With an exception of Battle of Gods and Ressurection F, it is a fact that none of the DBZ movies are canon (the TV specials have a different story about that). And all of them have contradictions to show why.
But here's a question I wanted to ask. HOW would you make the movies canon? And for bonuses, what would you do to make them a lasting arc? I think all of them could fit one way or another (especially the Cooler, Broly, and Hidreaugen ones).
How would you make the DBZ movies canon?
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http://www.kanzenshuu.com/forum/viewtop ... =8&t=29695
This is a number of pages back, but here is a discussion where folks have already speculated on just that. Enjoy.
This is a number of pages back, but here is a discussion where folks have already speculated on just that. Enjoy.
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Lord Tirek: How many, little princess?
Twilight: Over NINE THOUSAND!!!
Lord Tirek: How many, little princess?
Twilight: Over NINE THOUSAND!!!
Re: How would you make the DBZ movies canon?
How can Battle of the Gods possibly be canon if it has Gregory from the anime filler in it?TGCF1203 wrote:With an exception of Battle of Gods and Ressurection F, it is a fact that none of the DBZ movies are canon (the TV specials have a different story about that).
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They're not anymore thanks to Super.TGCF1203 wrote:With an exception of Battle of Gods and Ressurection F, it is a fact that none of the DBZ movies are canon.
In terms of the rest of them I think Toriyama rewriting them or reintroducing their characters into Super is the only way to do it cause as they are now they don't fit due to having certain things that go against Toriyama's plot.
July 9th 2018 will be remembered as the day Broly became canon.
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If Hirudegarn arrived sometime between the Buu arc and Super, then Movie 13 could probably squeeze into the main timeline without much disturbance.
The only other one I could think of is Movie 9. Since nothing in the movie particularly conflicted with the main continuity, I see nothing wrong with the Galaxy Soldiers showing up shortly after Cell's defeat.
The only other one I could think of is Movie 9. Since nothing in the movie particularly conflicted with the main continuity, I see nothing wrong with the Galaxy Soldiers showing up shortly after Cell's defeat.
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He isn't in Battle of Gods is he?ZodaEX wrote:How can Battle of the Gods possibly be canon if it has Gregory from the anime filler in it?TGCF1203 wrote:With an exception of Battle of Gods and Ressurection F, it is a fact that none of the DBZ movies are canon (the TV specials have a different story about that).
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I've always believed that the movies take place in branching timelines from the the one in which the manga takes place
Let's just all get along and beat each other up
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the 2 tv specials, the bojack and wrath of the dragon movie fit no problems as far as i know. the other 11 are not so nice fitting. but i guess the 3 broly and 2 cooler could fit. but some of them dont fit at all like the first 4 movies or the janemba or c13. except they happened in the new timeline tapion created or in any other timeline they make no sense. also garlic jr. must have taken place in the main timeline, otherwise the filler arc wouldnt make sense. and i guess if you are trying to make the movies work you also want to make the filler work. moving on to the specials, i am not so sure on yo son goku and his friends return and a plan to eradicate the saiyans, have only seen them once. but i guess they are fine too. except i am not so sure about the time placement of a plan to eradicate the saiyans. as for episode of bardock, if there is any explanation why he traveled back in time instead of being killed its fine i guess. otherwise makes no sense. BoG and FnF should fit anyway.
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Re: How would you make the DBZ movies canon?
First of all, none of the movies are officially non-canon--this is a misconception. It was never specifically stated one way or another (same with GT). They take place in alternate universes is all, sort of like Future Trunks' future, where there are discrepancies that extend beyond altering the past (i.e. weaker androids, lack of 16, Gohan without hidden powers, etc.). The way I'd make them all fit into the continuity is by playing around with that concept.
So, for starters, there's that Cooler movie. It takes place in a reality where Frieza was killed by Goku's spirit bomb. That, or Goku quickly destroyed him after becoming a SSJ. In the latter reality, Krillin might have been critically wounded, but not killed. Goku also wouldn't have trained in his SSJ state in Yardrot, explaining why he's unable to tap into it at will. In this same reality, androids 19 and 20 are killed by Vegeta, so 17 and 18 are never released. It's here where the sequel takes place.
The Dr. Wheelo, Turles, and Lord Slug movies take place in a reality where Goku arrived earlier to the battlefield against Nappa and Vegeta, and they were defeated without killing any of the Z warriors.
The Janemba movie takes place in a reality where Gotenks or Gohan managed to kill Super Buu.
The Hirudegarn movie can occur in a reality very similar to the main one.
In the first Broly movie's time period, Vegeta or Trunks might have killed Semi-Perfect Cell before he reached perfection, explaining why Goku and Gohan aren't perpetually in their SSJ states in the movie. The 2nd movie takes place before the 25th budokai. In this reality, Goku and co might have managed to kill Babidi and men before Buu hatched, so the 3rd movie is set a day after, when Goku goes back to the Other World. That, or Goku never even visited in this timeline.
Super 13 is set in the past the Future Trunks that was killed by Imperfect Cell was supposed to go to. In one of the timelines, where Cell doesn't kill him, he travels to the past, deactivates the androids, and befriends the cast.
The Garlic Jr. movie is the hardest to play around with since it has its own filler saga. I guess it's set in a time period where Goku does not die in the Raditz fight, and Gohan is not trained by Piccolo. Then again, the movie implies this is Goku's first time teaming up with Piccolo, so maybe Raditz never visited the Earth at all in this reality. As for it's filler saga... ummm... scrap it. lol.
So, for starters, there's that Cooler movie. It takes place in a reality where Frieza was killed by Goku's spirit bomb. That, or Goku quickly destroyed him after becoming a SSJ. In the latter reality, Krillin might have been critically wounded, but not killed. Goku also wouldn't have trained in his SSJ state in Yardrot, explaining why he's unable to tap into it at will. In this same reality, androids 19 and 20 are killed by Vegeta, so 17 and 18 are never released. It's here where the sequel takes place.
The Dr. Wheelo, Turles, and Lord Slug movies take place in a reality where Goku arrived earlier to the battlefield against Nappa and Vegeta, and they were defeated without killing any of the Z warriors.
The Janemba movie takes place in a reality where Gotenks or Gohan managed to kill Super Buu.
The Hirudegarn movie can occur in a reality very similar to the main one.
In the first Broly movie's time period, Vegeta or Trunks might have killed Semi-Perfect Cell before he reached perfection, explaining why Goku and Gohan aren't perpetually in their SSJ states in the movie. The 2nd movie takes place before the 25th budokai. In this reality, Goku and co might have managed to kill Babidi and men before Buu hatched, so the 3rd movie is set a day after, when Goku goes back to the Other World. That, or Goku never even visited in this timeline.
Super 13 is set in the past the Future Trunks that was killed by Imperfect Cell was supposed to go to. In one of the timelines, where Cell doesn't kill him, he travels to the past, deactivates the androids, and befriends the cast.
The Garlic Jr. movie is the hardest to play around with since it has its own filler saga. I guess it's set in a time period where Goku does not die in the Raditz fight, and Gohan is not trained by Piccolo. Then again, the movie implies this is Goku's first time teaming up with Piccolo, so maybe Raditz never visited the Earth at all in this reality. As for it's filler saga... ummm... scrap it. lol.
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I have finally cracked the code! Thank you Futurama!
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Imaginary_time
If "Past" and "Present" are on a horizontal timeline, There are vertical timelines that run perpendicular to said horizontal timeline! Imaginary doesn't mean 'fake' Imaginary in this context is real, like Imaginary Numbers
Blue Lines is the Manga Timeline, plus BoG and RoF. Because the Android Saga spans a period of years, followed by a lot of movies that happen with a small time frame, it's in a green box with the training period, the fight with the Androids and the Cell Games time all in blue lines
When a movie is placed on the same line vertical line as the manga series, it only means the movie happened shortly before, during, or shortly after the manga saga.
Three of the DBZ movies are sequels (Broly 3 is not counted) so within the imaginary timeline, they have their own continued timeline. RoC does look like it is in the same line as Super Android 13, that was unintentional, it's a sequel to the Cooler timeline.
Some facts and opinions I wanted to bring up:
1) Lord Slug is the sequel to Tree of Might, happening a year later, while both films were aired when the Namek saga were still being told in the manga. But with Lord Slug happening a year later, it only made sense to put that movie in the Android Saga Timeline.
2) Return of Cooler (RoC) first aired March of 1992. The Manga was dealing with Kamicollo vs Cell round 1 at the time. Not sure what was going on in the writing stages, who influenced what to put Dende on Earth at the time, but with Gohan being in his child body at that time in the manga, that would place the film as a sequel to Cooler's Revenge before the Hyperbolic Time Chamber and Cell Games.
3) We all like to believe that Bio Broly does not exist. So I placed it in its own imaginary timeline with quotes, not even considering it a sequel to Broly II.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Imaginary_time
If "Past" and "Present" are on a horizontal timeline, There are vertical timelines that run perpendicular to said horizontal timeline! Imaginary doesn't mean 'fake' Imaginary in this context is real, like Imaginary Numbers
Blue Lines is the Manga Timeline, plus BoG and RoF. Because the Android Saga spans a period of years, followed by a lot of movies that happen with a small time frame, it's in a green box with the training period, the fight with the Androids and the Cell Games time all in blue lines
When a movie is placed on the same line vertical line as the manga series, it only means the movie happened shortly before, during, or shortly after the manga saga.
Three of the DBZ movies are sequels (Broly 3 is not counted) so within the imaginary timeline, they have their own continued timeline. RoC does look like it is in the same line as Super Android 13, that was unintentional, it's a sequel to the Cooler timeline.
Some facts and opinions I wanted to bring up:
1) Lord Slug is the sequel to Tree of Might, happening a year later, while both films were aired when the Namek saga were still being told in the manga. But with Lord Slug happening a year later, it only made sense to put that movie in the Android Saga Timeline.
2) Return of Cooler (RoC) first aired March of 1992. The Manga was dealing with Kamicollo vs Cell round 1 at the time. Not sure what was going on in the writing stages, who influenced what to put Dende on Earth at the time, but with Gohan being in his child body at that time in the manga, that would place the film as a sequel to Cooler's Revenge before the Hyperbolic Time Chamber and Cell Games.
3) We all like to believe that Bio Broly does not exist. So I placed it in its own imaginary timeline with quotes, not even considering it a sequel to Broly II.