Freeza's overall role in this God Arc

[SRB2Unleashed]

I posted this in the Fukkatsu no F thread but I'm reposting it here and expanding on it a little. Basically, within this whole new arc told through the movies with the other 11 universes and gods of destruction, we can say we're in Dragon Ball Z's first new canon arc, the "god arc."

With Freeza's revival and possibly achieving God status, I do not believe he will be defeated or at the very extent, die at the end of FnF. Instead I believe Freeza will find a way to access the other universes and embarks on a journey to expand his empire and become even stronger than the other 11 gods of destruction. We know Freeza is the most influential villain in the whole manga and impacted the story (and with those saying he lived on through the likes of Cell) It would be a waste if he was revived and achieved a new power up just to die in the end. Especially since Toriyama said something along the lines of this was an idea he had for the manga but never got to do. Whether that just means reviving Freeza or if this whole God arc was something he planned to execute in the manga.

So, I believe Freeza will be the key to us learning more about the other 11 universes and gods of destruction, and of course the reason we're introduced to them on screen, leading to more conflicts for the Z-Fighters and for this arc to continue to develop Vegeta, since we know FnF will focus on him and that BoG already had huge highlights for his character.

Opinions and feedback are appreciated! Stay gold.

[Lord Beerus]

You lost me at "god arc".

In all seriousness, this is how the movie will play out: Freeza will gain a God form, Goku and Vegeta team up to defeat him and kill him for good. The End.

Freeza coming back is nothing more than a one-off thing that will lead to nothing more.

[Hellspawn28]

I don't want Freeza to die because it will feel like a waste if they bring him back and kill him off. Toriyama likes to surprise his fans and won't be a surprise if Freeza dies since everyone assumes that he will be killed off. I guess Freeza will be locked up in another realm because he is too strong or if he becomes immortal. There's a chance that he will escape and return another day.

[ZazamPow]

You lost me at "god arc".

In all seriousness, this is how the movie will play out: Freeza will gain a God form, Goku and Vegeta team up to defeat him and kill him for good. The End.

Freeza coming back is nothing more than a one-off thing that will lead to nothing more.

Talk about seeing the glass half empty.

We had the Saiyans arc, now we have the Gods arc. I like it.

[FortuneSSJ]

You lost me at "god arc".
In all seriousness, this is how the movie will play out: Freeza will gain a God form, Goku and Vegeta team up to defeat him and kill him for good. The End.
Freeza coming back is nothing more than a one-off thing that will lead to nothing more.

Seeing how BOG ended, thats not how Toriyama roll. If this was a Toei's movie, you were right.
But it isn't. so you can drop the gun.

[Lord Beerus]

You lost me at "god arc".
In all seriousness, this is how the movie will play out: Freeza will gain a God form, Goku and Vegeta team up to defeat him and kill him for good. The End.
Freeza coming back is nothing more than a one-off thing that will lead to nothing more.

Seeing how BOG ended, thats not how Toriyama roll. If this was a Toei's movie, you were right.
But it isn't. so you can drop the gun.

Actually, BOG ended with the whole "There are 12 universes that exist." And FnF doesn't seem to be building on that awesome concept. Unless we get some news about a possible epic twist in regards to the plot of the movie, the whole "12 universe" scenario seems to something that that was thrown in just for the hell of it and won't be brought up ever again. I hope I'm wrong though.

[Dyno]

"God Arc"... Fantastic!

It was always "Saiyan arc, Freeza arc, Androids arc and Buu arc", with these movies taking place in the manga continuity, and if Freeza indeed got the Godly Ki, we can safely say "God/Gods arc". Amazing, huh? Who could imagine Dragon Ball Z, after nineteen years, would receive a new saga with/in this proportion?

Dragon Ball Heroes just helps with "God Mission" thing. Folks, it is with pleasure I say: We are living... The Era of the Gods!

got carried away XD

[Tunjevina]

I posted this in the Fukkatsu no F thread but I'm reposting it here and expanding on it a little. Basically, within this whole new arc told through the movies with the other 11 universes and gods of destruction, we can say we're in Dragon Ball Z's first new canon arc, the "god arc."

With Freeza's revival and possibly achieving God status, I do not believe he will be defeated or at the very extent, die at the end of FnF. Instead I believe Freeza will find a way to access the other universes and embarks on a journey to expand his empire and become even stronger than the other 11 gods of destruction. We know Freeza is the most influential villain in the whole manga and impacted the story (and with those saying he lived on through the likes of Cell) It would be a waste if he was revived and achieved a new power up just to die in the end. Especially since Toriyama said something along the lines of this was an idea he had for the manga but never got to do. Whether that just means reviving Freeza or if this whole God arc was something he planned to execute in the manga.

So, I believe Freeza will be the key to us learning more about the other 11 universes and gods of destruction, and of course the reason we're introduced to them on screen, leading to more conflicts for the Z-Fighters and for this arc to continue to develop Vegeta, since we know FnF will focus on him and that BoG already had huge highlights for his character.

Opinions and feedback are appreciated! Stay gold.

I also thought the same thing the other day, I don't think Freeza is gonna day at the end of the movie, but rather he is gonna go or be sent to another Universe.

Today, I've got another idea, I wrote it in Fukkatsu no F thread:
Since we don't know much about Freeza's race, except that they are extremely powerful mutants, what if...Freeza & King Cold are from another Universe? That would explain their extreme power and how their race is a mystery. Maybe King Cold was sent to Universe #7 in a similar fashion as Goku was sent to Earth.
Information about the 12 Universes came from Beerus, and it's safe to say that he learned it from Whis. Whis could be the only creature in Universe #7 capable of moving freely between the Universes, so he would be the only one that knows about Freeza's race and what threat they pose to this and all the other Universes.

In all seriousness, this is how the movie will play out: Freeza will gain a God form, Goku and Vegeta team up to defeat him and kill him for good. The End.

It's not gonna be that simple, I don't think that's in Toriyama's style. He always adds new plot twists and unexpected things in every arc: Holy sacred water, Kami's lookout, Aliens, Otherworld training, Namekian Dragon Balls, Zenkai Boosts, Super Saiyan, Teleportation, Human-apsorbing Android-drinking bug looking dude, RoSaT, Fusion, Supreme-Kai...And it shouldn't be different for the movies, in BOG he added: God of Destruction, Super Saiyan God, mentioning of 12 Universes, Whis - a mysterious guy who is the strongest in our Universe...And so far the only new thing in FnF that we learned is that Freeza is not been reincarnated yet and is being tortured in hell (that's not even unexpected).
None of the above things are predictable, have more faith in Toriyama and expect the unexpected. In meanwhile, we can let our imagination run wild

[FortuneSSJ]

Actually, BOG ended with the whole "There are 12 universes that exist." And FnF doesn't seem to be building on that awesome concept. Unless we get some news about a possible epic twist in regards to the plot of the movie, the whole "12 universe" scenario seems to something that that was thrown in just for the hell of it and won't be brought up ever again. I hope I'm wrong though.

Building?! You can't tell that because nobody saw that coming, until watch the movie or being told by someone.
Actually the most suprising wasnt the 12 universes, but the villain winning in the end. This is a shounen and that barely happens.

Can you give me 5 shounen movies examples where the villain wins in the end?! As a guy that knows a lot about shounen, I would be interested.

[Big Momma]

I really don't see Freeza dying in this movie. Definitely not "for good".

[Lord Beerus]

Actually, BOG ended with the whole "There are 12 universes that exist." And FnF doesn't seem to be building on that awesome concept. Unless we get some news about a possible epic twist in regards to the plot of the movie, the whole "12 universe" scenario seems to something that that was thrown in just for the hell of it and won't be brought up ever again. I hope I'm wrong though.

Building?! Nobody saw that coming until watch the movie or being told by someone.
Actually the most suprising wasnt the 12 universes, but the villain winning in the end. This is a shounen and that barely happens.

Can you give me 5 shounen movies examples where the villain wins in the end?! As a guy that knows a lot about shounen, I would be interested.

Beerus doesn't really qualify as villain or "bad guy". He's more of an Anti-Villain.

[FortuneSSJ]

Beerus doesn't really qualify as villain or "bad guy". He's more of an Anti-Hero.

Fixed. Anti-Villain are the good guys (Z Fighters).
Yup, he's a cool guy but my point still stands and nobody beat him in the end.

[fadeddreams5]

Honestly, I see it being a generic revenge with jokes on the side. Frieza dies (or runs away), everyone laughs, and they move on. >.>

I don't expect Toriyama to explore the other 11 universes. That bit of dialogue was only inputted to emphasize the fact that no matter how strong Goku becomes, there will always be opponents even stronger. Additionally, this gives Toriyama leverage to create more stories in the future if he's still interested. By stories, I don't mean sagas or movies where the characters actually go to these universes, but stand-alone stories set in them, unrelated to DB, yet still related at the same time. It can also serve as a clever way to make a plausible crossover (e.g. One Piece universe actually being one of those 11).

I mean, you guys do realize these are UNIVERSES we're talking about, right? Not planets. He hasn't even fully expanded or explored DBZ's universe 7. Why would Frieza go on to rule other universes when he can't even rule his own? lol.

[Bullza]

I hope we get a Multiverse Arc.

[TheDevilsCorpse]

The events of Battle of Gods definitely place him into an antagonist role, but I'm not sure I'd really classify him as an anti anything. It's not like destroying planets to prevent universal stagnation or over population is specifically stated to be part of his own goals, he's just doing the job that he has been given.

I mean, you guys do realize these are UNIVERSES we're talking about, right? Not planets. He hasn't even fully expanded or explored DBZ's universe 7. Why would Freeza go on to rule other universes when he can't even rule his own? lol.

Would that not be a perfect reason to go to another universe? To escape from the dumb monkeys that keep preventing his rule because he's too stupid to to take the hint and not go back to challenge them when he does catch a break?

[Chuquita]

I like the idea of a "god arc" if only because it would heighten the chances of me getting to see more ssjg Gokû. :3
At worst, he gets dropped after BOG and is never spoken of again.

Freeza's role though, I think, will be something that leads to something else (and a third movie).

[fadeddreams5]

The events of Battle of Gods definitely place him into an antagonist role, but I'm not sure I'd really classify him as an anti anything. It's not like destroying planets to prevent universal stagnation or over population is specifically stated to be part of his own goals, he's just doing the job that he has been given.

I mean, you guys do realize these are UNIVERSES we're talking about, right? Not planets. He hasn't even fully expanded or explored DBZ's universe 7. Why would Freeza go on to rule other universes when he can't even rule his own? lol.

Would that not be a perfect reason to go to another universe? To escape from the dumb monkeys that keep preventing his rule because he's too stupid to to take the hint and not go back to challenge them when he does catch a break?

I mean, I guess I can see him doing it. But based on what Beerus implied to Goku, he would probably last less in another universe. lol. As far as Goku and co are concerned, why follow him?

[Dayspring]

I thought the Universe claim meant the realms of the cosmos. For example: Beerus's plane, Kaioshinkai, the Mortal Realm, the Afterlife, the Demon Realm, and possible the Room of Spirit and Time.

As for Freeza's role, it's thematically perfect. Now that we've entered the realm of godliness, then Goku needs to fight someone who is godly evil. The only truly evil people Goku has faced off against include Kid Buu, Freeza and Piccolo Daimao. The first on the list is slated to reincarnate as Uub and the last has already reincarnated as Piccolo. This leaves only one worthy adversary and that's Freeza. To bring in someone altogether new so shortly after BoG would be too much of a rehash of the Buu arc and BoG itself. With Freeza, it's a wholly different and engaging story while avoiding the problem.

There's also the potential that Freeza can finally be redeemed somehow. We've seen Tenshinhan, Piccolo and Vegeta all get redemption. Arguably, even Buu gets it. Cell doesn't need it because his evil wasn't his fault; he was following Gero's programming as his motivations. This means every engaging adversary Goku has faced off against besides Freeza has been redeemed. As a mortal, he deserves that chance as well.

I wonder if Videl and Pan's role in the film convinces him to live for a child/family. It would be interesting if Kuriiza is born at the end of the film.

[Lord Beerus]

Beerus doesn't really qualify as villain or "bad guy". He's more of an Anti-Hero.

Fixed. Anti-Villain are the good guys (Z Fighters).

Beerus is not an Anti-Hero in the slightest. Beerus is an antagonist. He's basically Mr Freeze.

You also don't seem to know what I mean when I said Beerus was an Anti-Villain. An Anti-Villain is an antagonist who isn't purely evil nor entirely unsympathetic; a character who doesn't seem to deserve being cast as the villain, perhaps cast arbitrarily as the villain because they are not the focus of the story but merely present a foil to the central figure.

I hope we get a Multiverse Arc.

That's what I'm waiting for.

[Dyno]

Multiverse arc would be pretty much the same concept of Dragon Ball GT... And I bet all my holy things a lot of people will complain about that too, like they complained about the concept on how to create Super Saiyan God.