Can a half-Saiyan become a Super Saiyan God?

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Can a half-Saiyan become a Super Saiyan God?

Post by Polyphase Avatron » Sun Jan 18, 2015 4:47 am

Say, if they did the same process with Gohan that they did to Goku.
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Re: Can a half-Saiyan become a Super Saiyan God?

Post by EmmaWinters » Sun Jan 18, 2015 5:29 am

I don't see why not. Half-Saiyans can turn into regular Super Saiyans & seemed to count as a whole Saiyan in the ritual.
Then again, Pan counted too, and she's only a quarter Saiyan.
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Re: Can a half-Saiyan become a Super Saiyan God?

Post by SSJ4_Zankuto » Sun Jan 18, 2015 7:49 am

I believe it's possible for half-Saiyan like Son Gohan to transform into Super Saiyan God during the six Super Saiyan ritual.

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Post by Gyt Kaliba » Sun Jan 18, 2015 7:56 am

Pretty much what Nagger said - if they seem to count as Saiyan enough for the ritual to work and effect a full Saiyan, then I don't see why the same wouldn't be true of making them the God in the ritual.

Wen you think about it, boring as it would be to see or know had happened off-screen, it would be pretty smart of them to have just repeated the ritual until each of their Saiyan heritaged characters now had access to the God power...
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Re: Can a half-Saiyan become a Super Saiyan God?

Post by Low Tone G » Sun Jan 18, 2015 12:06 pm

Gyt Kaliba wrote:Pretty much what Nagger said - if they seem to count as Saiyan enough for the ritual to work and effect a full Saiyan, then I don't see why the same wouldn't be true of making them the God in the ritual.

Wen you think about it, boring as it would be to see or know had happened off-screen, it would be pretty smart of them to have just repeated the ritual until each of their Saiyan heritaged characters now had access to the God power...
Toriyama already confirmed that other Saiyans just like Goku can also become Gods with no problem, but their power will vary depend on personal power level.... I can not find that interview, but you can find in here on kanzenshuu...
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Re: Can a half-Saiyan become a Super Saiyan God?

Post by Kamiccolo9 » Sun Jan 18, 2015 12:34 pm

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Gyt Kaliba wrote:Pretty much what Nagger said - if they seem to count as Saiyan enough for the ritual to work and effect a full Saiyan, then I don't see why the same wouldn't be true of making them the God in the ritual.

Wen you think about it, boring as it would be to see or know had happened off-screen, it would be pretty smart of them to have just repeated the ritual until each of their Saiyan heritaged characters now had access to the God power...
Toriyama already confirmed that other Saiyans just like Goku can also become Gods with no problem, but their power will vary depend on personal power level.... I can not find that interview, but you can find in here on kanzenshuu...
Gohan isn't a "Saiyan like Goku." That's not evidence towards anything.
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Re: Can a half-Saiyan become a Super Saiyan God?

Post by Low Tone G » Sun Jan 18, 2015 5:57 pm

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Gyt Kaliba wrote:Pretty much what Nagger said - if they seem to count as Saiyan enough for the ritual to work and effect a full Saiyan, then I don't see why the same wouldn't be true of making them the God in the ritual.

Wen you think about it, boring as it would be to see or know had happened off-screen, it would be pretty smart of them to have just repeated the ritual until each of their Saiyan heritaged characters now had access to the God power...
Toriyama already confirmed that other Saiyans just like Goku can also become Gods with no problem, but their power will vary depend on personal power level.... I can not find that interview, but you can find in here on kanzenshuu...
Gohan isn't a "Saiyan like Goku." That's not evidence towards anything.
There are more surviving Saiyans other than Goku and Vegeta(maybe Tarble, who is an incompetent fighter) who Toriyama might have referred to? If not the half-breeds?
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Re: Can a half-Saiyan become a Super Saiyan God?

Post by Kamiccolo9 » Sun Jan 18, 2015 6:02 pm

Low Tone G wrote: There are more surviving Saiyans other than Goku and Vegeta(maybe Tarble, who is an incompetent fighter) who Toriyama might have referred to? If not the half-breeds?
Vegeta. Or the original SSJG, which I believe was the context of that question in the interview.
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Re: Can a half-Saiyan become a Super Saiyan God?

Post by Low Tone G » Sun Jan 18, 2015 6:12 pm

Kamiccolo9 wrote:
Low Tone G wrote: There are more surviving Saiyans other than Goku and Vegeta(maybe Tarble, who is an incompetent fighter) who Toriyama might have referred to? If not the half-breeds?
Vegeta. Or the original SSJG, which I believe was the context of that question in the interview.
I've mentioned Vegeta there, if you read it once again. But still, why couldn't be Gohan for example to be able to become a God, if he wants and the others agreed to do it?
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Re: Can a half-Saiyan become a Super Saiyan God?

Post by Kamiccolo9 » Sun Jan 18, 2015 6:24 pm

Low Tone G wrote:
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Low Tone G wrote: There are more surviving Saiyans other than Goku and Vegeta(maybe Tarble, who is an incompetent fighter) who Toriyama might have referred to? If not the half-breeds?
Vegeta. Or the original SSJG, which I believe was the context of that question in the interview.
I've mentioned Vegeta there, if you read it once again. But still, why couldn't be Gohan for example to be able to become a God, if he wants and the others agreed to do it?
He could be. But nothing says he is. And the explanation that Toriyama gave could be construed as to exclude Gohan, Goten, and Trunks.
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Post by Lord Beerus » Sun Jan 18, 2015 6:50 pm

Kamiccolo9 wrote: He could be. But nothing says he is. And the explanation that Toriyama gave could be construed as to exclude Gohan, Goten, and Trunks.
That would really suck if that were that case. I'd love to see SSJ God Gohan or Gotenks. But I guess pureblood Saiyans always get the bigger stick in the end.

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Re: Can a half-Saiyan become a Super Saiyan God?

Post by DBZGTKOSDH » Sun Jan 18, 2015 9:56 pm

They most likely can (I don't see why not, they have almost every other Saiyan trait), but it's never gonna happen, because they will end up stronger than Goku, and neither do they want that (they are not into fighting like Goku), neither does Toei & Toriyama want that (they are not the main protagonists, and they lost their chance).
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Superman is, and always has been, a symbol for truth, justice, and upstanding moral fortitude–a role model and leader as much as a fighter. The more down-to-earth Goku has no illusions about being responsible for maintaining social order, or for setting some kind of moral example for the entire world. Goku is simply a martial artist who’s devoted his life toward perfecting his fighting skills and other abilities. Though never shy about risking his life to save either one person or the entire world, he just doesn’t believe that the balance of the world rests in any way on his shoulders, and he has no need to shape any part of it in his image. Goku is an idealist, and believes that there is some good in everyone, but he is unconcerned with the big picture of the world…unless it has to do with some kind of fight. Politics, society, law and order don’t have much bearing on his life, but he’s a man who knows right from wrong.

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Re: Can a half-Saiyan become a Super Saiyan God?

Post by Polyphase Avatron » Mon Jan 19, 2015 8:02 am

Gyt Kaliba wrote:Wen you think about it, boring as it would be to see or know had happened off-screen, it would be pretty smart of them to have just repeated the ritual until each of their Saiyan heritaged characters now had access to the God power...
Goku should have also taught everyone Kaio-ken and Shunkan Idou but he didn't...
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Post by DBZGTKOSDH » Mon Jan 19, 2015 10:08 am

Polyphase Avatron wrote:Goku should have also taught everyone Kaio-ken and Shunkan Idou but he didn't...
Why should he?
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Superman is, and always has been, a symbol for truth, justice, and upstanding moral fortitude–a role model and leader as much as a fighter. The more down-to-earth Goku has no illusions about being responsible for maintaining social order, or for setting some kind of moral example for the entire world. Goku is simply a martial artist who’s devoted his life toward perfecting his fighting skills and other abilities. Though never shy about risking his life to save either one person or the entire world, he just doesn’t believe that the balance of the world rests in any way on his shoulders, and he has no need to shape any part of it in his image. Goku is an idealist, and believes that there is some good in everyone, but he is unconcerned with the big picture of the world…unless it has to do with some kind of fight. Politics, society, law and order don’t have much bearing on his life, but he’s a man who knows right from wrong.

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Post by Gyt Kaliba » Mon Jan 19, 2015 10:49 am

DBZGTKOSDH wrote:
Polyphase Avatron wrote:Goku should have also taught everyone Kaio-ken and Shunkan Idou but he didn't...
Why should he?
More powerful back-up when threats arrive. But then again, that's never really been something that Goku thinks about, so...fair point, that.
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Gyt Kaliba wrote:
DBZGTKOSDH wrote:
Polyphase Avatron wrote:Goku should have also taught everyone Kaio-ken and Shunkan Idou but he didn't...
Why should he?
More powerful back-up when threats arrive. But then again, that's never really been something that Goku thinks about, so...fair point, that.
Not only that, but other than the kids, the rest of the Z-Senshi have their own pride, and I doubt they would let Goku teach them thing, especially when Goku is their rival, and they are already humiliated for being so inferior to him. Gohan, Goten, and Trunks, they are not real fighters, and are not interested in martial arts that much, so I doubt they would try to learn difficult techniques that could take month, or even years, to master, if they can master them.
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Superman is, and always has been, a symbol for truth, justice, and upstanding moral fortitude–a role model and leader as much as a fighter. The more down-to-earth Goku has no illusions about being responsible for maintaining social order, or for setting some kind of moral example for the entire world. Goku is simply a martial artist who’s devoted his life toward perfecting his fighting skills and other abilities. Though never shy about risking his life to save either one person or the entire world, he just doesn’t believe that the balance of the world rests in any way on his shoulders, and he has no need to shape any part of it in his image. Goku is an idealist, and believes that there is some good in everyone, but he is unconcerned with the big picture of the world…unless it has to do with some kind of fight. Politics, society, law and order don’t have much bearing on his life, but he’s a man who knows right from wrong.

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Re: Can a half-Saiyan become a Super Saiyan God?

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DBZGTKOSDH wrote:Not only that, but other than the kids, the rest of the Z-Senshi have their own pride, and I doubt they would let Goku teach them thing, especially when Goku is their rival, and they are already humiliated for being so inferior to him. Gohan, Goten, and Trunks, they are not real fighters, and are not interested in martial arts that much, so I doubt they would try to learn difficult techniques that could take month, or even years, to master, if they can master them.
Not only that, but other than the kids, the rest of the Z-Senshi have their own pride, and I doubt they would let Goku teach them thing, especially when Goku is their rival, and they are already humiliated for being so inferior to him. Gohan, Goten, and Trunks, they are not real fighters, and are not interested in martial arts that much, so I doubt they would try to learn difficult techniques that could take month, or even years, to master, if they can master them.[/quote]The rest of the Z-Senshi have already admitted to being inferior to Goku. Yamcha, Tenshinhan and Kuririn have all done it on at least one occasion. So I honestly don't see why they wouldn't be okay learning a technique or two from Goku. And it's not like masters in actual martial arts don't do the same thing anyway. There have been meet-ups from various schools of martial arts that have supplied the others with moves.

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Hitiro wrote:The rest of the Z-Senshi have already admitted to being inferior to Goku. Yamcha, Tenshinhan and Kuririn have all done it on at least one occasion. So I honestly don't see why they wouldn't be okay learning a technique or two from Goku. And it's not like masters in actual martial arts don't do the same thing anyway. There have been meet-ups from various schools of martial arts that have supplied the others with moves.
Yamcha, Kuririn, Tenshinhan, Piccolo, Vegeta, they were all Goku's rivals in the past, and they were competing against each other. Even though they have all admitted that they are inferior to Goku (because that's the truth), I don't see them going to Goku and ask him for training. I think they would feel even more pathetic if they were brought to that, because they were once equals with Goku from the same generation, and they once wished to surpass Goku, not to become stronger with his help.
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Superman is, and always has been, a symbol for truth, justice, and upstanding moral fortitude–a role model and leader as much as a fighter. The more down-to-earth Goku has no illusions about being responsible for maintaining social order, or for setting some kind of moral example for the entire world. Goku is simply a martial artist who’s devoted his life toward perfecting his fighting skills and other abilities. Though never shy about risking his life to save either one person or the entire world, he just doesn’t believe that the balance of the world rests in any way on his shoulders, and he has no need to shape any part of it in his image. Goku is an idealist, and believes that there is some good in everyone, but he is unconcerned with the big picture of the world…unless it has to do with some kind of fight. Politics, society, law and order don’t have much bearing on his life, but he’s a man who knows right from wrong.

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DBZGTKOSDH wrote:
Hitiro wrote:The rest of the Z-Senshi have already admitted to being inferior to Goku. Yamcha, Tenshinhan and Kuririn have all done it on at least one occasion. So I honestly don't see why they wouldn't be okay learning a technique or two from Goku. And it's not like masters in actual martial arts don't do the same thing anyway. There have been meet-ups from various schools of martial arts that have supplied the others with moves.
Yamcha, Kuririn, Tenshinhan, Piccolo, Vegeta, they were all Goku's rivals in the past, and they were competing against each other. Even though they have all admitted that they are inferior to Goku (because that's the truth), I don't see them going to Goku and ask him for training. I think they would feel even more pathetic if they were brought to that, because they were once equals with Goku from the same generation, and they once wished to surpass Goku, not to become stronger with his help.
I don't get your reasoning. At the end of the day, they're friends. Goku didn't create the Kaioken technique so why would they be embarrassed to ask him how to achieve it? The same goes for instant transmission. Goku learned the former from King Kai & the latter from some random aliens. Goku would only be doing them a favor. The same favor he was given from King Kai & the Yardrats.

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Re: Can a half-Saiyan become a Super Saiyan God?

Post by Eternal Super Saiyan » Mon Jan 19, 2015 4:51 pm

I'm sure any Saiyan can do this. We saw Gohan, Goten and Trunks combine their powers to help Goku become one, and they're all half Saiyans.

All the ritual required were "six pure hearted Saiyans" - it doesn't say anything about a Saiyan needing to be full blooded. At least that's what I gathered from the English dub. I don't quite remember what Shenlong said in the JPN dub.
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