majin buu,the original god of destruction?

[dragonballer]

Though in the manga Kaiōshin said that Bibidi made him, the truth is that one called “Buu” was not actually created by Bididi, but has existed since time immemorial. He cycled between rampages and long hibernation. During numerous iterations of this cycle, he absorbed the evil elements of mankind, becoming steadily more violent.

we know now that majin buu is ancient creature older than old kai.who created him? that question gave me an idea. he might be the original god of destruction.

the gods of creation,kaioshins,are borned from the divine tree.they are naturally gods and naturally strong.
however,the gods of destruction are people who were chosen? and they need a master to be strong? I wonder if there was a "natural" god of destruction at the beginning of the universe.

let's take a look of my hypothetical story of majin buu:

at the beginning of the universe.the god of creation were borned from the divine tree and the god of destruction were borned from the,well, divine mud .

He cycled between rampages and long hibernation.

the kaioshins were very intelligent to create planets, buu was a pure heart creature with massive destructive power.he destroys planets for a certain time and then the go into long hibernation.

During numerous iterations of this cycle, he absorbed the evil elements of mankind, becoming steadily more violent.

they gave the balance for the universe until something bad happened. buu was corrupted by the wickedness of the intelligent living beings. he became violent and destroyed more than what was necessary.

then he went into another hibernation. "the manager" of the universe(whis?) thinks it's a better idea to not use the "natural" god of destruction anymore. he chose and trained someone to play that role.the universe was very well with natural gods of creation and chosen gods of destruction,the manager decide the "old model" is not necessary anymore,so he won't wake it up. buu was going to sleep forever,but...

Bibidi merely knew the means of calling Buu from out of his long slumber.

an evil wizard somehow managed to summon buu,and buu stated was he was born for: destroy.
whis decided to not stop buu. since buu was killing the living beings because it's their own wickedness that made buu kill them. it was karma.

well,that is the story.it is, of course,just a hypothesis.

do you think buu is very weak to be a god of destruction? well, beerus was weaker than buu millions years ago. and both of them have to go into a hibernation from time to time.

[dbgtFO]

I hope Toriyama retconned Majin Buu's origins for a reason and didn't just do it for the lulz, so this could be a plausible reason as to why.
Also Whis' position in the God hierarchy could be something even greater than what his attendant to the God of Destruction title gives off.
Maybe he is the unknown ruler of universe 7, lol.

[Marco Polo]

I hope Toriyama retconned Majin Buu's origins for a reason and didn't just do it for the lulz, so this could be a plausible reason as to why.

Agreed, and the theory is interesting. But Buu and Beerus/Whis don't have any meaningful discussion in Battle of Gods, and Buu is outright absent from Resurrection F, so this is strange.

[dragonballer]

I hope Toriyama retconned Majin Buu's origins for a reason and didn't just do it for the lulz, so this could be a plausible reason as to why.
Also Whis' position in the God hierarchy could be something even greater than what his attendant to the God of Destruction title gives off.
Maybe he is the unknown ruler of universe 7, lol.

i don't know how to describe whis's position,so i called him "the universe manager".
he is very important to the balance of the universe,the only reason beerus didn't blow up kaioshinkai may be because whis said "no,you can't."

[Darkprince410]

The only major thing that puts doubt into this theory is that they left Buu. If he were such an unpredictable and overly violent "model" of a Hakaishin as the theory suggests, then it doesn't seem likely they'd be content with just letting him remain in hibernation. Especially since he's woken from his previous hibernations before, thus no reason to assume he wouldn't wake up from another.

There's also the fact that Beerus seemingly shows no idea who Buu is, which doesn't seem likely if he's Buu's replacement. Even if Buu were in a hibernating state, he'd easily have access to the Oracle Fish to be able to show him about Buu.

[dragonballer]

The only major thing that puts doubt into this theory is that they left Buu. If he were such an unpredictable and overly violent "model" of a Hakaishin as the theory suggests, then it doesn't seem likely they'd be content with just letting him remain in hibernation. Especially since he's woken from his previous hibernations before, thus no reason to assume he wouldn't wake up from another.

There's also the fact that Beerus seemingly shows no idea who Buu is, which doesn't seem likely if he's Buu's replacement. Even if Buu were in a hibernating state, he'd easily have access to the Oracle Fish to be able to show him about Buu.

buu woke up before because someone woke him up(you need 3 ssj2 energy),that someone might be whis.after buu got corrupted,whis decided to not wake him up anymore.then bibidi summoned him.
well,whis didn't stop buu killing the kaioshins,then i don't think he care a lot about buu .after all,he can kill buu with one blast whenever he wants .

buu is the name bibidi gave him,beerus could have asked about the first hakaishin and oracle showed him,but since he never saw buu,he can't know that was majin buu.also,I don't think beerus have any interest about his predecessors .we don't konw if beerus is first "artificial" hakaishin,maybe there were two or three hakaishins before him.

[Darkprince410]

well,whis didn't stop buu killing the kaioshins,then i don't think he care a lot about buu .after all,he can kill buu with one blast whenever he wants .

If he were in some capacity connected to the Hakaishin, it doesn't seem likely that Buu would get away with doing that to the Kaioushin and Whis not intervene. Given the balance that they tentatively are supposed to keep, I don't think a Hakaishin could get away with nearly wiping out the entirety of the Kaioushin like that.

buu is the name bibidi gave him,beerus could have asked about the first hakaishin and oracle showed him,but since he never saw buu,he can't know that was majin buu.also,I don't think beerus have any interest about his predecessors .we don't konw if beerus is first "artificial" hakaishin,maybe there were two or three hakaishins before him.

Ummm, it was never stated or implied that Bibi-di gave Buu the name Buu. All that's ever been established is that Bibi-di woke him early from a hibernation period and seemingly took him under his control for a bit (undoubtedly threatening to return him to hibernation if he didn't comply). Nothing ever said that he gave Buu the name Buu.

[dragonballer]

well,whis didn't stop buu killing the kaioshins,then i don't think he care a lot about buu .after all,he can kill buu with one blast whenever he wants .

If he were in some capacity connected to the Hakaishin, it doesn't seem likely that Buu would get away with doing that to the Kaioushin and Whis not intervene. Given the balance that they tentatively are supposed to keep, I don't think a Hakaishin could get away with nearly wiping out the entirety of the Kaioushin like that.

buu is the name bibidi gave him,beerus could have asked about the first hakaishin and oracle showed him,but since he never saw buu,he can't know that was majin buu.also,I don't think beerus have any interest about his predecessors .we don't konw if beerus is first "artificial" hakaishin,maybe there were two or three hakaishins before him.

Ummm, it was never stated or implied that Bibi-di gave Buu the name Buu. All that's ever been established is that Bibi-di woke him early from a hibernation period and seemingly took him under his control for a bit (undoubtedly threatening to return him to hibernation if he didn't comply). Nothing ever said that he gave Buu the name Buu.

if whis really wants balance,he wouldn't let buu,hakaishin or not,kill the kaioshins . or he didn't know buu was killing them,he has his own tasks and kaioshinkai maybe a place that is difficult to get to,bibidi teleported buu there.

ok,we don't know who gave him his name .but kaioshins are called kaioshins.when buu was hakaishin,they call him hakaishin even if his true name is buu.

[Darkprince410]

ok,we don't know who gave him his name .but kaioshins are called kaioshins.when buu was hakaishin,they call him hakaishin even if his true name is buu.

However, look at Beerus. Even though he's a Hakaishin, he's referred to far more often by his name than his title. With the Kaiou and Kaioushin, there's no indication that they even have names apart from their title, once they've drawn lots for it.

[dragonballer]

ok,we don't know who gave him his name .but kaioshins are called kaioshins.when buu was hakaishin,they call him hakaishin even if his true name is buu.

However, look at Beerus. Even though he's a Hakaishin, he's referred to far more often by his name than his title. With the Kaiou and Kaioushin, there's no indication that they even have names apart from their title, once they've drawn lots for it.

exactly. kaioh and kaioshin were gods when they borned,but beerus may not be a god and he became one,so he has a name beside his title.

[Berserker1921]

Possibly their were buus in all universes. Beings of destuction. However like toriyama said they easily become corrupted by the aliens the absorb and such. Possibly Kid buu was the original God however beerus achieved great power possibly from his training with whis. So they became far above buu. Also buu hibernating for millions of years at a time. Would cause issues with too many worlds being created while most wouldn't die. So beerus prob never met buu. And was appointed the God of desstruction to act as the balance. While buu was asleep however he became 1,000,000 times stronger then him. That even if buu were to challenge him beerus would easily kill him.

[dragonballer]

Possibly their were buus in all universes. Beings of destuction. However like toriyama said they easily become corrupted by the aliens the absorb and such. Possibly Kid buu was the original God however beerus achieved great power possibly from his training with whis. So they became far above buu. Also buu hibernating for millions of years at a time. Would cause issues with too many worlds being created while most wouldn't die. So beerus prob never met buu. And was appointed the God of desstruction to act as the balance. While buu was asleep however he became 1,000,000 times stronger then him. That even if buu were to challenge him beerus would easily kill him.

it wouldn't be unbalenced.it makes sense buu sleeping so long,creation takes far away more time than destruction.creation may take years while buu can destroy a planet if you give him 0,2 seconds .even if thousands of planets are created during buu's hibernation,it wouldn't take him more than some days to destroy all of them.

[SpiritBombTriumphant]

I hope Toriyama retconned Majin Buu's origins for a reason and didn't just do it for the lulz, so this could be a plausible reason as to why.

Agreed, and the theory is interesting. But Buu and Beerus/Whis don't have any meaningful discussion in Battle of Gods, and Buu is outright absent from Resurrection F, so this is strange.

I take anything Toriyama has said recently to be done for the upcoming movie. For instance, he went and mentioned how scouters came in different shapes/sizes and look what we got--Sorbet has a custom scouter that covers both of his eyes. There was one or two more things that I noticed being advertised for the movie that Toriyama mentioned, but I forget what they are. But my point is that I think any retcon he makes right now is due to the movie. And if I recall, somewhere on Kanzenshuu it was said that King Cold knows of Majin Buu and warned Frieza at one point to "never mess with him." I don't have the source but if I recall correctly there was a thread on it somewhere around here.

It could've easily been done so that other villains knew of Buu and it doesn't create any plotholes or anything.