Whis moves at speed of presence? Goku reaches speed limit!?

[GokuRules987]

If you guys didnt got a chance to read the March 17 released article about the new revival of f chapter 2 I highly recommend you do.

Basically in article Whis tells Goku and Vegeta on how they are moving way too slow for them to hit him because they are planning their actions with their thoughts which then require time for the thought senses to reach thru your body. Just imagine in this statement we basically get to see that Goku and Vegeta biologically cannot compete against Whis because their thoughts cannot process their senses anymore faster. therefore no matter how much power up they get they wont be able to react and move any more faster just because their brains just cannot process the information at the speed enough to know whats going on.

Another thing that Whis states himself that "though it may be difficult, allowing every part part of your body to perform its own attack without thinking would be a better choice, in my humble opinion"

Which leans towards the idea of possibility having a complete new sense? because if Whis states that allowing your body to perform its own attack without thinking would actually mean that attack would be moving at a speed of presence which has no delay time, no time for someones to react with his eye senses at the speed enough to process the information and block the attack.
Whis even states that not even Lord Beerus who is a god was able to reach that perfection yet. so just imagine again.

My theory is that this type of ability is most likely has to do with your ki or some kind of supernatural energy where your body becomes bound less from your own mind or something like that.


Also later when Beerus wakes up and launches attack on Goku and Vegeta which misses and destroys 2 suns, Goku asks Whis is he could also create stars in which Whis replies No, but he can create Do-overs which means that he could go back in time and basically changing the reality by giving him a punch or something in order to stop him from doing so.

What do you guys think about this whole Whis character? And do you think hes the strongest character possibly in dbz verse ever created? and possibly even stronger than those fake super saiyan 5 transformation forms that can go kaoken times million and shit lol

[Diotor]

What do you guys think about this whole Whis character? And do you think hes the strongest character possibly in dbz verse ever created? and possibly even stronger than those fake super saiyan 5 transformation forms that can go kaoken times million and shit lol

Whis is without a doubt the strongest character in DBZ canon if he is stronger than Beerus. Where he'd fit in when it comes to DBGT canon? God knows, I don't know enough about it.

[Darkprince410]

Whis is without a doubt the strongest character in DBZ canon if he is stronger than Beerus.

Toriyama's established that Whis is around 1.5x the strength of Beerus, as he commented that, in terms of strength, Ssj God Goku would be a 6, Beerus a 10, and Whis a 15.

He's easily the strongest character in the Z franchise as of right now, though Beerus's statement regarding the strength of some of the beings in the other eleven universes leaves it open for there to be beings even stronger than Whis.

Where he'd fit in when it comes to DBGT canon? God knows, I don't know enough about it.

If you take what is said in the Dragon Ball GT: A Hero's Legacy comic (not manga, since it just adds speech bubbles to stills from the special) as evidence, Whis would be significantly stronger than Ssj4 Goku. There is a section in the comic laying out Goku's evolution throughout the franchise up to that point, and in the specific section regarding Vegetto, it mentions that Vegetto's strength might be even greater than that of Super Saiya-jin 4.

Whether it's meaning Ssj Vegetto (since that's the only Ssj form he exhibited) or a theoretical Ssj3 Vegetto (the highest form he would have access to at the time), that's putting Vegetto as being potentially above Ssj4 Goku. Given that Goku says in Battle of Gods that fusing with Vegeta wouldn't even work against Beerus (no indication as to which, so either Potara or dance is an option), and we know that Whis is 1.5x Beerus's strength, then that'd mean that Whis was certainly over 1.5x the strength of Ssj4 Goku at the very least.

Given that the section on the comic doesn't specify which form of Vegetto is being compared to Ssj4, and that we don't know just how big a gap would exist between Ssj3 Vegetto and Beerus, Whis could end up being several times more powerful than Ssj4 Goku.

[Low Tone G]

Whis is an interesting character and very mysterious. I think at this pooint no one can defeat him even if he can get stronger than him. Whis is not only stronger than anyone, but has some reality manipulating skills and a great martial arts knowledge. He is a true master of both mind and power. I imagine him like a perfected version of King Kai. I think he will teach Vegeta a technique to amplify his strength and abilities while Goku will be fighting Freeza, just like King Kai had taught Goku the Kaio-ken and such.

[Marco Polo]

In the DB world (multiverse?) there is always someone more powerful, so the funny thing is Whis is probably a total weakling compared to some distant antagonist we have yet to know about.

[BlazingFiddlesticks]

Sounds nuts. The idea of Whis as a more realized version of King Kai makes a lot of sense, because he is speaking in terms that would only make sense to an extremely long-lived being, in the same way that no mere mortal is likely to develop the Spirit Bomb. It feels like Toriyama is actually taking advantage of Whis's position.

In the DB world (multiverse?) there is always someone more powerful, so the funny thing is Whis is probably a total weakling compared to some distant antagonist we have yet to know about.

Reminding me of Cell right now!

[Lord Beerus]

Whis is an interesting character and very mysterious. I think at this pooint no one can defeat him even if he can get stronger than him. Whis is not only stronger than anyone, but has some reality manipulating skills and a great martial arts knowledge. He is a true master of both mind and power. I imagine him like a perfected version of King Kai. I think he will teach Vegeta a technique to amplify his strength and abilities while Goku will be fighting Freeza, just like King Kai had taught Goku the Kaio-ken and such.

That's a really great way of looking at it. Not to mention he can also be a goofy and absent minded himself at times. Whis is effectively King Kai 2.0. But much better in every regard.