How strong is General Rildo?

[Chou_Gohan]

I've seen people say he's around as strong as Mr Boo or Kid Boo. Some say hes even stronger than Boohan

How strong do you place him? Which Boo was Goku talking about when he said Rild was stronger than Boo?

[Hugo Boss]

Rildo is said to have ki greater than Majin Boo, but I don't remember in which forms they were comparable. I go with Metal Rildo stronger than Fat Boo and Base Rildo stronger than Base Gohan.

[Super Vegetto]

I've seen people say he's around as strong as Mr Boo or Kid Boo. Some say hes even stronger than Boohan

How strong do you place him? Which Boo was Goku talking about when he said Rild was stronger than Boo?

Stronger than Majin Boo overall,,,so compering him to manga would be Rildo > Boohan,,,and to anime Rildo > Kid Boo,,,,than again i could be wrong and Goku could point out to any Majin Boo,,maybe even Fat one...

[SSJ2FutureGohan]

Stronger than Majin Boo overall,,,so compering him to manga would be Rildo > Boohan,,,and to anime Rildo > Kid Boo,,,,than again i could be wrong and Goku could point out to any Majin Boo,,maybe even Fat one...

GT follows manga logic, in terms of power scaling at least, read more here.

I've seen people say he's around as strong as Mr Boo or Kid Boo. Some say hes even stronger than Boohan

How strong do you place him? Which Boo was Goku talking about when he said Rild was stronger than Boo?

Gohan-Buu is supported by the most evidence. I can do a write up on it later.

[Kaboom]

He's as strong as an unspecified form of Majin Boo. I think it makes the most sense to be Mr. Boo, seeing as how he's, y'know, the one form of Majin Boo who still exists, and who both Trunks and Pan would be most (or at all, in Pan's case) familiar with for comparison.

There's the thing with Rild giving Gohan a hard time later, but 1) that's the astoundingly absurd Super 17 arc, and 2) who knows what's going on worth Gohan's power in GT... If I recall, he didn't even go Super Saiyan against Rild or anything.

[SSJ2FutureGohan]

To find Rild's strength in Dragon Ball GT, I'd like to start at the End of Z. First, I would like to propose this chain for the Buu saga of Z:

Super Vegetto > Gohan-Buu > Gotenks-Buu > Ultimate Gohan > Super Saiyan 3 Gotenks > Super Buu > Base Gotenks (post-RoSaT) > Super Saiyan Gotenks (pre-RoSaT) >/~ Super Saiyan 3 Goku >= Pure Buu > Fat Buu > Pure Evil Buu > Good Buu

Now I'll start at the End of Z.


1. Base Goku (EoZ) ~ Uub > Good Buu

I believe that enraged Uub and Base Goku at the End of Z are stronger than Good Buu.

Goku: “…But someone besides us and Boo might win.”
Satan: “Hahhahhah, now really! There’s no way that could happen, right?”

Goku notes that someone besides Buu might win the Tenkaichi Budokai.

Context: as Goku and Oob are about to fight
Piccolo: "This will be the most notable fight this time around..."

Piccolo notes that Goku vs. Uub will be the most notable fight.

Context: Oob is surprised by Goku’s Bukujutsu
Goku: “Oh, I see. You still don’t even know how to fly, huh? …I guess there ain’t no helping it. You haven’t had no teacher, and you probably never even considered things like that. Sorry I bad-mouthed you before. Please forgive me. I just wanted to know your true ability. You’re exactly the person I thought you were. As amazin’ as I expected. But you don’t know how to use your power. This is the first time you’ve fought like this, right? I've got it! From now on I'll live with you at your house and teach you!”

Goku says that Uub was as amazing as he expected. Goku before the fight said he was expecting to fight someone at least stronger than Good Buu, so Uub > Good Buu seems like the most logical approach, and Goku was on par with Uub in his base form.


2. Base Goku (BoGT) ~ Uub (BoGT) > Base Goku (EoZ) ~ Uub (EoZ) > Good Buu

This is just a logical deduction. Goku and Uub trained extensively for five years. But where Goku and Uub stand compared to Z characters, or the other characters at BoGT is ambiguous and guess work.


3. Super Saiyan Goku (BoGT) > Ledgic >~ Base Goku (BoGT) ~ Uub (BoGT) > Base Goku (EoZ) ~ Uub (EoZ) > Good Buu

Goku, Trunks, and Pan depart into space. The first planet they land on is Imegga. Here is Goku's first battle, with Don Kia's bodyguard, Ledgic. The two engage in combat, with Ledgic having just a slight advantage (in my eyes at least.)

Context: After recieving multiple hits from Redjic
Goku: “You're strong! I'm starting to get excited!”

Ledgic then tells Goku to use his true power.

Context: After Goku compliments Redjic's strength
Redjic: “Your abilities must be greater than this, am I right, Saiyan?”

Goku transforms into a Super Saiyan, then quickly overwhelms Ledgic.


4. Luud (Level 3) > Super Saiyan Goku (BoGT) > Luud (Level 2) > Ledgic >~ Base Goku (BoGT) ~ Uub (BoGT) > Base Goku (EoZ) ~ Uub (EoZ) > Good Buu

I'll try to sum up the fight as briefly as I can.

Context: After Goku and Trunks dodge Lood's first punch
Goku: “He's got awesome power, huh?”

Luud is formed and Goku immediately comments on his power. Goku starts by taunting Luud. Goku and Trunks spend a little time avoiding Luud's hits and running away from him. Goku shoots a Kamehame-ha at Luud.

Context: After Lood takes no damage from Goku's Kamehameha
Goku: “Awesome! He didn't even flinch!”

Goku's Kamehame-ha fails to even phase Luud.

So Luud at Level 2 is already above Goku's base by a good amount, the only reason he wasn't able to easily defeat Goku and Trunks is because he didn't know how to utilize his power.

Next, Luud powers up further by absorbing Pan.

Context: After Lood absorbs Pan
Goku: “This is some intense power!”
Lood: “Lood.”
Trunks: “U-unreal!”
Doctor Mu: “This is magnificent power!”

Luud at Level 3 was far beyond Goku at this point. Goku couldn't do anything to damage him. Goku and Pan are able to defeat Luud by attacking his weak spot together at the same time.


5. Neji > Rivet = Veise > Nutt ~ Luud (Level 3) > Super Saiyan Goku (BoGT) > Luud (Level 2) > Ledgic >~ Base Goku (BoGT) ~ Uub (BoGT) > Base Goku (EoZ) ~ Uub (EoZ) > Good Buu

Long story short, Goku and co. arrive on Planet M2, and encounter the Sigma Force. Goku upon sensing their Ki compliment their power, and note he hasn't met anybody as awesome as them in a long time.

Time: Roughly 18m
Context: Goku first encounters the Mega Cannon Sigma
Goku: “Watch yourselves, Pan, Trunks! These guys ain't pushovers! I can sense an incredible Ki! It's a strange Ki, but its power is awesome!”

Time: Roughly 19m
Context: After Goku witnesses the full power of the Mega Cannon Sigma members
Goku: “You guys are awesome, huh? It's been a long time since I met anybody as awesome as you!”

It's a stretch, but I take this to mean Sigma (Individuals) >/~ Luud (Level 3). We know Goku's comment isn't about Buu, since Rild is the first peson Goku comments to be above Buu. There's also a sizable time gap between Luud and M2 for the statement to work this way.

April 24th: Goku and co. defeat Zunama, but the Liu Xing Qiu is stolen by the Para-Para Brothers. Goku and co. defeat the Para-Para Brothers on Planet Bihe, but Pan and Gill are accidentally sent to Planet Lood. Goku and Trunks follow, and together with Pan they defeat the Machine Mutant Lood.

August 21-22nd: Goku and co. visit Planet M2. Trunks is intentionally turned to metal by General Rild, and shipped to the planet where Doctor Mu's laboratory is located. He is freed by Gill, and together with Goku and Pan they discover Baby, the ultimate Machine Mutant Mu had been raising. They seemingly destroy it, but Baby escapes.

To add on to the chain, Dr. Mu saw Goku and Trunks fight Luud as Super Saiyans, and still ordered Rild to send Sigma Force to capture the GT Gang. Also, Giru gives his data on Goku, Pan, and Trunks to the Sigma Force, and they're still confident in taking Goku on, despite seeing his previous Super Saiyan power in Giru's data.


6. Base Goku (M2) >~ Rild > unspecified Buu > Super Mega Cannon Sigma > Neji > Rivet = Veise > Nutt ~ Luud (Level 3) > Super Saiyan Goku (BoGT) > Luud (Level 2) > Ledgic >~ Base Goku (BoGT) ~ Uub (BoGT) > Base Goku (EoZ) ~ Uub (EoZ) > Good Buu

The Sigma Squad then fuse together into their ultimate form, the Super Mega Cannon Sigma. Goku compliments their power, and has a pretty one-sided battle with them.

Time: Roughly 11m50s
Context: After Goku is pushed back by the Super Mega Cannon Sigma
Goku: “I felt that. He's got awesome power!”

After defeating them, Goku senses Rild's Ki, and comments on it.

Time: Roughly 20m
Context: Goku senses Rild's ki after defeating the Mega Cannon Sigma
Goku: “W-what is that Ki? It's huge! It's an incredibly huge Ki heading towards the spaceship. This one doesn't even compare to the guys we've had up to now.”

Goku comments on how Rild doesn't even compare to all of the guys he's faced up until now. So if you don't believe the Sigma individuals surpassed Luud at Level 3, this comment would at least show Rild surpasses that power.

Goku races back to the ship and regroups with Trunks and Pan, Trunks and Goku comment on Rild's Ki.

Time: Roughly 20m40s
Context: Trunks senses Rild's ki
Trunks: “Something's coming! It's an impossibly huge Ki!”

Time: Roughly 3m
Context: Trunks senses Rild's ki approaching
Trunks: “W-what an incredible Ki! What is coming!?”

Time: Roughly 3m20s
Context: Goku regroups with Trunks at their spaceship.
Goku: “Trunks. There's an incredible Ki heading this way.”

Rild arrives at the GT gang's ship and Goku comments his Ki is even greater than Buu's.

Time: Roughly 5m
Context: Rild arrives at the Saiyans' spaceship; Goku feels his ki again
Goku: “The universe certainly is a big place, huh? To think that I should come across someone with a Ki as large as yours... It's even greater than Boo's.”

Goku engages in battle Rild, and shows he has a slight advantage against him in base form. So we end on this chain:

Base Goku (M2) >~ Base Rild > unspecified Buu > Super Mega Cannon Sigma > Neji > Rivet = Veise > Nutt ~ Luud (Level 3) > Super Saiyan Goku (BoGT) > Luud (Level 2) > Ledgic >~ Base Goku (BoGT) ~ Uub (BoGT) > Base Goku (EoZ) ~ Uub (EoZ) > Good Buu

Before I make a make my conclusion, I also want to include this:

Son Gohan
He transformed when fighting with Goten after Goten had been taken over by Baby!! It seems that even in times of peace, he hasn’t neglected his training. The differences in Gohan’s facial expressions before and after transforming are the most intense out of any warrior!!

According to the GT Perfect Files, Gohan didn't neglect his training during the 5 year gap between Z and GT. We know Gohan was already above Super Buu during Z, so logically he'd only be even stronger by GT. Later in the Super No.17 arc, when old villains escape from Hell to terrorize Earth, Gohan saves Pan from Rild and continues to fight him. Rild gives Gohan a good whoopin', but Gohan's strong enough not to get one-shotted.

There are three logical options.

Good Buu: The Buu that's lived on Earth for 15 years with the Z gang.
Pure Buu: The previous major enemy, and the one Goku had an all out battle with.
Gohan-Buu: There's not much logic behind commenting on a middle form of Buu (Super/Buff/Gotenks-Buu). It's like Goku saying someone's Ki is greater than Freeza's and talking about the 50% Freeza that tooled him around, or like Goku comparing Dabra to 2nd form Cell.

I think it's safe to say Good Buu and Pure Buu should be out of the equation here.

In conclusion, I think all of this would place Base Rild above Gohan-Buu.

If I recall, he didn't even go Super Saiyan against Rild or anything.

If I recall correctly, Rild used his metal beam on Gohan's arm. When Rild used the attack on Goku, it knocked him out of Super Saiyan (despite not doing any damage), so it seems like it has some kind of effect that nullifies Super Saiyan.
















2. Uub (Baby Saga) > Super Saiyan 3 Goku (BoGT) > Uub (BoGT) ~ Base Goku (BoGT)

Time: around 3m25s
Context: After Oob learns of Goku's apparent death
Oob: "I had been training even harder for my upcoming engagement with Goku-san... You're going to pay for this!"

This isn't exactly proof, just how I see it. It'd make sense that'd he want to match Goku's top power if he's training even harder. He also wouldn't be confident in avenging Goku if he was weaker than what he thought was Goku's top power (assuming he had thought Goku didn't get stronger, or how much stronger Goku got, and hadn't sensed Goku from when he returned to Earth.)


3. Super Saiyan 3 Goku (Baby saga) > / < (?) Uub (Baby Saga) > Super Saiyan 3 Goku (BoGT) > Uub (BoGT) ~ Base Goku (BoGT)

Time: 5m40s
Context: Gohan, Goten, and Trunks are trying to help Baby against Oob
Baby: "What are you doing?"
Gohan: "We're trying to help you, Baby-sama..."
Baby: "Do you think... [ ] ...that I might lose?"
Gohan: "Baby-sama..."
[ ]
Baby: "I was putting Oob's power to the test...and I had been enjoying myself!"

This could easily be explained by Baby's own comment that he was only testing Uub, followed by the next statement which proves he at least put in more effort to fight him.

Time: around 10m10s
Context: After Baby and Oob fight for a little
Baby: "Now I see... You aren't all that bad. But unfortunately for you, you won't be able to beat me at this level! You can no longer think of me as the same person I've been up to now!"

Time: 10m55s
Context: Baby and Oob are stuck in a beam struggle
Baby: "Is that the sort of battle power you learned from Goku? It doesn't feel like you even have the power of a fly!"

Time: around 11m25s
Context: After Baby defeats Oob in the beam struggle
Baby: "Is that all you've got? I was a fool to expect anything out of you."

Time: around 12m45s
Context: After Baby knocks Pan out
Mr. Satan: "Boo-san, not even Oob can win now."

Time: around 15m
Context: Baby is preparing his Revenge Death Ball
Baby: "This is smaller than the one I used when I defeated Goku, but it will be enough for the likes of you! [ ] Once I finish you off, it means that there will be no one else in the entire universe left to carry out Goku's will!"

The last one seems to imply Uub is weaker than Goku, but the statements prior imply Uub is more of a match than Goku. So Baby saga Uub could be as low as below Base Goku to above Super Saiyan 3 Goku.

[Methuselah]

At the barest minimum, Base Rildo is in the Super Buu bracket due to being on par with Baby Saga Base Goku, who blasted his way out of a pocket dimension.

[Hellspawn28]

Ignoring the bs power logic in GT, Rildo died in his base form from a combined Kamehameha attack from Goku, Pan and Trunks which should put his base form around Fat Buu and Kid Buu level. His metallic form would be pretty close to Buuhan and Vegito, not quite in my opinion.

[voltlunok]

I'd say that Base Rildo is in the Fat Buu territory, while Hyper Metal Rildo (The red one.) Is in Kid Buu Territory, Once he goes Full Metal Rildo, I'd say he's punching in Buuhan's weight class.

[supercat]

When Frieza and Cell were mentioned in the past for the purpose of showing where a new fighter stands, it seemed likely that their full power was what was being used as a comparison. However, considering the fact that there was more than one Majin Buu, Goku may have not been necessarily referring to the most powerful Buu at the time of comparison. The fact that Mr. Buu was pretty much a separate being from Kid Buu and Super Buu, could mean that it could very well have been Mr. Buu that was being compared to Rildo.

However, taking power scaling and to an extent feats into consideration, Rildo seems to be stronger than Super Buu.

[Darkprince410]

This is just a logical deduction. Son and Uub trained extensively for five years. But where Goku and Uub stand compared to Z characters, or the other characters at BoGT is ambiguous and guess work.

Goku indicated that his training was intended to help Uub learn how to tap into that full strength that he had before while Pure Buu, but by his own admission, the fight they had five years later wasn't a "graduation" fight, indicating that he hadn't fully tapped into that Pure Buu power strength yet. Given this, that'd put both base Goku and Uub as below Pure Buu's strength.

[SSJ2FutureGohan]

This is just a logical deduction. Son and Uub trained extensively for five years. But where Goku and Uub stand compared to Z characters, or the other characters at BoGT is ambiguous and guess work.

Goku indicated that his training was intended to help Uub learn how to tap into that full strength that he had before while Pure Buu, but by his own admission, the fight they had five years later wasn't a "graduation" fight, indicating that he hadn't fully tapped into that Pure Buu power strength yet. Given this, that'd put both base Goku and Uub as below Pure Buu's strength.

He says it's not a graduation ceremony or anything as extravagant as that, and that he just wanted to have an all out fight with Uub. Goku waited 15 years to have an all out fight with what he was expecting to be Pure Buu and now he's settling for less? Yeah, I don't buy that at all.

I also don't see anything saying Pure Buu level is the limit for Uub's strenght.

[supercat]

If EoZ follows up on the events of BoG and Fukkatsu No F, it would make sense that EoZ Uub is already at Kid Buu level at the very least. Assuming First Form Frieza (after training) in Fukkatsu No F is SSJ 3 / Kid Buu tier, at the very least base Goku has to be far above this by the EoZ. Additionally, Goku in his base form was able to take on Final Form Frieza (after training), so if this is the same Goku that fights Uub, then Uub would have to be extremely powerful. As crazy as this sounds, Uub may even be at a level that can rival Final Form Frieza (not Golden Frieza) judging by how is fight with Goku at the tournament went (though Goku could have been holding back).

However, if we exclude the events of BoG and Fukkatsu No F, then there is a chance that EoZ Uub is nowhere near Kid Buu or even remotely close to that.

As for General Rildo, if we exclude the events of BoG and Fukkatsu No F, I can see his base form being around Mr. Buu tier and his final form being at or around Buuhan level.

[SSJ2FutureGohan]

Why wouldn't Uub be anywhere near Pure Buu when that's exactly what Goku says he is?

[supercat]

Why wouldn't Uub be anywhere near Pure Buu when that's exactly what Goku says he is?

When exactly did Goku say Uub was Kid Buu level?

I feel EoZ Uub's strength would depend on whether the events of BoG or Fukkatsu No F took place or not. Again, assuming EoZ is after BoG and Fukkatsu No F, then it seems pretty reasonable that Uub at the tournament is around Final Form Frieza level (not Golden Frieza) from Fukkatsu No F, just seeing how well he did against Goku.

However, if Goku never had the same oppoutnities as he did in BoG and Fukkatsu No F, I doubt his base form would have reached Kid Buu tier. Meaning if Uub was Kid Buu level, he would have trashed Base Goku pretty hard at the tournament or Goku would have needed some form of SSJ to avoid taking a major beating.

[SSJ2FutureGohan]

Since this is GT, I wasn't taking into account BoG and FnF. From a strictly manga standpoint, Goku flat out says Uub > Good Buu, and fights on par with him in base. So Base Goku > Good Buu.

[Darkprince410]

Goku flat out says Uub > Good Buu, and fights on par with him in base.

Goku says that someone other than them (the Z Senshi) or Buu "might" win, which, while speaking favorably about Uub, doesn't automatically mean that he thinks that Uub is stronger than Mr. Buu. Additionally, nothing is saying that Goku was going all out against Uub during their Budoukai match. He was trying to goad Uub into getting angry so that Uub would reveal his hidden strength, but even when he got Uub angry, there's no real indicator that Goku was giving it his all.

[SSJ2FutureGohan]

*before fighting Uub
Goku: "Someone besides us or Buu might win!"
*after fighting Uub
Goku: "Yep, you're as good as I expected!"

I don't see how that really favors Good Buu being stronger, not only that, but there's I don't see why Goku would be holding back. He clearly looked like he was putting in effort, and was phased by Uub's attacks.

[Darkprince410]

The fact that he says that someone other than them "might" win means that he's not 100% certain on just how powerful Uub is going to be, and simply believes that he'll be in the range of Goku, Mr. Buu, and the others. His later affirmation that Uub is "as good as expected" still could simply mean that Uub fit right in that range of power he expected he believed he would.

Additionally, he could be fazed and taken back by the power of Uub's attacks and himself still not be giving it his all. Otherwise one would argue that Cell was giving it his all when he was fighting Goku, since Goku was able to significantly hurt him and wear him out. If Goku is suppressing his strength (which is reasonable to assume he would if he's testing Uub's power), then an attack that wouldn't touch him at his full strength is still going to potentially injure him while suppressed.

[SSJ2FutureGohan]

Someone besides us or Buu "might" win, as in this guy might be stronger/as strong as all of us or he won't be. Based on his performance, he clearly matched Goku and his expectations.

We know Cell was suppressed against Goku because he pretty much says it and then later powers up. There's no reason to say Goku was suppressed as it's never mentioned.