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Prince (but not King) Vegeta

Post by ABED » Mon Mar 09, 2015 5:16 pm

Does anyone else find it interesting that even though Vegeta's father died decades before we first meet Vegeta, he still considers himself the Prince of all Saiyans. Why do you think he thinks of himself as a prince and not a king? Do you think it's out of respect for his father? Something else?
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Post by Kamiccolo9 » Mon Mar 09, 2015 5:18 pm

ABED wrote:Does anyone else find it interesting that even though Vegeta's father died decades before we first meet Vegeta, he still considers himself the Prince of all Saiyans. Why do you think he thinks of himself as a prince and not a king? Do you think it's out of respect for his father? Something else?
He was never coronated. Maybe a ceremony is required before a Saiyan can officially be declared king?
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Post by Dayspring » Mon Mar 09, 2015 5:32 pm

Keep in mind that his kingdom (Planet Vegeta) has been destroyed. That means his title of prince would continue to exist, but he'd never succeed the throne since the throne no longer exists.

Though truthfully, I think it's just Toriyama not thinking things through. :P
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Re: Prince (but not King) Vegeta

Post by Marco Polo » Mon Mar 09, 2015 5:39 pm

You don't become king when the previous king dies, you become king when you are coronated. For example, in real life, Louis XX, the descendant of the last king of France, is known as a prince (as well as a duke) but obviously not a king.
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Post by Dyno » Mon Mar 09, 2015 5:53 pm

Kinda off-topic, but when Vegeta died twice in his life, Tarble got the "Prince of all Saiyans" title.
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Post by Kamiccolo9 » Mon Mar 09, 2015 5:55 pm

Dyno wrote:Kinda off-topic, but when Vegeta died twice in his life, Tarble got the "Prince of all Saiyans" title.
Tarble was exiled/disowned. He got nothing.
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Post by ABED » Mon Mar 09, 2015 7:00 pm

I get the whole coronation thing, but since there's no civilization left and he makes the rules, you'd think he wouldn't care about the formalities, but maybe he does for this one custom.
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Post by DBZGTKOSDH » Mon Mar 09, 2015 7:10 pm

I can't stand the "Prince of all Saiyans" title from the dub... :x It's "Saiyan Prince" for god's sake!
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Re: Prince (but not King) Vegeta

Post by Super Sonic » Mon Mar 09, 2015 7:17 pm

Marco Polo wrote:You don't become king when the previous king dies, you become king when you are coronated. For example, in real life, Louis XX, the descendant of the last king of France, is known as a prince (as well as a duke) but obviously not a king.
They're still around? Thought they all got guillotined.

On topic, closest thing I can think of is how some girls' media things have rulers be princesses instead of queens. Though that's more of some things of how little girls like princesses but not queens for some reason.
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Post by Lord Beerus » Mon Mar 09, 2015 8:06 pm

DBZGTKOSDH wrote:I can't stand the "Prince of all Saiyans" title from the dub... :x It's "Saiyan Prince" for god's sake!
It's all relative. He is Saiyan Prince, and at the same time, Prince of all Saiyans, because, well, he technically is. :P

Just like how King Vegeta is Saiyan King and King/Ruler of all Saiyan. They don't hand out titles like "Saiyan King" and "Saiyan Prince" to every shmuck.
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Post by DarkPrince_92 » Mon Mar 09, 2015 8:09 pm

My guess is similar to Kamiccolo's. There's probably a process that goes into being "King". I know Vegeta could care less about his father so it's definitely not out of respect.
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Re: Prince (but not King) Vegeta

Post by IDreamtIWasABee » Mon Mar 09, 2015 8:31 pm

A prince is the most exalted person in the land. A king holds title to that land.

The king of Prussia was only king of lands outside the realm of the Holy Roman Empire, for example, but he was a prince in all of his domains.

I imagine Japanese feudalism had similar distinctions.
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Post by Kamiccolo9 » Mon Mar 09, 2015 8:34 pm

IDreamtIWasABee wrote:A prince is the most exalted person in the land. A king holds title to that land.

The king of Prussia was only king of lands outside the realm of the Holy Roman Empire, for example, but he was a prince in all of them.

I imagine Japanese feudalism had similar distinctions.
Japanese feudalism had the Emperor as a divinely ordained figurehead, while the shogun had all the real power.

Individual local rulers, Daimyo, were vassals of the shogun, and roughly analogous, I suppose, to Dukes or Princes.
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Re: Prince (but not King) Vegeta

Post by ZazamPow » Mon Mar 09, 2015 9:35 pm

DBZGTKOSDH wrote:I can't stand the "Prince of all Saiyans" title from the dub... :x It's "Saiyan Prince" for god's sake!
Does it really make that much of a difference? I for one find Prince of all Saiyans to be more epic than the straightforward Saiyan Prince.
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Post by Chronic_mcduffin » Mon Mar 09, 2015 11:37 pm

DBZGTKOSDH wrote:I can't stand the "Prince of all Saiyans" title from the dub... :x It's "Saiyan Prince" for god's sake!
I don't like Sabat's portrayal at all, really. So, when I hear him say this, I don't like it. But it's never been the words themselves that I didn't like.
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Re: Prince (but not King) Vegeta

Post by sintzu » Mon Mar 09, 2015 11:52 pm

Maybe out of respect for his father.

It would be epic if he declares himself king after killing Freeza.
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Post by ZazamPow » Mon Mar 09, 2015 11:56 pm

Chronic_mcduffin wrote:
DBZGTKOSDH wrote:I can't stand the "Prince of all Saiyans" title from the dub... :x It's "Saiyan Prince" for god's sake!
I don't like Sabat's portrayal at all, really. So, when I hear him say this, I don't like it. But it's never been the words themselves that I didn't like.
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Post by Kamiccolo9 » Mon Mar 09, 2015 11:57 pm

sintzu wrote:Maybe out of respect for his father.

It would be epic if he declares himself king after killing Freeza.
That would be totally out of character for Vegeta.
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Re: Prince (but not King) Vegeta

Post by sintzu » Mon Mar 09, 2015 11:59 pm

Kamiccolo9 wrote: That would be totally out of character for Vegeta.
How ?
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Re: Prince (but not King) Vegeta

Post by Kamiccolo9 » Tue Mar 10, 2015 12:01 am

sintzu wrote:
Kamiccolo9 wrote: That would be totally out of character for Vegeta.
How ?
Vegeta doesn't respect his father, and has accepted that his former Saiyan heritage is no longer the driving force behind his life. That was how Goku convinced him to fuse.
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