does instant transmission = teleportation?

[i'mfuckingevil]

I know there is also a technique called instantaneous movement, so I suppose that should also be added to the discussion.

So first off, I'm under the impression that all the characters in the DBU can perform teleportation. I've almost all of them do it. With that being said, it seems that instant transmission is a much more advanced form of teleporting, in which the user can move in much greater distances, at much greater speeds, but it only works if they follow someone's ki, or something like that. I'm under the impression that instantaneous movement works just as well, but does not need to rely on following ki for a destination.

What's good?

[Kamiccolo9]

I know there is also a technique called instantaneous movement, so I suppose that should also be added to the discussion.

So first off, I'm under the impression that all the characters in the DBU can perform teleportation. I've almost all of them do it. With that being said, it seems that instant transmission is a much more advanced form of teleporting, in which the user can move in much greater distances, at much greater speeds, but it only works if they follow someone's ki, or something like that. I'm under the impression that instantaneous movement works just as well, but does not need to rely on following ki for a destination.

What's good?

Instant Transmission and Instantaneous Movement are both teleportation. The characters who don't use these techniques are not teleporting.

[i'mfuckingevil]

I know there is also a technique called instantaneous movement, so I suppose that should also be added to the discussion.

So first off, I'm under the impression that all the characters in the DBU can perform teleportation. I've almost all of them do it. With that being said, it seems that instant transmission is a much more advanced form of teleporting, in which the user can move in much greater distances, at much greater speeds, but it only works if they follow someone's ki, or something like that. I'm under the impression that instantaneous movement works just as well, but does not need to rely on following ki for a destination.

What's good?

Instant Transmission and Instantaneous Movement are both teleportation. The characters who don't use these techniques are not teleporting.

They don't? So what was Gohan doing when he was moving everyone to safety when fighting the Cell Jrs? Or what was Krillin doing when he was trying to distract Super Buu to help his friends and family escape? Or what was Gohan doing as Saiyaman when Videl was following him?

At least in the anime.

[Kamiccolo9]

I know there is also a technique called instantaneous movement, so I suppose that should also be added to the discussion.

So first off, I'm under the impression that all the characters in the DBU can perform teleportation. I've almost all of them do it. With that being said, it seems that instant transmission is a much more advanced form of teleporting, in which the user can move in much greater distances, at much greater speeds, but it only works if they follow someone's ki, or something like that. I'm under the impression that instantaneous movement works just as well, but does not need to rely on following ki for a destination.

What's good?

Instant Transmission and Instantaneous Movement are both teleportation. The characters who don't use these techniques are not teleporting.

They don't? So what was Gohan doing when he was moving everyone to safety when fighting the Cell Jrs? Or what was Krillin doing when he was trying to distract Super Buu to help his friends and family escape? Or what was Gohan doing as Saiyaman when Videl was following him?

At least in the anime.

Moving really fast.

[Kaboom]

Yes. The original "shunkan ido" is just the Japanese term for teleportation. English terms like "instant movement/transmission" are just more literal translations of those two words. Viz probably had the right idea in just calling it "Teleportation" rather than trying to sell it as a fancy technique word like FUNimation did.

The only characters I can remember who can teleport are Kami (to and from Enma's office), Goku (and half-Goku Fusions), the Yardratans, Kibito (and Kaioshin after they merged), and Pure Boo (after copying from Kaioshin). The more common "vanishing" seen by others like in the instances you listed is just using bursts of super-fast movement over short distances. Characters have been doing that since the 21st tournament way back in the early parts of the manga.

[Kamiccolo9]

Yes. The original "shunkan ido," is just the Japanese term for teleportation. English terms like "instant movement/transmission" are just more literal translations of those two words. Viz probably had the right idea in just calling it "Teleportation" rather than trying to sell it as a fancy technique word like FUNimation did.

The only characters I can remember who can teleport are Kami (to and from Enma's office), Goku (and half-Goku Fusions), the Yardratans, Kibito (and Kaioshin after they merged), and Pure Boo (after copying from Kaioshin). The more common "vanishing" seen by others like in the instances you listed is just using bursts of super-fast movement over short distances. Characters have been doing that since the 21st tournament way back in the early parts of the manga.

You forgot Super Perfect Cell. Kaio does it as well, in the anime (or at least the dub; I seem to recall there being some controversy over that a while back.) Oh, and Metal Cooler if you want to throw in the movies, but I'm of the opinion that regular Cooler could as well.

[Kaboom]

You forgot Super Perfect Cell. Kaio does it as well, in the anime (or at least the dub; I seem to recall there being some controversy over that a while back.) Oh, and Metal Cooler if you want to throw in the movies, but I'm of the opinion that regular Cooler could as well.

Oh right, Cell and Coola. Otherwise yeah, any indication of Kaio doing it is either an anime-only or dub-only thing.

[Darkprince410]

The Shunkan Idou and Kibito's Instantaneous Movement techniques are the only true teleportation abilities. When we see those instances of characters "blurring out" and disappearing from sight during battle, such as here, isn't actual teleportation, but simply super speed to where they're moving faster than ordinary eyes can see. Those individuals are still there, but simply moving at rates to where they can't be seen. However, because they're still there, they're still being affected (or potentially affected) by things around them.

Let's say there's a point A and a point B, and there's a huge rain storm going between the two points. An individual using Shunkan Idou could get between point A and B without getting wet, whereas individuals using super speed to the point where they can't physically be seen would still get wet.

You forgot Super Perfect Cell. Kaio does it as well, in the anime (or at least the dub; I seem to recall there being some controversy over that a while back.) Oh, and Metal Cooler if you want to throw in the movies, but I'm of the opinion that regular Cooler could as well.

Cell definitively can, as well as Meta Coola. I personally don't believe that regular Coola could, since I can't imagine him getting pushed into the Sun if he had a way of escaping like that.

As for Kaiou's situation, it's really hard to say. We know that it's anime only, but whether that was meant to actually be Shunkan Idou he was using during that filler scene is uncertain.

[Kamiccolo9]

You forgot Super Perfect Cell. Kaio does it as well, in the anime (or at least the dub; I seem to recall there being some controversy over that a while back.) Oh, and Metal Cooler if you want to throw in the movies, but I'm of the opinion that regular Cooler could as well.

Cell definitively can, as well as Meta Coola. I personally don't believe that regular Coola could, since I can't imagine him getting pushed into the Sun if he had a way of escaping like that.

The same reason Goku couldn't teleport during Pure Buu's attack when he destroyed the Earth: he couldn't concentrate on finding an energy source to teleport to.

[Herms]

Otherwise yeah, any indication of Kaio doing it is either an anime-only or dub-only thing.

It's a dub-only thing.

Kibito/Kaioshin/Pure Boo's form of teleportation is technically called "Kai-Kai", though this name is only used once in the manga, when Kibito takes Gohan to the Kaioshin Realm.

[Angelus]

The only difference between Goku's IT and Kibito's I'm is that Goku can teleport to a targeted "ki signature/s" while Kibito can teleport directly to a location.

[Tectorman]

What exactly does the anime say about King Kai? That he can do it himself, or merely that he could've taught it to Goku?

Because he teaches the Kaioken to Goku, and he specifically says that it's a technique he cannot himself do. And if he can teach one technique without being able to use it, he could do the same with multiple techniques.

[Darkprince410]

What exactly does the anime say about King Kai? That he can do it himself, or merely that he could've taught it to Goku?

Because he teaches the Kaioken to Goku, and he specifically says that it's a technique he cannot himself do. And if he can teach one technique without being able to use it, he could do the same with multiple techniques.

No, he specifically stated that it was a technique that he wasn't able to master, not that he wasn't able to do. As for the Kaiou scene, he mentions that he knows where it's from, and that he could have taught it to Goku had he asked. At the same time he was saying that, you see him seemingly teleport around rapidly, as if he were using it as well.

[flashback0180]

The fastest character for short distance in dbz would technically go to guldo.

[Friezacooler]

The fastest character for short distance in dbz would technically go to guldo.

didn't vegeta out speed him?

[Marco Polo]

You forgot Super Perfect Cell. Kaio does it as well, in the anime (or at least the dub; I seem to recall there being some controversy over that a while back.) Oh, and Metal Cooler if you want to throw in the movies, but I'm of the opinion that regular Cooler could as well.

But then again, according to the Metal Cooler OVA, the "teleportation" technique actually involves shifting yourself into some sort of subdimension (akin to hyperspace in science-fiction) and moving there before shifting back to the normal physical world. This is most probably not canon, of course.

[SaiyaJedi]

Re: original post

"Instantaneous Movement" is "Instant Transmission" is teleportation. That's what Shunkan Idō means.

(Yes, I know it's literally "instantaneous movement", but it's the standard gloss for the English word "teleportation".)

[Darkprince410]

You forgot Super Perfect Cell. Kaio does it as well, in the anime (or at least the dub; I seem to recall there being some controversy over that a while back.) Oh, and Metal Cooler if you want to throw in the movies, but I'm of the opinion that regular Cooler could as well.

But then again, according to the Metal Cooler OVA, the "teleportation" technique actually involves shifting yourself into some sort of subdimension (akin to hyperspace in science-fiction) and moving there before shifting back to the normal physical world. This is most probably not canon, of course.

Considering that it's only movies 6 and 8 that show that it works that way, and that nothing of the sort is ever said or suggested anywhere else, I think it's safe to say that it doesn't work that way.

[Kamiccolo9]

You forgot Super Perfect Cell. Kaio does it as well, in the anime (or at least the dub; I seem to recall there being some controversy over that a while back.) Oh, and Metal Cooler if you want to throw in the movies, but I'm of the opinion that regular Cooler could as well.

But then again, according to the Metal Cooler OVA, the "teleportation" technique actually involves shifting yourself into some sort of subdimension (akin to hyperspace in science-fiction) and moving there before shifting back to the normal physical world. This is most probably not canon, of course.

Considering that it's only movies 6 and 8 that show that it works that way, and that nothing of the sort is ever said or suggested anywhere else, I think it's safe to say that it doesn't work that way.

Would it working that way really contradict anything, though?

[Regarder]

In the first Broly movie, yet another version is shown, where transparent Goku flies through space really fast.