My personal idea about Golden Freeza

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My personal idea about Golden Freeza

Post by RancorSnp » Thu Mar 26, 2015 5:50 am

So, I'll start with small introduction here, if you can't be bothered to read, just skip this paragraph. When I saw the second trailer for FnF where freeza was claiming to be able to show his next evolution, or something among these lines, I got worried a bit. As we know Toriyama is a forgetful person, that sometimes unintentionally retcons things he wrote before. And it was clearly stated in the original manga, that Freezas race, does NOT transform to gain power, but to SURPRESS it. Which means that Freezas Final form (Skinny one, buff Freeza is same as USSJ, and Roshi full power imo), was actually his initial form, how he looked since a kid and until his power turned out to be to strong to control properly.
Now this would mean that there can not be any next form, though just in case I have already found two in-universe explanations in case Toriayama was to introduce new form in spite that.

(If you skipped first paragraph, start reading now)

Finally the first trailer featuring Golden Freeza appeared, and personally... I like it. I think that Golden Freeza is NOT a form, or further form. Actually I think it's a transformation, BUT my idea is that this is a copied Super Sayan transformation. Remember that time, when Freeza said regrowing limbs is very useful technique to copy? Looks like as long as he has enough data on certain technique, he can copy it, no matter is it race specific.
Now I really do think this is a case here, a transformation, that does NOT change overall appearance, but colors.

What do you guys think about that, is it copied SSJ? Is it some power acquired form Dragon Balls, or maybe Freezas race CAN actually transform to increase battle power, just Freeza never saw a reason to develop such, nor to mention it in fight?

Also please not I intentionally didn't read FnF manga something, so I have no idea what's inside, and I do not really want to know right now, so I would be very grateful, if before all info coming from this source, you attached a warning, so I can skip this part of text. Thanks

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Re: My personal idea about Golden Freeza

Post by Pantalones » Thu Mar 26, 2015 1:44 pm

Well, there's already a bit of a precedent for Freeza's race being able to unlock stronger transformations through training--Cooler had one, after all, even though he's technically non-canon. It would just be a different type of transformation from the suppressed forms that Freeza showed before, and presumably wouldn't come as naturally to them (hence why you need to train to figure out how to use "get stronger" type forms, while using "hold back some of the absurd uncontrollable power I was born with" forms happen even without training ever.)

Just because Freeza's "4th" form was actually his original form doesn't mean stronger transformations shouldn't be possible--just that they'd have to work differently than his other forms, drawing out dormant power he can't reach in his 4th form (like a Super Saiyan form does) rather than suppressing power. I wonder if maybe his "Golden" form has replaced his previous bulked-up "100%," like how Cooler seemed to transform to his 5th form as his only method of powering up instead of bulking up in his "4th"/original form like Freeza did. It would make sense to leave the bulked-up "100%" state behind considering how much of a strain it was on him, especially now that he seems to have found a better way to draw out that power (and beyond?) without the bulking or strain.

I actually like the idea that this form is basically a Super Saiyan ripoff, though it seems like the boost it provides won't be anywhere near 50x. Of course, he's not a Saiyan so there's no guarantee it works the same way... maybe he drew out too much dormant power when training and the boost that would normally be the same as Super Saiyan's 50x shrank as a result of there not being a 50x-boost's worth of power left for it to draw out.

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Re: My personal idea about Golden Freeza

Post by fadeddreams5 » Thu Mar 26, 2015 4:19 pm

RancorSnp wrote: Remember that time, when Freeza said regrowing limbs is very useful technique to copy? Looks like as long as he has enough data on certain technique, he can copy it, no matter is it race specific. Now I really do think this is a case here, a transformation, that does NOT change overall appearance, but colors.
This never happened. Funi dub made that up.
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Re: My personal idea about Golden Freeza

Post by DBZGTKOSDH » Thu Mar 26, 2015 4:23 pm

RancorSnp wrote:Now I really do think this is a case here, a transformation, that does NOT change overall appearance, but colors.
Except that his appearance did change, not just his colors.
James Teal (Animerica 1996) wrote:When you think about it, there are a number of similarities between the Chinese-inspired Son Goku and that most American of superhero icons, Superman. Both are aliens sent to Earth shortly after birth to escape the destruction of their homeworlds; both possess super-strength, flight, super-speed, heightened senses and the ability to cast energy blasts. But the crucial difference between them lies not only in how they view the world, but in how the world views them.

Superman is, and always has been, a symbol for truth, justice, and upstanding moral fortitude–a role model and leader as much as a fighter. The more down-to-earth Goku has no illusions about being responsible for maintaining social order, or for setting some kind of moral example for the entire world. Goku is simply a martial artist who’s devoted his life toward perfecting his fighting skills and other abilities. Though never shy about risking his life to save either one person or the entire world, he just doesn’t believe that the balance of the world rests in any way on his shoulders, and he has no need to shape any part of it in his image. Goku is an idealist, and believes that there is some good in everyone, but he is unconcerned with the big picture of the world…unless it has to do with some kind of fight. Politics, society, law and order don’t have much bearing on his life, but he’s a man who knows right from wrong.

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Re: My personal idea about Golden Freeza

Post by Darkprince410 » Thu Mar 26, 2015 6:03 pm

RancorSnp wrote:Remember that time, when Freeza said regrowing limbs is very useful technique to copy? Looks like as long as he has enough data on certain technique, he can copy it, no matter is it race specific.
That was a dub line. In the manga as well as the original anime, when Freeza checks his scouter after Nail regenerated, Freeza commented that it changes nothing and that his battle power had dropped from doing so.
Freeza: “This is a surprise! So you can regenerate? But even though you’ve restored yourself, it changes nothing. Besides, it seems that you can’t recover your stamina. Your battle power has fallen from what it was before…”
Nothing about it in regards to copying techniques.

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