I do specifically mean the gap/jump of power between Goku, Krillin, Yamcha, and Jackie Chun between their 21st WMAT selves and their 22nd WMAT selves, manga-wise.
Could their 22nd WMAT selves one-shot or atleast beat, with the least minimal effort and not at full power, their 21st WMAT selves?
I don't mean power levels.
How much jump in power between 21st & 22nd Budokai?
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How much jump in power between 21st & 22nd Budokai?
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Re: How much jump in power between 21st & 22nd Budokai?
Well seeing as how Goku could compete with Roshi (uh oh spoilers) in the 21st, and then proceeded to exceed him slightly in the 22nd. It's not out of the question that 21st Goku could keep up with his 22nd counterpart.
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Re: How much jump in power between 21st & 22nd Budokai?
Roshi powered up considerably for the 22nd tournament. He hadn't trained at all for the 21st, but he trained and got himself into shape for the 22nd.Videlphia76ers wrote:Well seeing as how Goku could compete with Roshi (uh oh spoilers) in the 21st, and then proceeded to exceed him slightly in the 22nd. It's not out of the question that 21st Goku could keep up with his 22nd counterpart.
And its no small jump in power since Tao Pai Pai easily took care of a Goku who basically tied with Roshi, which makes him stronger than Roshi at that point, but then Goku easily took care of Tao Pai Pai and still trained years after that for the 22nd tournament.
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Re: How much jump in power between 21st & 22nd Budokai?
Very large. Goku was stated to have gotten several times stronger after he trained to beat Tao Paipai, and every relevant fighter at the 22nd surpasses post-Karin Goku's power.Angelus wrote:I do specifically mean the gap/jump of power between Goku, Krillin, Yamcha, and Jackie Chun between their 21st WMAT selves and their 22nd WMAT selves, manga-wise.
Could their 22nd WMAT selves one-shot or atleast beat, with the least minimal effort and not at full power, their 21st WMAT selves?
The Monkey King wrote:It was actually Beerus disguised as Zarbon #StayWokeRandomGuy96 wrote:He's probably referring to the Bardock special. Zarbon was the one who first recommended destroying Planet Vegeta because the saiyans were rapidly growing in strength.dbgtFO wrote: Please elaborate as I do not know what you mean by "pushing Vegeta's destruction"
Herms wrote:The fact that the ridiculous power inflation is presented so earnestly makes me just roll my eyes and snicker. Like with Freeza, where he starts off over 10 times stronger than all his henchmen except Ginyu (because...well, just because), then we find out he can transform and get even more powerful, and then he reveals he can transform two more times, before finally coming out with the fact that he hasn't even been using anywhere near 50% of his power. Oh, and he can survive in the vacuum of space. All this stuff is just presented as the way Freeza is, without even an attempt at rationalizing it, yet the tone dictates we're supposed to take all this silly grasping at straws as thrilling danger. So I guess I don't really take the power inflation in the Boo arc seriously, but I don't take the power inflation in earlier arcs seriously either, so there's no net loss of seriousness. I think a silly story presented as serious is harder to accept than a silly story presented as silly.
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Re: How much jump in power between 21st & 22nd Budokai?
Where was this stated? Korin said so?
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Re: How much jump in power between 21st & 22nd Budokai?
Yep.Angelus wrote:Where was this stated? Karin said so?
The Monkey King wrote:It was actually Beerus disguised as Zarbon #StayWokeRandomGuy96 wrote:He's probably referring to the Bardock special. Zarbon was the one who first recommended destroying Planet Vegeta because the saiyans were rapidly growing in strength.dbgtFO wrote: Please elaborate as I do not know what you mean by "pushing Vegeta's destruction"
Herms wrote:The fact that the ridiculous power inflation is presented so earnestly makes me just roll my eyes and snicker. Like with Freeza, where he starts off over 10 times stronger than all his henchmen except Ginyu (because...well, just because), then we find out he can transform and get even more powerful, and then he reveals he can transform two more times, before finally coming out with the fact that he hasn't even been using anywhere near 50% of his power. Oh, and he can survive in the vacuum of space. All this stuff is just presented as the way Freeza is, without even an attempt at rationalizing it, yet the tone dictates we're supposed to take all this silly grasping at straws as thrilling danger. So I guess I don't really take the power inflation in the Boo arc seriously, but I don't take the power inflation in earlier arcs seriously either, so there's no net loss of seriousness. I think a silly story presented as serious is harder to accept than a silly story presented as silly.
Re: How much jump in power between 21st & 22nd Budokai?
As I see it-
22nd Goku > 22nd J. Chun > 21st Goku = 21st J. Chun > 22nd Yamcha = 22nd Krillin > 21st Krillin > 21st Yamcha
Goku had the largest gain jumps
Master Roshi had the smallest gain jump, it was just a matter of getting back into shape
Krillin had a small jump
Yamcha had a large gain, comparable to Goku though they are at two different levels.
22nd Goku > 22nd J. Chun > 21st Goku = 21st J. Chun > 22nd Yamcha = 22nd Krillin > 21st Krillin > 21st Yamcha
Goku had the largest gain jumps
Master Roshi had the smallest gain jump, it was just a matter of getting back into shape
Krillin had a small jump
Yamcha had a large gain, comparable to Goku though they are at two different levels.
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Re: How much jump in power between 21st & 22nd Budokai?
Nope. 21st Budokai Goku is complete trash by this point in the story. Shotgun to the face > RRA arc Goku >= 21st Budokai Goku. Both Krillin and Yamcha were confident enough about taking on post-Karin Goku, and Roshi stated that all three of them were in the same league, at least before Goku showed off the fruits of his training. Everyone at the 22nd Budokai, from Chaozu to Goku, should be able to smoke Tao Paipai at this point, and he was over twice as strong as 21st Budokai Goku.21st Goku = 21st J. Chun > 22nd Yamcha = 22nd Krillin
Goku, who matched Roshi at the 21st, was stated to get many times stronger to beat Tao. Even ignoring that, he was completely crushed by a non-full power Tao also, and utterly crushed Tao in the rematch. After that, he trained more. Yet Roshi was still confident that he had far surpassed Goku by the time of the 22nd Budokai- a Goku who he expected to be a good deal stronger than the one that crushed Tao Paipai- and he was completely shocked by Goku's ability to easily beat down Chappa. No, Roshi's gains were enormous.Master Roshi had the smallest gain jump, it was just a matter of getting back into shape
The Monkey King wrote:It was actually Beerus disguised as Zarbon #StayWokeRandomGuy96 wrote:He's probably referring to the Bardock special. Zarbon was the one who first recommended destroying Planet Vegeta because the saiyans were rapidly growing in strength.dbgtFO wrote: Please elaborate as I do not know what you mean by "pushing Vegeta's destruction"
Herms wrote:The fact that the ridiculous power inflation is presented so earnestly makes me just roll my eyes and snicker. Like with Freeza, where he starts off over 10 times stronger than all his henchmen except Ginyu (because...well, just because), then we find out he can transform and get even more powerful, and then he reveals he can transform two more times, before finally coming out with the fact that he hasn't even been using anywhere near 50% of his power. Oh, and he can survive in the vacuum of space. All this stuff is just presented as the way Freeza is, without even an attempt at rationalizing it, yet the tone dictates we're supposed to take all this silly grasping at straws as thrilling danger. So I guess I don't really take the power inflation in the Boo arc seriously, but I don't take the power inflation in earlier arcs seriously either, so there's no net loss of seriousness. I think a silly story presented as serious is harder to accept than a silly story presented as silly.
Re: How much jump in power between 21st & 22nd Budokai?
Very large jumps in actual capability, as people have stated, but the power level jumps will be tiny. I like to semi-justify this with Toriyama talking about how muscular strength can only take you so far, and then you need ki to become the strongest in the universe. They were all using ki at that point, but it wasn't as overwhelming a factor as later on I guess.