False. Daizenshuu 10 names the form Super Saiyan Full Power for both Goku & Gohan. Meaning that it's not just "this is SS Goku, at full power!", it's the name of the new form that Goku & Gohan achieved, or rather, the upgraded version of the original form.Kaboom wrote:Daizenshuu #2 used the term for Goku in Volume 34 simply because that's when he finally revealed his full power to fight Cell, rather than being suppressed/relaxed or showing off just about half for Karin before that.
James Teal (Animerica 1996) wrote:When you think about it, there are a number of similarities between the Chinese-inspired Son Goku and that most American of superhero icons, Superman. Both are aliens sent to Earth shortly after birth to escape the destruction of their homeworlds; both possess super-strength, flight, super-speed, heightened senses and the ability to cast energy blasts. But the crucial difference between them lies not only in how they view the world, but in how the world views them.
Superman is, and always has been, a symbol for truth, justice, and upstanding moral fortitude–a role model and leader as much as a fighter. The more down-to-earth Goku has no illusions about being responsible for maintaining social order, or for setting some kind of moral example for the entire world. Goku is simply a martial artist who’s devoted his life toward perfecting his fighting skills and other abilities. Though never shy about risking his life to save either one person or the entire world, he just doesn’t believe that the balance of the world rests in any way on his shoulders, and he has no need to shape any part of it in his image. Goku is an idealist, and believes that there is some good in everyone, but he is unconcerned with the big picture of the world…unless it has to do with some kind of fight. Politics, society, law and order don’t have much bearing on his life, but he’s a man who knows right from wrong.
Can you provde the quote and context please?DBZGTKOSDH wrote:False. Daizenshuu 10 names the form Super Saiyan Full Power for both Goku & Gohan. Meaning that it's not just "this is SS Goku, at full power!", it's the name of the new form that Goku & Gohan achieved, or rather, the upgraded version of the original form.Kaboom wrote:Daizenshuu #2 used the term for Goku in Volume 34 simply because that's when he finally revealed his full power to fight Cell, rather than being suppressed/relaxed or showing off just about half for Karin before that.
Sure.dbgtFO wrote:Can you provde the quote and context please?DBZGTKOSDH wrote:False. Daizenshuu 10 names the form Super Saiyan Full Power for both Goku & Gohan. Meaning that it's not just "this is SS Goku, at full power!", it's the name of the new form that Goku & Gohan achieved, or rather, the upgraded version of the original form.Kaboom wrote:Daizenshuu #2 used the term for Goku in Volume 34 simply because that's when he finally revealed his full power to fight Cell, rather than being suppressed/relaxed or showing off just about half for Karin before that.
Translation by Herms.Supplemental Daizenshuu - TV Animation Part 3 wrote:
Anime Version: Super Saiya-jin Genealogy
The strongest warrior in the universe, the Super Saiya-jin. Here we’ll profile the genealogy of the Super Saiya-jin, including characters who only appeared in the anime, and variations that appeared over the course of Super Saiya-jin evolution!!
Super Saiya-jin
Super Saiya-jin’s biggest distinguishing characteristics are the golden hair that stands up straight, and the green pupils. Also, because they are in a continuous lightly agitated state, their personality also becomes wild. This type is the first grade of Super Saiya-jin, and can be called the base for all Super Saiya-jins.
Broli-type
Broli appeared in the movies. A-type is distinguished by him not having gold hair while he’s a Super Saiya-jin. B-type is a powered up Super Saiya-jin state. He’s called the legendary Super Saiya-jin, since he loves destruction and slaughter, like the Super Saiya-jin of Saiya-jin legend. Both types are from when he fought with Goku on New Planet Vegeta. C-type is his form from when he battles Gohan and the others on Earth; he later transformed into B-type. It’s a Super Saiya-jin that’s evolved differently.
Variations
Grades 2-3 are powered up versions of the Grade 1, which Goku, Vegeta, and Trunks have the ability to transform into. Full Power is a type where they are able to unconsciously exist in the Super Saiya-jin state, and even the wildness of their personality vanishes. Only Goku and Gohan can transform into this.
Super Saiya-jin 2
Super Saiya-jin 2’s distinguishing characteristics are the upright hair and the intense sparks. Even the docile boy Gohan become so violent that he enjoyed fighting. Gohan, Goku, and Babidi-manipulated Vegeta transform into this type.
Gohan-type
This type is also called Ultimate Gohan. While his appearance hasn’t change very much from his normal state, his power surpasses even Super Saiya-jin 2. He’s a Saiya-jin who has achieved a super transformation different from Super Saiya-jin, which puts a large strain on one’s body.
Super Saiya-jin 3
As the Super Saiya-jin that can appropriately be called the strongest, the transformation of their outward appearance is the most intense of all: their eyebrows disappear and their hair becomes long. Apart from Goku, Gotenks can also transform into this!! Aside from the Kamehameha and his other techniques from his normal form, in the movies Goku displays a special attack called the Dragon Fist.
[Freeza] So Super Saiya-jin had these sorts of types!!
James Teal (Animerica 1996) wrote:When you think about it, there are a number of similarities between the Chinese-inspired Son Goku and that most American of superhero icons, Superman. Both are aliens sent to Earth shortly after birth to escape the destruction of their homeworlds; both possess super-strength, flight, super-speed, heightened senses and the ability to cast energy blasts. But the crucial difference between them lies not only in how they view the world, but in how the world views them.
Superman is, and always has been, a symbol for truth, justice, and upstanding moral fortitude–a role model and leader as much as a fighter. The more down-to-earth Goku has no illusions about being responsible for maintaining social order, or for setting some kind of moral example for the entire world. Goku is simply a martial artist who’s devoted his life toward perfecting his fighting skills and other abilities. Though never shy about risking his life to save either one person or the entire world, he just doesn’t believe that the balance of the world rests in any way on his shoulders, and he has no need to shape any part of it in his image. Goku is an idealist, and believes that there is some good in everyone, but he is unconcerned with the big picture of the world…unless it has to do with some kind of fight. Politics, society, law and order don’t have much bearing on his life, but he’s a man who knows right from wrong.
Well, nothing says that a regular SSJ can't suppress their Ki. So I don't think we should use that as a basis for whether a Saiyan has mastered SSJ or not. Not that I'm saying that couldn't be something that is exclusive to a Saiyan who has mastered SSj.Pantalones wrote:Well, if Trunks is able to suppress his ki and both of them are capable of being Super Saiyan without having the "permanent angry eyes," then they'd have to at least be pretty close to having "mastered" Super Saiyan.
Kind of puzzled as to how they would end up "mastering" the state at their age, without even realizing it, though. They certainly haven't gone around in permanent SSj state for hours/days like Goku and Gohan did. I guess they must have basically been born with the Super Saiyan form already "pre-mastered" and just needed to reach the transformation in the first place before they could use it.
Really? I don't think that scan really points to them having achieved FPSSJ. I'd say the first time Goten showed the transformation to Gohan and the first time Trunks showed the transformation to Vegeta point more to them having FPSSJ. Because they have relaxed expressions. In this picture it just shows them having a regular SSJ expression.Super Vegetto wrote:Before Cell Games SSJ was never realy used for fun so they all had serious face|eyes when using it,,,it's a form created for battle and in real life it would probably affect them like adrealine affect us and if it hits you for example in fight it's sometimes hard to control...
Well this scan actualy proves that they managed to master the form and achive FP of SSJ
I wouldn't rely on their aura's seeing as they have changed and varied constantly over the story. Vegeta also has this aura when he powers up to fire his Big Bang Attack against #20.SSJ2FutureGohan wrote:@Hitiro
Their aura. Compare it to a non Full-Power Super Saiyan who's powering up / just transformed.
The Full-Power Super Saiyan aura is spikier / more rapid, similar to Super Saiyan Grade 2's aura. Compare Goten and Trunks' aura to the image I posted of Goku at the Cell Games in the OP.
I honestly can't recall anybody else. But I remember him having this aura exclusively in this part. I would have to go and look through to see whether there are any others. But wouldn't the powering up as regular SSJ transitioning into SSJG2 not count as this too? Vegeta had this aura for a while before he actually transformed into a SSJG2. And Cell lacked this aura when he powered up into a bulky form in front of Trunks to show him he could do it too. I also think that Vegeta's first SSJ transformation was a bit reminiscent of the later power-ups for the SSJ's.SSJ2FutureGohan wrote:Well, besides when Vegeta's doing the Big Bang Attack, an amplified attack, no regular Super Saiyans have that aura, if I recall correctly.
Well that's up to you, but like I said. The aura's have been a bit inconsistent throughout the story. Personally I'd rather rely on something we know as a fact. And that is that their faces and personalities are more natural as a FPSSJ. This was a major point brought up by Vegeta and Piccolo when Goku and Gohan came out of the RoSaT.SSJ2FutureGohan wrote:I only believe it's exclusive to SSG2/3 and FPSS, personally.
