Inconsistent Super Saiyan 3

Terra Prime · Post by **Terra Prime** » Sat Mar 28, 2015 1:06 am

Remember when Goku took a moment to transform into Super Saiyan 3 for the first time? and then later he directly transforms in an instant against Buutenks? He couldn't have mastered the form in such a short time to transform that casually, if he himself stated that he wasn't used to it. What's up with that?

fadeddreams5 · Post by **fadeddreams5** » Sat Mar 28, 2015 1:13 am

I can't remember whether that SSJ3 transformation against Buutenks is not in the manga or if it's just the subsequent battle that's not. If the former, that's why. If the latter, it took long the first time because it was his first time transforming in the world of the living. After one transformation, he re-adapted.

Terra Prime · Post by **Terra Prime** » Sat Mar 28, 2015 1:31 am

fadeddreams5 wrote:I can't remember whether that SSJ3 transformation against Buutenks is not in the manga or if it's just the subsequent battle that's not. If the former, that's why. If the latter, it took long the first time because it was his first time transforming in the world of the living. After one transformation, he re-adapted.

I'm 100% sure he does transform in the manga. However, I don't have a scan in hand...

singsing · Post by **singsing** » Sat Mar 28, 2015 1:42 am

He was buying time.

MarCas92 · Post by **MarCas92** » Sat Mar 28, 2015 1:42 am

Terra Prime wrote:
fadeddreams5 wrote:I can't remember whether that SSJ3 transformation against Buutenks is not in the manga or if it's just the subsequent battle that's not. If the former, that's why. If the latter, it took long the first time because it was his first time transforming in the world of the living. After one transformation, he re-adapted.
I'm 100% sure he does transform in the manga. However, I don't have a scan in hand...

He does.

I always justified it like this: He knows how to do it, but he's never actually transformed before. After doing it the first time, being the genius he is, he can now do it almost instantly.

Kamiccolo9 · Post by **Kamiccolo9** » Sat Mar 28, 2015 1:44 am

singsing wrote:He was buying time.

This. The whole pointed during the Fat Buu fight was to drag it out as long as possible to give Trunks more time. That's why he did his whole show and tell routine with Buu in the first place.

Tyro · Post by **Tyro** » Sat Mar 28, 2015 1:45 am

Terra Prime wrote:I'm 100% sure he does transform in the manga. However, I don't have a scan in hand...

Spoiler:

That's the same page Goku transforms, so it would appear to be an instant transformation this time around. Perhaps, like when Goku used the Kaio-ken in front of Ginyu, he purposefully prolonged his transformation into Super Saiyan 3 to buy Trunks more time to reach West City. It could also be that Goku tried to transform as fast as possible when Evil Boo charged him given that this incarnation is much stronger Fat Boo.

ZazamPow · Post by **ZazamPow** » Sat Mar 28, 2015 2:50 am

We can't judge the passage of time in a story based on how we perceive it on-screen. Obviously an action has to be visible to an audience, if time passage in Dragon Ball were 100% accurate, than we wouldn't have had any more fight scenes after Krillin fought Jackie Chun, because that was the point where the characters became faster than the eye could see.

Goku's Super Saiyan 3 transformation in the anime was just an epic moment, realistically we can assume it didn't take 9 minutes. The manga gives us a better idea of time passage, where the transformation only took a couple pages.

Terra Prime · Post by **Terra Prime** » Sat Mar 28, 2015 3:05 am

ZazamPow wrote:We can't judge the passage of time in a story based on how we perceive it on-screen. Obviously an action has to be visible to an audience, if time passage in Dragon Ball were 100% accurate, than we wouldn't have had any more fight scenes after Krillin fought Jackie Chun, because that was the point where the characters became faster than the eye could see.

Goku's Super Saiyan 3 transformation in the anime was just an epic moment, realistically we can assume it didn't take 9 minutes. The manga gives us a better idea of time passage, where the transformation only took a couple pages.

It counts too. I meant to count only the manga to begin with. When Goku went Super Saiyan 3 for the first time, it took him two pages, while against Buutenks it took him a single panel.

Darkprince410 · Post by **Darkprince410** » Sat Mar 28, 2015 4:44 am

Terra Prime wrote:
ZazamPow wrote:We can't judge the passage of time in a story based on how we perceive it on-screen. Obviously an action has to be visible to an audience, if time passage in Dragon Ball were 100% accurate, than we wouldn't have had any more fight scenes after Krillin fought Jackie Chun, because that was the point where the characters became faster than the eye could see.

Goku's Super Saiyan 3 transformation in the anime was just an epic moment, realistically we can assume it didn't take 9 minutes. The manga gives us a better idea of time passage, where the transformation only took a couple pages.
It counts too. I meant to count only the manga to begin with. When Goku went Super Saiyan 3 for the first time, it took him two pages, while against Buutenks it took him a single panel.

Well, you also need to take into account that it was the first time that the form was being debuted, so Toriyama likely drew out the transformation to make it all the more exciting and stuff. It's like how Gohan, when he first transformed into a Super Saiya-jin 2, took 3-4 pages to transform, whereas the very next time we see him transform, it was within one panel.

AvatarReiko · Post by **AvatarReiko** » Sat Mar 28, 2015 6:19 am

Tyro wrote:
Terra Prime wrote:I'm 100% sure he does transform in the manga. However, I don't have a scan in hand...

Spoiler:

Where did you get that scan from???

ZazamPow · Post by **ZazamPow** » Sat Mar 28, 2015 6:21 am

AvatarReiko wrote:
Tyro wrote:
Terra Prime wrote:I'm 100% sure he does transform in the manga. However, I don't have a scan in hand...

Spoiler:

Where did you get that scan from???

The art looks really weird. Is that the official page? If so, I know what people mean when they said the artwork took a nose dive during Buu.

Lord Beerus · Post by **Lord Beerus** » Sat Mar 28, 2015 12:06 pm

ZazamPow wrote:
Tyro wrote:
Terra Prime wrote:
Spoiler:

Where did you get that scan from???
The art looks really weird. Is that the official page? If so, I know what people mean when they said the artwork took a nose dive during Buu.

That is an official full color page of the manga. The art in the Majin Boo was quite mediocre. But it was this stage that Toriyama got sick of fighting manga's and was going through burn out with Dragon Ball, and you can really tell form dip in quality of art in the manga at this stage.

Tyro · Post by **Tyro** » Sat Mar 28, 2015 12:28 pm

AvatarReiko wrote:Where did you get that scan from???

It's from the Full Color manga. Only Japan got the entirety of the manga in full color, both physically and digitally no less. VIZ only released the Saiyan arc in English. I made a few comparisons (1, 2, 3), and you should check out the Full Color preview thread.

Lord Beerus wrote:But it was this stage that Toriyama got sick of fighting manga's and was going through burn out with Dragon Ball, and you can really tell form dip in quality of art in the manga at this stage.

Sounds like another one of those "Toriyama wanted to end the series at X" rumors to me.

Lord Beerus · Post by **Lord Beerus** » Sat Mar 28, 2015 4:33 pm

Tyro wrote:
Lord Beerus wrote:But it was this stage that Toriyama got sick of fighting manga's and was going through burn out with Dragon Ball, and you can really tell form dip in quality of art in the manga at this stage.
Sounds like another one of those "Toriyama wanted to end the series at X" rumors to me.

No, he legitimately got sick and tired of fighting manga during the Majin Boo arc.

Tyro · Post by **Tyro** » Sat Mar 28, 2015 10:24 pm

Lord Beerus wrote:No, he legitimately got sick and tired of fighting manga during the Majin Boo arc.

That's interesting. Did Kanzenshuu cover this as well?

Lord Beerus · Post by **Lord Beerus** » Sat Mar 28, 2015 10:52 pm

Tyro wrote:
Lord Beerus wrote:No, he legitimately got sick and tired of fighting manga during the Majin Boo arc.
That's interesting. Did Kanzenshuu cover this as well?

I don't think they did. Although, I could be proven wrong.

Post by **TheDevilsCorpse** » Sat Mar 28, 2015 11:10 pm

Lord Beerus wrote:
Tyro wrote:
Lord Beerus wrote:No, he legitimately got sick and tired of fighting manga during the Majin Boo arc.
That's interesting. Did Kanzenshuu cover this as well?
I don't think they did. Although, I could be proven wrong.

They did. They almost always do.

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