities, which aren't planet-destroying stuff even if you're pretty strong. Could a Dodonpa blow up the Earth? I imagine it'd take more than PL 18,000 (possibly a lot more) to pull something like that off with Dodonpa. Gallic Gun and Kamehameha (that's the improved Kamehameha that Goku uses in Z, by the way) were evenly matched while Dodonpa shouldn't be on the same level at this point (isn't the Dodonpa generally considered inferior even to the Dragonball-era Kamehameha, at least up until Goku comes out with his "Super Kamehameha" later on?), unless Chiaotzu's developed stronger versions of it over the years.

[dbzfan7]

Should have the power level to do so, but technique...maybe.

[EliteWarrior]

current sasuke can easily kill him
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[RandomGuy96]

Should have the power level to do so, but technique...maybe.

You don't need a special technique just to blow up a planet. You just need to stop condensing your power. Pure Buu almost destroyed the Earth with a completely ordinary ki blast the size of a baseball, no different than the dozens we see characters throw at each other all the time.

Anyway, I think Chaozu could. He was exactly 1/3 of Tenshinhan's power in the Saiyan arc, and did the same training as him from there on out, so he should remain about 1/3. He and Ten trained on Kaio's planet for a much longer time than Goku (159 days vs 265 days), and had sparring partners. In addition to that, they didn't have to worry about learning the Kaio-ken or Spirit Bomb, and their training was implied to be highly effective, as Piccolo after 1 week of it was implied to be stronger than Nail. Either way, both of them should get far more out of it than the x20 boost Goku got (assuming 416 really was his full power). On top of that, they trained for pretty much the entire rest of their lives. For Chaozu to do all of that and still not surpass Saiyan arc Vegeta's 18,000 (or his Galick Gun's ~24,000) just seems absurd to me. At the very, very least, I'd place Chaozu around monster Zarbon/2nd zenkai Vegeta in pure power by the Buu arc, and Tenshinhan around post-gravity training Goku.

The android arc would have you believe that the humans are a lot stronger than that, though. Krillin, Tenshinhan, and Yamcha had no problem maintaining a speed that sick Goku struggled to keep up with, Tenshinhan dodged Gero's eye beams just like sick base Goku did, and Gero stated that the humans would be a significant boost to his own power if he could absorb their energy.

[dbzfan7]

Should have the power level to do so, but technique...maybe.

You don't need a special technique just to blow up a planet. You just need to stop condensing your power. Pure Buu almost destroyed the Earth with a completely ordinary ki blast the size of a baseball, no different than the dozens we see characters throw at each other all the time.

Anyway, I think Chaozu could. He was exactly 1/3 of Tenshinhan's power in the Saiyan arc, and did the same training as him from there on out, so he should remain about 1/3. He and Ten trained on Kaio's planet for a much longer time than Goku (159 days vs 265 days), and had sparring partners. In addition to that, they didn't have to worry about learning the Kaio-ken or Spirit Bomb, and their training was implied to be highly effective, as Piccolo after 1 week of it was implied to be stronger than Nail. Either way, both of them should get far more out of it than the x20 boost Goku got (assuming 416 really was his full power). On top of that, they trained for pretty much the entire rest of their lives. For Chaozu to do all of that and still not surpass Saiyan arc Vegeta's 18,000 (or his Galick Gun's ~24,000) just seems absurd to me. At the very, very least, I'd place Chaozu around monster Zarbon/2nd zenkai Vegeta in pure power by the Buu arc, and Tenshinhan around post-gravity training Goku.

The android arc would have you believe that the humans are a lot stronger than that, though. Krillin, Tenshinhan, and Yamcha had no problem maintaining a speed that sick Goku struggled to keep up with, Tenshinhan dodged Gero's eye beams just like sick base Goku did, and Gero stated that the humans would be a significant boost to his own power if he could absorb their energy.

Yes but Kid Boo is insanely powerful in comparison and SSJ3 tier. At what point does it take a minor blast attack to destroy a planet is the question? Special attacks clearly are different from ordinary ki blasts.

[Kaboom]

current sasuke can easily kill him
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[Neshawn]

Even if he hugged the back of the earth harder than he did Nappa, I doubt it. However, he may be able to take a few tool sheds with him!

[Hellspawn28]

I think you need to be around Freeza's level of power to destroy a Planet casually. Chaozu most likely never went above Nappa, so I highly doubt it.

[Jackal puFF]

Not enough evidence to prove so.. He's always training with tien though so.. He was fast enough to dodge Buu's extinction attack but maybe he could drive everyone crazy with his psychic abilities.

[MasterVampire]

I think you need to be around Freeza's level of power to destroy a Planet casually. Chaozu most likely never went above Nappa, so I highly doubt it.

Saiyan saga Vegeta did it.

[sintzu]

I highly doubt he didn't become stronger than Vegeta in the Saiyan arc.

Even the farmer with the shotgun is stronger then Saiyan Saga Vegeta.

[flashback0180]

He should be way beyond moon level and people argue Tien and Kuririn are planet level at their max.
So my guess is no.

[Hellspawn28]

I think you need to be around Freeza's level of power to destroy a Planet casually. Chaozu most likely never went above Nappa, so I highly doubt it.

Saiyan saga Vegeta did it.

That was a filler. Vegeta had to power up in order to destroy the Earth during his battle with Goku. Also Vegeta was most likely not going to blow up the Earth completely. I think he is only powerful enough to blow up the core. Vegeta is not that stupid even he is super pissed off. He would have destroy the Earth's core and use his space ship to leave as soon as possible. If he blew up completely then he would die in space. He would have no way on getting back to Freeza's HQ, he would have no food or water in space.

[Super SaiyaJon]

I don't think the problem is if Chaozu has enough power to destroy the earth, I believe the problem is that he doesn't have a technique that would be effective in doing so. He only has two attacks that are even contenders: the Dodonpa and his self-destruction attack.

I'll start with the self-destruction attack. During the saiyan arc, we don't really see how much damage the attack would cause the terrain because the explosion occurs in the air. However, I estimate the TNT equivalent of the blast to be about half a kiloton. If the explosion took place on the ground it would have created a crater with a circumference of roughly 75m. It would take 58,117,504 kilotons of force just to destroy all of the land on Earth. Power scaling isn't even necessary to show that Chaozu couldn't ever blow up the Earth with his self destruction attack.

Now for the Dodonpa. It really isn't a blast, so you couldn't explode the Earth away with it. The more likely route to go with this would be piercing the Earth to its core, which would be the end of Earth as we know it. I'm not very sure to what extent we have seen the Dodonpa penetrate anything. If I were being super generous, I may say it could go through 500 meters of rock at max power. Considering just getting to the upper mantle of earth would take 35 kilometers, or 70 times my estimate (not to mention it would be going through harder rock than the surface), I doubt it could happen.

Of course, I am just assuming he didn't learn any techniques other than these that would assist him in this task.

[RandomGuy96]

I don't think the problem is if Chaozu has enough power to destroy the earth, I believe the problem is that he doesn't have a technique that would be effective in doing so. He only has two attacks that are even contenders: the Dodonpa and his self-destruction attack.

You don't need a special technique. As Pure Buu demonstrated, you can do it with any generic ki blast, if you just decide to NOT condense it. You're essentially saying that Chaozu will always condense all of his attacks no matter what, and can't possibly not do it. All it takes to destroy a planet is a sufficiently high power level, and I'm pretty sure Chaozu by the Buu arc is well above the 24,000 Vegeta's Galick Gun was at in the Saiyan arc.

I'll start with the self-destruction attack. During the saiyan arc, we don't really see how much damage the attack would cause the terrain because the explosion occurs in the air. However, I estimate the TNT equivalent of the blast to be about half a kiloton. If the explosion took place on the ground it would have created a crater with a circumference of roughly 75m. It would take 58,117,504 kilotons of force just to destroy all of the land on Earth. Power scaling isn't even necessary to show that Chaozu couldn't ever blow up the Earth with his self destruction attack.

Half a kiloton? LOL! Piccolo could blow up the fucking moon with a power level of 408. Chaozu at the time is much stronger than Piccolo was back then, and his suicide explosion is far beyond his regular power. Tell me how half a kiloton could deal even the slightest bit of harm to anyone at this point. Or hell, even the villain of two arcs ago, who is garbage to Chaozu at this point, yet could casually destroy cities (which puts him at least in the double digit kilotons).

Yes but Kid Boo is insanely powerful in comparison and SSJ3 tier. At what point does it take a minor blast attack to destroy a planet is the question? Special attacks clearly are different from ordinary ki blasts.

They're only different in that they're more powerful. At the level of, say, the Ginyu Force, it doesn't matter whether or not they're using a regular ki blast or a special, amplified attack. Vegeta's Galick Gun, with a power of 24,000, could destroy the Earth. The ONLY thing preventing Earth from being destroyed every time someone throws a punch or blast is that the fighters willingly condense their attacks for more effectiveness, letting the energy only harm the target in a very small area.

That was a filler. Vegeta had to power up in order to destroy the Earth during his battle with Goku. Also Vegeta was most likely not going to blow up the Earth completely. I think he is only powerful enough to blow up the core. Vegeta is not that stupid even he is super pissed off. He would have destroy the Earth's core and use his space ship to leave as soon as possible. If he blew up completely then he would die in space. He would have no way on getting back to Freeza's HQ, he would have no food or water in space.

He outright said he would turn the planet into dust. Also, he yelled at Goku that if he tried to dodge, the Earth would be destroyed, so it seems to me he was bluffing about not condensing it, and just wanted Goku to take it head on so he could overpower him.

[Diotor]

Taking into account Chiaotzu trained with Tenshinhan for the duration of Z after their revival at the end of the Freeza saga and during the Cell saga Tenshinhan was highly effective in stopping Imperfect Cell with his Shin Kikōhō blasts (even if it didn't really damage him), I'd say there's a perfectly reasonable chance that Chiaotzu could destroy the Earth if he really wanted to.

As above, the Dodonpa is a concentrated beam of energy- this would have taken years of practice to probably control, so saying Chiaoztu couldn't simply form a generic energy blast is really overlooking his obvious skills as a martial artist.

I'd say it's very likely he would be able to do it, as long as we talk about post revival Chiaotzu. And hell, Piccolo destroyed the moon before Vegeta and Nappa arrived...

[RancorSnp]

Why does everyone asume that Chiautsu really did surpass the level of saiyan arc vegeta? "See no reason why he wouldn't" - Well I do see a reason he is a human (probably). Power level of 200 is an immensily high number for a human. Yes there are a few mutants that actually happen to be the cast of this anime.

But there is completetly no evidence that Chiautsu is one of them. Actually as we saw him in saiyan arc, he already was way below other fighters. Let's take a look at the scene when he self-exploded bening directly at Nappas back, how much stronger the self explosion is in your opinion? This is something we will never know but it's somewhere in between 1,5 and 4x (yeah these are the random numbers) stronger that user could do without cancelling all KI defense, using true 100% of his power and transferring his life fore into pure energy.
It is not strange that his attack did not kill Nappa, but the fact he did not even scratch the armor if worrying. When giving more than he actually has and starting the attack at the closest range he didn't even manage to overcome the furthest from body of Nappas Ki barrier.

At the same time almost dead Tien who had practially no Ki left on his own, was able to using mostly his low life force shoot a beam from large distance that was strong enough to crush the furthest barrier and destroy the armor.

I know that that they did train a lot, there is really no proof that he didn't reach the maximum power level that was possible for him. Even if he did exceed the human limits few times over, his power level at the end of the series probably wouldn't be stronger than 400 which would be over a god level for a human, but far from reaching planet destroying levels.
(I'd say he is probably somewhere in between 100 and 150)