Did Goku mean potara or fusion dance when he said fusion...

[Chou_Gohan]

Did Goku mean potara or fusion dance when he said fusion couldn't beat Beerus?

[SSJ2FutureGohan]

We've had a thread similar to this.

Anywho, the dialogue is vague. Goku could've meant fusion dance since he and Vegeta agreed in the Buu arc they wouldn't use the potara again.

Or Goku could've been referencing the potara as well. There's no concrete proof really.

Beers could be stronger than SS3 Gogeta and be weaker than Super Vegetto and it wouldn't necessarily contradict anything. (Although most likely go against the intent of the statement.)

[Pantalones]

Presumably, he meant both. The way he phrases it is a general term that could refer to either method of fusion. Plus, Beerus was referred to as being "the strongest in the history of Z," which would mean he's stronger than both versions of Goku/Vegeta fusion.

[supercat]

It seemed pretty clear to me that Beerus was far above any form of Vegetto and Gogeta. Even if either of them went SSJ3, I find it extremely unlikely that they would even be able to faze the destructive feline.

With that being said, weren't all of the Potara earrings destroyed?

Needless to say, they probably could have wished for a new pair, but the method of fusion doesn't seem as significant as the portrayal of the overall concept itself being obsolete.

[Tectorman]

With that being said, weren't all of the Potara earrings destroyed?

SSJ2FutureGohan's linked thread also deals with this question.

TLDR: Kibito, the Supreme Kai, and the Elder Kai started out with a set of earrings each (6 total). Goku and Vegeta destroy four of them (two inside Buuhan, two more right before Kid Buu showed up to the World of the Kais). This leaves two.

The linked thread includes speculation that the Potara fusion process destroys all belongings on a person and recreates the fused being with new belongings. I.e., Kibito (wearing one earring and holding the other, and wearing his clothes) fused with the Supreme Kai (also wearing one earring and holding the other, and wearing his clothes), and the fused being Kibitokai came into existence with an entirely new set of clothes and a new set of earrings, the previous four (whether worn or not) having been consumed in the process. I personally find this explanation to be really reaching, but in fairness, it is a possibility.

[singsing]

Or it could be as simple as them keeping the old earrings...

[SSJ2FutureGohan]

Couldn't they just materialize earring as well?

[Tectorman]

Or it could be as simple as them keeping the old earrings...

Ah, my bad. I was so focused on trying to give an impartial account of that aspect of that thread that I didn't emphasize enough that that's my perspective, as well. Yes, you can push what is and isn't known about that scenario and come up with the "destroying four/recreating two" explanation that whoever-it-was-that-I-was-arguing-with came up with.

But the Omar's Hatchet explanation is indeed "they just held on to the last two earrings".

Spoiler:

That represents my one and only contribution to making that a meme.

Couldn't they just materialize earring as well?

I'm not so sure. Yes, Kibito materializes a set of earrings when he gives Gohan his Kai outfit, but I seem to remember from some source that the Elder Kai referred to the earrings as an ancient treasure of the Kais. Which gives me the impression that while Kibito (and now, Kibitokai) could materialize a new set of Potara earrings anytime he wanted, it's only after they've aged that they would work as well.

Not that I can say where I'm getting that from.

[miguelnuva1]

To me I say Potara because if Ssj3 Gogeta couldn't beat Beerus that is a large gap to assume ssj3 vegito wouldn't win as well.

[ChahikoDBZ]

I have to agree with Pantalones. When he referred to fusion he probably just meant fusion in general. But I think if they had actually decided to fuse the Kaioshin might have called them to the planet to give them the Potara earrings.

[Blackstripe]

Imagine if they could bring Tarble to Earth afterwards and make Vegito an SSG...

[Rocketman]

The problem is that Goku is thinking of Buu Arc Vegetto, not Vegetto as he would be formed from a Goku and Vegeta who are both stronger than Mystic Gohan.

[miguelnuva1]

The problem is that Goku is thinking of Buu Arc Vegetto, not Vegetto as he would be formed from a Goku and Vegeta who are both stronger than Mystic Gohan.

If Goku can guess Gotenks power in the Buu arc he can guess Gogeta and Vegito's power in BOG

[supercat]

I think the whole purpose behind the statement was to signify how a new character far outshines everyone that's made an appearance prior to BoG. I'm also guessing that Goku had a pretty good sense on the power that he would gain from becoming Vegetto / Gogeta, but he simply knew it would be inadequate against the unfathomable wrath of Beerus.

[singsing]

The problem is that Goku is thinking of Buu Arc Vegetto, not Vegetto as he would be formed from a Goku and Vegeta who are both stronger than Mystic Gohan.

Does it count as getting stronger than Gohan when he regressed to like 10 year old strength? It's also a problem if he's thinking of now stronger than Mystic Gohan Goku and Vegeta when the Gohan is weaker than before.