Why wasn't Bra present in BOG?

[flashback0180]

Bulma was asking for vegetas younger brother to fill the spot for the extra sayien needed for the god transformation. like what type of mother forget the existence of her own daughter. lol how could the script writer miss something this big .

[dbgtFO]

Bra is 2 years younger than Pan and since Pan hadn't even been born yet, neither was Bra.

[flashback0180]

Bra is 2 years younger than Pan and since Pan hadn't even been born yet, neither was Bra.

But Bra had already been born by the time buu saga took place, she was seen cheering along with Bulma during the world tournament.

[Kamiccolo9]

Bra is 2 years younger than Pan and since Pan hadn't even been born yet, neither was Bra.

But Bra had already been born by the time buu saga took place, she was seen cheering along with Bulma during the world tournament.

Yeah, at the very end, which takes place AFTER BoG.

[TheDevilsCorpse]

Bra is 2 years younger than Pan and since Pan hadn't even been born yet, neither was Bra.

1 year. Pan is born in AGE 779, while Bra is born in AGE 780.

Which leads to the rest of the topic, BOG takes place in AGE 778, which is 4 years after the battle with Buu in AGE 774. So neither child would be born. The tournament with Uub is in AGE 784, so Pan would be ~5 and Bra would be ~4 (depending on the actual date of birth).

[Kaboom]

Since Pan is definitely said to be 4 during the 28th Tournament in the manga's epilogue, then assuming Battle of Gods takes place in the late summer or early fall of 778, I'm guessing she was born sometime in the late spring or early summer of 779. Meaning she'd be "going on 5" during the tournament, and Bra would be 3 and possibly going on 4.

[TheDevilsCorpse]

Pan we can guess at, like you said. Bra isn't so easy. So long as she was born before May 7th, she could already be 4. Nothing ever clarifies it, sadly.

[Herms]

But Bra had already been born by the time buu saga took place, she was seen cheering along with Bulma during the world tournament.

You may possibly be getting Bra mixed up with Kuririn's daughter Marron, who hangs out with Bulma (or at least is sometimes near Bulma) during the tournament that takes place right before Boo gets revived. As others have noted, Bra is only present at the tournament where Goku meets Oob (10 years after Boo's defeat) and is definitely not born yet during the main events of the Boo arc.

[SaiyaJedi]

Since Pan is definitely said to be 4 during the 28th Tournament in the manga's epilogue, then assuming Battle of Gods takes place in the late summer or early fall of 778, I'm guessing she was born sometime in the late spring or early summer of 779. Meaning she'd be "going on 5" during the tournament, and Bra would be 3 and possibly going on 4.

For what it's worth, Bulma's birthday is August 18th, although this seems unlikely as the date of her "38th" birthday celebration, since Pan would need to have been just conceived in order to be born after May 7th. The party is probably held at some unspecified point after that, with September or early October seeming like a pretty safe estimate (long enough after Pan's conception for Videl to find out she's pregnant, but not long enough to be showing).

Bra, of course, wouldn't even be conceived for at least six months after that.

[Kaboom]

Wow, I wasn't even aware we had an official birthday for Bulma. Where did we learn that?

[SaiyaJedi]

Wow, I wasn't even aware we had an official birthday for Bulma. Where did we learn that?

Weekly Shōnen Jump 1986 #37. In a "girls of Jump"-type feature in the front of the magazine.

[Hitiro]

For what it's worth, Bulma's birthday is August 18th, although this seems unlikely as the date of her "38th" birthday celebration, since Pan would need to have been just conceived in order to be born after May 7th. The party is probably held at some unspecified point after that, with September or early October seeming like a pretty safe estimate (long enough after Pan's conception for Videl to find out she's pregnant, but not long enough to be showing).

Bra, of course, wouldn't even be conceived for at least six months after that.

I'm actually surprised there haven't been tweets to the people working on the BoG movie about Bulma's age. I guess people are less bothered by the age thing than when it "looked" like Gohan was going to fight Beerus as a SSJ.

When I saw Bra I was convinced she was older than Pan until the other day when I was checking out their ages. For some reason Bra looks older than Pan. But I guess there are some kids that look a little older than others. May just be my bad judgement and nobody else thinks the same. Funny how this thread came up when I was thinking why Bra wasn't present too before I checked their ages, lol.

[superplough]

For what it's worth, Bulma's birthday is August 18th, although this seems unlikely as the date of her "38th" birthday celebration, since Pan would need to have been just conceived in order to be born after May 7th. The party is probably held at some unspecified point after that, with September or early October seeming like a pretty safe estimate (long enough after Pan's conception for Videl to find out she's pregnant, but not long enough to be showing).

There's a possibility than in the DB universe, they can find out they are pregnant a lot sooner than IRL... it could work...

[White Oni]

I don't know what everyone is going on about.

There's like only 1 good shot of her in the manga, and she clearly looks younger than Pan.

Besides, do you honestly believe that Gohan would let his daughter enter the world tournament at a younger age than Vegeta?

If Pan and Bra where the same age, I'd imagine Vegeta would insist she enter with pan.

[miguelnuva1]

I don't know what everyone is going on about.

There's like only 1 good shot of her in the manga, and she clearly looks younger than Pan.

Besides, do you honestly believe that Gohan would let his daughter enter the world tournament at a younger age than Vegeta?

If Pan and Bra where the same age, I'd imagine Vegeta would insist she enter with pan.

Vegeta was super soft on Bra even more backed up by GT.

[White Oni]

I don't know what everyone is going on about.

There's like only 1 good shot of her in the manga, and she clearly looks younger than Pan.

Besides, do you honestly believe that Gohan would let his daughter enter the world tournament at a younger age than Vegeta?

If Pan and Bra where the same age, I'd imagine Vegeta would insist she enter with pan.

Vegeta was super soft on Bra even more backed up by GT.

Even more backed up by GT? Lol

Try, "only backed up by GT."

Which is entirely irreverent to the discussion we're having...

[Kaboom]

Well when it comes to Bra, there's practically nothing to go on but GT. Like you said, she barely exists in the manga. Even in the Boo saga, we saw Vegeta already starting to soften up in general.

[SaiyaJedi]

For what it's worth, Bulma's birthday is August 18th, although this seems unlikely as the date of her "38th" birthday celebration, since Pan would need to have been just conceived in order to be born after May 7th. The party is probably held at some unspecified point after that, with September or early October seeming like a pretty safe estimate (long enough after Pan's conception for Videl to find out she's pregnant, but not long enough to be showing).

There's a possibility than in the DB universe, they can find out they are pregnant a lot sooner than IRL... it could work...

One would have to be looking very closely indeed (not to mention have a good reason to look) to find a zygote (or blastocyst) prior to uterine implantation and the subsequent missed period / hormone spike that signals the onset of pregnancy.

In fact, there's good reason not to be looking so early on, since many such fertilized eggs spontaneously abort before they even get that far. Unless you have a 100% perfect track record with regards to contraception, it could be quite the psychological upset to learn you've had your fair share of "babies-that-weren't" and/or "close calls" (depending on whether you're actively trying to have a child).

But now I've gone and dragged real-world ethics into a discussion about Dragon Ball again. Hmm...

[dbzfan7]

Wasn't Bra older than Pan in GT and in the manga...wouldn't Pan now being older retcon GT and the ending of the manga.

[White Oni]

Wasn't Bra older than Pan in GT and in the manga...wouldn't Pan now being older retcon GT and the ending of the manga.

We've already been over this.

Nothing suggests that Bra is older, so in light of BoG, we now know she's younger.