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Post by Kamiccolo9 » Mon Mar 02, 2015 9:10 pm

SPOILERS FOR DRAGON BALL XENOVERSE AHEAD






So.... I know we've got the big general discussion thread, but I thought that this game, with it's more fleshed out story, deserved an in-universe thread as well, so the one in the gaming section can focus more on, well, gaming :P

To get things rolling, I'll start:

How strong is Demigra? Since Xenoverse seems to follow the events of an altered BoG, the fact that Goku, who is noted in-game to have retained the influence of his god form, was held off by Demigra's attack would indicate that the Demon God is at least on the level of SSJG Goku. And this is prior to him transforming.

However, Beerus is totally unconcerned with him, and if he manages to be knocked out in your two on one fight with Demigra, it's made clear that, in universe, Beerus is quitting out of laziness, not that he was actually defeated. There's also the fact that the Time Kaioshin considers a possessed Beerus to be the greatest thread, and Trunks considers Beerus being on your side as a sure victory against Demigra. So, I think it's safe to say he's weaker than Beerus.

So, Demigra's first form manages to impede post BoG base Goku, and he presumably gets stronger when he transforms, so, I think it's safe to say that his full power is at least on par with God Goku, but still weaker than Beerus.

Thoughts? Any other in universe topics from the game you want to bring up?
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Post by Dyno » Mon Mar 02, 2015 9:20 pm

Towa being Dabura's sister intrigues me, don't ask me why. :| Why is this relevant? What could that fact possibly bring to the sequel?

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Post by Kamiccolo9 » Mon Mar 02, 2015 9:23 pm

Dyno wrote:Towa being Dabura's sister intrigues me, don't ask me why. :| Why is this relevant? What could that fact possibly bring to the sequel?
I liked the tie-in to the Demon Realm.

If I understood correctly, Mira was created by Towa to be a new Demon King after Dabura's death, and neither of them were working with Demigra, who is a (the?) god of the Demon Realm.

I'm really hoping that this stuff is expanded on in the DLC, since it seems that the second batch of DLC will include new missions for the story. With the obvious cliffhanger of Mira's consciousness and Towa still being around, I feel that that's the obvious place for them to turn to.
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Post by dbzfan7 » Mon Mar 02, 2015 10:43 pm

Kamiccolo9 wrote:SPOILERS FOR DRAGON BALL XENOVERSE AHEAD






So.... I know we've got the big general discussion thread, but I thought that this game, with it's more fleshed out story, deserved an in-universe thread as well, so the one in the gaming section can focus more on, well, gaming :P

To get things rolling, I'll start:

How strong is Demigra? Since Xenoverse seems to follow the events of an altered BoG, the fact that Goku, who is noted in-game to have retained the influence of his god form, was held off by Demigra's attack would indicate that the Demon God is at least on the level of SSJG Goku. And this is prior to him transforming.

However, Beerus is totally unconcerned with him, and if he manages to be knocked out in your two on one fight with Demigra, it's made clear that, in universe, Beerus is quitting out of laziness, not that he was actually defeated. There's also the fact that the Time Kaioshin considers a possessed Beerus to be the greatest thread, and Trunks considers Beerus being on your side as a sure victory against Demigra. So, I think it's safe to say he's weaker than Beerus.

So, Demigra's first form manages to impede post BoG base Goku, and he presumably gets stronger when he transforms, so, I think it's safe to say that his full power is at least on par with God Goku, but still weaker than Beerus.

Thoughts? Any other in universe topics from the game you want to bring up?
I have no idea man. I know that your CAC goes from Atrocious Freeza level, to equal with Super Boo according to in universe statements...so I can get 100x stronger than Super Boo when I go Super Saiyan 2. I am a beast.
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Kamiccolo9 wrote:
Dyno wrote:Towa being Dabura's sister intrigues me, don't ask me why. :| Why is this relevant? What could that fact possibly bring to the sequel?
I liked the tie-in to the Demon Realm.

If I understood correctly, Mira was created by Towa to be a new Demon King after Dabura's death, and neither of them were working with Demigra, who is a (the?) god of the Demon Realm.

I'm really hoping that this stuff is expanded on in the DLC, since it seems that the second batch of DLC will include new missions for the story. With the obvious cliffhanger of Mira's consciousness and Towa still being around, I feel that that's the obvious place for them to turn to.
The familial relation may not really serve any purpose other than to ground her into the franchise so that Towa didn't just literally appear out of nowhere with the time travel thing.

I'm not sure if she actually created him to be the new Demon King. It's possible she created him to unbind Makai or maybe kill someone "unworthy" that took her brother's throne after his death? We didn't get a lot of details to go with the information we did get. All we can really say is that's the role he now has.

The Time Kaioshin says Demigra invades her realm and calls himself a "Demon God." The way that's phrased in English makes it sound like he's not the God of Makai in the same way that the Time Kaioshin is a god of time, just that he's grown powerful and calls himself that. It would be nice to have someone like Herms double check that via Youtube or something.

I'm excited for the continuation of the story as well, but I wouldn't get your hopes up just yet for it to be in the DLC. Back when the game was first leaking, I was hoping that the continuation might start in the Broli/Bardock stuff. Look how that turned out; delayed magic from Demigra... :/
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Post by flashback0180 » Tue Mar 03, 2015 4:09 pm

What's the most impressive feat in the game. Like we have all these new godtier characters, but what can they do?

Is there any animation like time warping, solar system busting... Kind of stuff.

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Post by Kamiccolo9 » Tue Mar 03, 2015 4:14 pm

flashback0180 wrote:What's the most impressive feat in the game. Like we have all these new godtier characters, but what can they do?

Is there any animation like time warping, solar system busting... Kind of stuff.
Demigra almost makes time collapse on itself or something by destroying Toki Toki, but that's not really a feat of his own. If in-game progression is anything to go by, Mira's on the level, or a bit above that, of Fat Buu. Demigra dodges an attack from Beerus at pretty close range, so there's that, although you can't really say how serious Beerus was there. Demigra also forms an attack that takes out both Goku and the CaC for a brief time, while Goku is in his SSJ3 state.
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flashback0180 wrote:What's the most impressive feat in the game. Like we have all these new godtier characters, but what can they do?

Is there any animation like time warping, solar system busting... Kind of stuff.
Demigra almost makes time collapse on itself or something by destroying Toki Toki, but that's not really a feat of his own. If in-game progression is anything to go by, Mira's on the level, or a bit above that, of Fat Buu. Demigra dodges an attack from Beerus at pretty close range, so there's that, although you can't really say how serious Beerus was there. Demigra also forms an attack that takes out both Goku and the CaC for a brief time, while Goku is in his SSJ3 state.
Demigra dodged that with his weaker mirage like thing. He also gets stronger once you fight the real deal. Stronger again when he's trying. Finally he gets stronger once he transforms.

Tokitoki I think has powers...not sure what they are.

CAC's power impresses the gods as well as Trunks I think, so they'd have to be pretty powerful to do that. Guys like SSJ3 Gotenks, Ultimate Gohan, Fat Boo, and LOLRAGETA were pretty disappointing to them. As I said before the last true comparison was the boys saying CAC's are equal to Super Boo, which makes CAC's at the time also around SSJ3 Gotenks level.

Mira is comfortably stronger than Fat Boo and SSJ3 Goku if he could beat them both from what sounded easily.

SSJ3 Goku post saga I have no clue about. It seems like they portray Goku as just not having his God powers absorbed like they do in the movies. So I guess just somewhat above the usual SSJ3 Goku we know.
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Post by KentalSSJ6 » Thu Mar 05, 2015 12:17 pm

Going with the whole new number system Toriyama uses, I would say Demigra is a 7 or 8 to Goku's 6 and Beerus's 10.
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KentalSSJ6 wrote:Going with the whole new number system Toriyama uses, I would say Demigra is a 7 or 8 to Goku's 6 and Beerus's 10.
That sounds about fair.

Do you guys think the game can actually be considered canon? Like we learned in the Androids/Cyborgs arc (whichever name makes you happy), going back in time doesn't actually effect anything in the present, it just creates a completely new timeline, so theoretically the game could have happened and it wouldn't affect Dragon Ball at all, besides the developments with Future Trunks, but I actually think working for the Time Patrol is a fitting conclusion for him.
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ZazamPow wrote:
KentalSSJ6 wrote:Going with the whole new number system Toriyama uses, I would say Demigra is a 7 or 8 to Goku's 6 and Beerus's 10.
That sounds about fair.

Do you guys think the game can actually be considered canon? Like we learned in the Androids/Cyborgs arc (whichever name makes you happy), going back in time doesn't actually effect anything in the present, it just creates a completely new timeline, so theoretically the game could have happened and it wouldn't affect Dragon Ball at all, besides the developments with Future Trunks, but I actually think working for the Time Patrol is a fitting conclusion for him.
No it can't. Too many contradictions.
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dbzfan7 wrote:
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KentalSSJ6 wrote:Going with the whole new number system Toriyama uses, I would say Demigra is a 7 or 8 to Goku's 6 and Beerus's 10.
That sounds about fair.

Do you guys think the game can actually be considered canon? Like we learned in the Androids/Cyborgs arc (whichever name makes you happy), going back in time doesn't actually effect anything in the present, it just creates a completely new timeline, so theoretically the game could have happened and it wouldn't affect Dragon Ball at all, besides the developments with Future Trunks, but I actually think working for the Time Patrol is a fitting conclusion for him.
No it can't. Too many contradictions.
Such as...?
Kamiccolo9 wrote:I swear, the Gohan fanboys won't be happy unless he just bends over and farts all of Freeza's men into the sun.
fadeddreams5 wrote: Honestly, this would only make me slightly satisfied. To make me happy, he'd also have to grab Freeza by the tail, drag him to the nearest toilet, and give him swirlies until he submits and calls him "daddy."

Gohan deserves it.

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Post by dbzfan7 » Thu Mar 05, 2015 6:53 pm

ZazamPow wrote: Such as...?
Goku using all his forms when Toriyama says he pretty much gave them up after Battle of Gods.
Demigra never being mentioned, and never will be mentioned even though he destroyed all of time.
Trunks from the Future being insanely strong to the point he impresses the Gods. Not even SSJ3 Gotenks, Ultimate Gohan, or LOLRAGETA were impressive to them.
With all the changes in history, no one remembers them. (I believe they fixed the whole split timeline thing. I hear that was mentioned somewhere)
Nobody knows who the Kaioshin of Time is. It's hard not to know she existed. She's never mentioned among the Kaioshin.
Your character is a super powerful warrior who never decides to help out when he or she could be needed. Even though you're practically god tier.

Probably more that others can point out.
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ZazamPow wrote:Do you guys think the game can actually be considered canon? Like we learned in the Androids/Cyborgs arc (whichever name makes you happy), going back in time doesn't actually effect anything in the present, it just creates a completely new timeline, so theoretically the game could have happened and it wouldn't affect Dragon Ball at all, besides the developments with Future Trunks, but I actually think working for the Time Patrol is a fitting conclusion for him.
Xenoverse's story directly states the contrary. Normal time travel with time machines typically used throughout the universe cause timelines to split because they are "primitive". The scrolls used by the players (Book of Endings and Beginnings) as well as the magic(?) used by Towa and Demigra don't cause said splits. That's the whole plot point behind Towa trying to erase Trunks from existence.

(The Time Kaioshin also managed to develop time machines that don't cause splits in order to help the Time Patrol complete their Parallel Quests/Runaway Time Fragments/whatever.)
dbzfan7 wrote:Goku using all his forms when Toriyama says he pretty much gave them up after Battle of Gods.
Demigra never being mentioned, and never will be mentioned even though he destroyed all of time.
Trunks from the Future being insanely strong to the point he impresses the Gods. Not even SSJ3 Gotenks, Ultimate Gohan, or LOLRAGETA were impressive to them.
With all the changes in history, no one remembers them. (I believe they fixed the whole split timeline thing. I hear that was mentioned somewhere)
Nobody knows who the Kaioshin of Time is. It's hard not to know she existed. She's never mentioned among the Kaioshin.
Your character is a super powerful warrior who never decides to help out when he or she could be needed. Even though you're practically god tier.

Probably more that others can point out.
Some of those aren't even plot holes.

Timeline tweaking shenanigans aside, Demigra isn't even encountered by anyone but Goku sometime after Battle of Gods. There was no reason to bring him up in the Uub portion and we're just now getting another post BOG movie. Granted I'm sure no Xenoverse content will be mentioned, but there was no reason for him to be till now either. As for Demigra in a general sense, he isn't mentioned until he needs to be mentioned. Same way Freeza wasn't mentioned until after Vegeta is defeated, or Buu isn't mentioned until Babidi shows up. He was sealed in the TIme Chasm and had no reason to be brought up until he tried to escape within the game's story.

How is the Time Kaioshin a plothole? Beerus apparently knows of her. Elder Kaioshin would likely know of her, but would have no reason to say anything either. The current East Kaioshin is a noob that doesn't even know about Potara, so not knowing about a god that exists in an entirely different realm and has "always been alone" (excluding Toki Toki) as per the game's story isn't surprising.

Your character isn't supposed to step into events they have no place interfering in. They are a member of the Time Patrol and their job is to correct history that has gone off course, not solve "normal" problems.
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Post by Saiyan007 » Thu Mar 05, 2015 7:57 pm

Demigra with all his abilities would make a great Canon Villian he would cause huge problems for the Z fighters

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dbzfan7 wrote:Goku using all his forms when Toriyama says he pretty much gave them up after Battle of Gods.
Demigra never being mentioned, and never will be mentioned even though he destroyed all of time.
Trunks from the Future being insanely strong to the point he impresses the Gods. Not even SSJ3 Gotenks, Ultimate Gohan, or LOLRAGETA were impressive to them.
With all the changes in history, no one remembers them. (I believe they fixed the whole split timeline thing. I hear that was mentioned somewhere)
Nobody knows who the Kaioshin of Time is. It's hard not to know she existed. She's never mentioned among the Kaioshin.
Your character is a super powerful warrior who never decides to help out when he or she could be needed. Even though you're practically god tier.

Probably more that others can point out.
Some of those aren't even plot holes.

Timeline tweaking shenanigans aside, Demigra isn't even encountered by anyone but Goku sometime after Battle of Gods. There was no reason to bring him up in the Uub portion and we're just now getting another post BOG movie. Granted I'm sure no Xenoverse content will be mentioned, but there was no reason for him to be till now either. As for Demigra in a general sense, he isn't mentioned until he needs to be mentioned. Same way Freeza wasn't mentioned until after Vegeta is defeated, or Buu isn't mentioned until Babidi shows up. He was sealed in the TIme Chasm and had no reason to be brought up until he tried to escape within the game's story.

How is the Time Kaioshin a plothole? Beerus apparently knows of her. Elder Kaioshin would likely know of her, but would have no reason to say anything either. The current East Kaioshin is a noob that doesn't even know about Potara, so not knowing about a god that exists in an entirely different realm and has "always been alone" (excluding Toki Toki) as per the game's story isn't surprising.

Your character isn't supposed to step into events they have no place interfering in. They are a member of the Time Patrol and their job is to correct history that has gone off course, not solve "normal" problems.
Trunks, Goten, and I'm pretty sure Piccolo may know of him. The boys especially since they could see him clear as day The others who were brainwashed by him may have had to face him first, or not.

I mean it's very unlikely they'll mention Demigra outside of these games, as there's no real desire to make them fit along side the series as canonical. It's merely a scenario made as fan service for us. It's highly unlikely they will count the events of Xenoverse.

Speaking of time, if the scrolls don't split up the timeline, how come no one remembers you? No one goes "Hey I saw that person before" or "Hey you helped me out back then". That I don't know if it's a plothole or not.

I just find it odd no one has heard of her. Her job is so important, yet none of the gods are aware of her existence or know she might exist. I guess they were never asked, but then Appule could have a super strong brother no one asked about either.

True, it's kinda the lame ass god stand point the series has done numerous times.
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dbzfan7 wrote:Trunks, Goten, and I'm pretty sure Piccolo may know of him. The boys especially since they could see him clear as day The others who were brainwashed by him may have had to face him first, or not.

I mean it's very unlikely they'll mention Demigra outside of these games, as there's no real desire to make them fit along side the series as canonical. It's merely a scenario made as fan service for us. It's highly unlikely they will count the events of Xenoverse.

Speaking of time, if the scrolls don't split up the timeline, how come no one remembers you? No one goes "Hey I saw that person before" or "Hey you helped me out back then". That I don't know if it's a plothole or not.

I just find it odd no one has heard of her. Her job is so important, yet none of the gods are aware of her existence or know she might exist. I guess they were never asked, but then Appule could have a super strong brother no one asked about either.
Perhaps something happens with history and the memories of those affected when it's corrected and the TIme Kaioshin does the scroll fixing thing? Perhaps the stuff that shouldn't have happened gets extracted and returns things to normal, and the temporary distortion that causes is what causes the Parallel Quests/Runaway Time Fragments to splinter off? It's mentioned they occur because the history changing causes the scroll to start to split and then it returns back to normal once history is corrected (unlike normal time machine splits). I don't really know. It's never really mentioned how all this works anyway with the timelines and possessions. I love the game, and it's a pretty good story considering some of the previous bullshit we've went through (Shin Budokai 2), but they didn't get super detailed on some of the stuff they could have (and should have IMO).

Agreed. If I can make it work for myself without it getting too out of hand, I will. The series itself and subsequent material all have some sort of inconsistencies, so I can accept some if they aren't too big. Though what counts as big will vary by individual taste.

Kind of leading back to the first paragraph, this is why I wonder if the TIme Kaioshin's scroll antics don't return the timeline back to what we know from the normal series once things are corrected enough to keep events flowing as they should? Because none of the main series characters recognize you, but future Trunks clearly does. You go back to save him from 17 and 18, and then he remembers you when you you return to stop Cell. When the mission is over and you came back to Toki Toki City, he has memories of you from the past and thanks you for helping. So maybe since Trunks was part of the TIme Patrol, the Time Kaioshin didn't do his time magic voodoo to return it back to the normal we knew?

Well, I wouldn't say it's a plothole, but maybe it is getting a little overused to some people? It's notable Dragon Ball fashion to have some new thing introduced that either no one has heard of, that they've never seen/interacted with personally or never mentioned until they're relevant. Especially gods. Kami didn't mention Kaio till the right time in the Saiyan Arc, Kaio didn't mention Dai Kaio till they went there (in the anime atleast), Piccolo freaks out over Kaioshin being a thing and even Kaio is has his own "that's the kaioshin?!" episode despite them both being Shinjin, etc. There's always the option that just no one asked before now and so it was never brought up, but I guess the Time Kaioshin's position may be important for the universe, but perhaps that doesn't mean it needs to be well known? Like I said last post, the game says she's "always" been alone (except Toki Toki). Perhaps it was initially believed the less people that know the better (Demigra fro DBXV, Mira in DBO)? It's possible that her realm and position are just so remote that last time she interacted with any other gods was way before the current generation of Kaio and Kaioshin, so her and her role became...lost to time? Hence why Beerus and Whis know her, and the Elder Kaioshin might too if he wasn't sealed by Beerus before Demigra attacked?

I personally don't have a problem with her just being a god that was never mentioned till she needed to be. I'm sure there are a few more out there too. Not like a full Greek pantheon or anything, just maybe one or two others for some of the bigger things in a similar vein to creation, destruction, time, etc. I also wouldn't be surprised if there were a god for each of the twelve universes (Uchushin?) and one that watches over those gods (Dai Uchushin?).
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Post by ZazamPow » Thu Mar 05, 2015 11:34 pm

dbzfan7 wrote:
TheDevilsCorpse wrote:
Saiyan007 wrote:Demigra with all his abilities would make a great Canon Villian he would cause huge problems for the Z fighters
Agreed. Switch Freeza with Demigra for Fukkatsu no D.
Personally I found Demigra terribly uninteresting and generic. Just because he was powerful doesn't mean he's a good villain, what did he do in the game that you guys actually found entertaining?
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Post by Pantalones » Thu Mar 05, 2015 11:35 pm

I also wouldn't be surprised if there were a god for each of the twelve universes (Uchushin?) and one that watches over those gods (Dai Uchushin?).
Whis is looking like an extremely likely candidate for this sort of position if they decide to go in this direction with the Dragonball pantheon.

Super-insanely-strong beyond anything else ever seen even though he never seems to actually fight (or even have much interest in fighting), the God of Destruction himself refers to the guy as his martial-arts master who trained him to be as strong as he is now, and is apparently in a position where he can offer said God of Destruction role to someone else? "Just an attendant" seems unlikely.

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Re: Official Unofficial Xenoverse In-Universe Topic SPOILERS

Post by dbzfan7 » Thu Mar 05, 2015 11:42 pm

TheDevilsCorpse wrote:
dbzfan7 wrote:Trunks, Goten, and I'm pretty sure Piccolo may know of him. The boys especially since they could see him clear as day The others who were brainwashed by him may have had to face him first, or not.

I mean it's very unlikely they'll mention Demigra outside of these games, as there's no real desire to make them fit along side the series as canonical. It's merely a scenario made as fan service for us. It's highly unlikely they will count the events of Xenoverse.

Speaking of time, if the scrolls don't split up the timeline, how come no one remembers you? No one goes "Hey I saw that person before" or "Hey you helped me out back then". That I don't know if it's a plothole or not.

I just find it odd no one has heard of her. Her job is so important, yet none of the gods are aware of her existence or know she might exist. I guess they were never asked, but then Appule could have a super strong brother no one asked about either.
Perhaps something happens with history and the memories of those affected when it's corrected and the TIme Kaioshin does the scroll fixing thing? Perhaps the stuff that shouldn't have happened gets extracted and returns things to normal, and the temporary distortion that causes is what causes the Parallel Quests/Runaway Time Fragments to splinter off? It's mentioned they occur because the history changing causes the scroll to start to split and then it returns back to normal once history is corrected (unlike normal time machine splits). I don't really know. It's never really mentioned how all this works anyway with the timelines and possessions. I love the game, and it's a pretty good story considering some of the previous bullshit we've went through (Shin Budokai 2), but they didn't get super detailed on some of the stuff they could have (and should have IMO).

Agreed. If I can make it work for myself without it getting too out of hand, I will. The series itself and subsequent material all have some sort of inconsistencies, so I can accept some if they aren't too big. Though what counts as big will vary by individual taste.

Kind of leading back to the first paragraph, this is why I wonder if the TIme Kaioshin's scroll antics don't return the timeline back to what we know from the normal series once things are corrected enough to keep events flowing as they should? Because none of the main series characters recognize you, but future Trunks clearly does. You go back to save him from 17 and 18, and then he remembers you when you you return to stop Cell. When the mission is over and you came back to Toki Toki City, he has memories of you from the past and thanks you for helping. So maybe since Trunks was part of the TIme Patrol, the Time Kaioshin didn't do his time magic voodoo to return it back to the normal we knew?

Well, I wouldn't say it's a plothole, but maybe it is getting a little overused to some people? It's notable Dragon Ball fashion to have some new thing introduced that either no one has heard of, that they've never seen/interacted with personally or never mentioned until they're relevant. Especially gods. Kami didn't mention Kaio till the right time in the Saiyan Arc, Kaio didn't mention Dai Kaio till they went there (in the anime atleast), Piccolo freaks out over Kaioshin being a thing and even Kaio is has his own "that's the kaioshin?!" episode despite them both being Shinjin, etc. There's always the option that just no one asked before now and so it was never brought up, but I guess the Time Kaioshin's position may be important for the universe, but perhaps that doesn't mean it needs to be well known? Like I said last post, the game says she's "always" been alone (except Toki Toki). Perhaps it was initially believed the less people that know the better (Demigra fro DBXV, Mira in DBO)? It's possible that her realm and position are just so remote that last time she interacted with any other gods was way before the current generation of Kaio and Kaioshin, so her and her role became...lost to time? Hence why Beerus and Whis know her, and the Elder Kaioshin might too if he wasn't sealed by Beerus before Demigra attacked?

I personally don't have a problem with her just being a god that was never mentioned till she needed to be. I'm sure there are a few more out there too. Not like a full Greek pantheon or anything, just maybe one or two others for some of the bigger things in a similar vein to creation, destruction, time, etc. I also wouldn't be surprised if there were a god for each of the twelve universes (Uchushin?) and one that watches over those gods (Dai Uchushin?).
Agreed. I don't get how this is all 1 timeline, and no one remembers you. That's kinda why I thought they were all split, hence why the whole reaction kept happening again and again. Though I guess I don't really know the Kaioshin of times powers or Tokitoki's powers.

That's pretty much all I got to. Only Trunks remembers. That's why I gotta ask if Kaioshin of time or Tokitoki is doing that. Demigra did want Tokitoki...so maybe it's his doing?

I can see no lower god knowing of her, but wouldn't the Kaioshin know of her? We never see Elder Kaioshin speak to her....which is such a missed opportunity as I bet their interaction would have been hilarious.

Yeah but it's kinda getting silly. This could be used to bring in literally anything now. Goku could have a 3rd brother. Krillin could have a mother from the stars. Where does it end?
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