Kaioshin's power over Frieza

[supercat]

We all know that Frieza is one-shot material for Kaioshin. With that said, how would the following string of events unfold?

Final Form Frieza 100% (before training) vs East Kaioshin

Right before Kaioshin is about to step in and one-shot Frieza, he confidently allows the tyrant to hit him with all of his best attacks. Can the boastful overseer survive the lethal onslaught of attacks?

*All attacks used by Frieza in the manga and the anime are applicable. No special barriers on Kaioshin's end. Planet is able to endure the repercussions of all attacks.

-Kaioshin is allowed to dodge one attack, which attack must he dodge to make it out alive?

-Would survival be possible if all attacks were directly tanked head-on?

-Could Kaioshin casually withstand all of Frieza's punches and kicks the same way Frieza did with Nail's attacks?

I'm inclined to believe that I'll get mixed opinions on this whole matter, so for those of you who feel that East Kaioshin just isn't cut out for this sort of stuff, feel free to use South Kaioshin or even Dai Kaioshin.

As for my answers:
-Kienzan
-Yes
-Yes

[Pantalones]

Goku wasn't overwhelmingly stronger than Freeza and he could take pretty much all of his arsenal head-on without sustaining much more than minor injuries as a result (that Death Beam right to the face... only budged his head a little and made his lip bleed, if I recall correctly), minus the purple Kienzans of course which are definitely dangerous to someone on Namek-era SSj Goku's level if they work the same way as Krillin's Kienzans (being able to cut someone who's drastically stronger than you and all.)

With the East Kaioshin the gap should be even bigger than that; he's got to be as strong as SSj Future Trunks was on his first appearance bare minimum to pull off the "kill Freeza in one shot" thing, and he's most likely a good bit stronger than that, since Trunks only killed a Freeza that was at least slightly suppressed, not bulked-up 100% Freeza. If you buy into him being stronger than Piccolo, then yeah, nothing Freeza can do is going to scratch him except maybe the Kienzan-like move, and even that might not cut it with that massive of a gap in power. If he's somewhere between Trunks and Piccolo, then the Kienzan-like move is most likely going to be way too dangerous to take head-on but everything else should still bounce off him harmlessly, or maybe push him back a little or scuff up his clothes at worst. Regular punches and kicks are not going to even register as attacks.

South Kaioshin, on the other hand, takes Freeza's Kienzan-like move straight to the chest and then shatters it with a karate-chop before it manages to even cut through the outer layer of his skin, leaving him with nothing but damaged clothes and a seriously freaked-out Freeza to kick the crap out of seconds later. I do not buy into the theory that Kienzan and similar moves cut literally anything regardless of power differences... once you're strong enough to give Kid Buu a fight, plain ol' 120,000,000 Freeza is not going to be able to harm you unless you're a complete idiot and just sit there and watch as a Kienzan slowly buzzsaws its way into your body rather than actually doing anything about it. And that's assuming it would still be able to cut at all (just... really slowly) rather than being absolutely harmless like in the filler of Krillin vs. Perfect Cell.

[ZombieVito]

Did South Kaioshin really gave Kid Buu a fight? We don't know the specifics in the manga but if we count the filler fight Kid Buu was just toying around the whole match.

After all he one shotted the Kaioshin.

[Pantalones]

Well, we do know he was the strongest of the Kaioshin, and Buu did absorb him rather than killing him... so it's generally assumed that he was at least a whole lot closer to Buu in power than the others and put up more of a fight as a result, even if he wasn't nearly strong enough to have any hope of beating him. Kid Buu doesn't seem to be able to absorb intelligently like Super Buu, so the common train of thought here as far as I've seen is that he absorbs as a defense mechanism when something actually manages to threaten him. Maybe South Kaioshin just had some technique that was surprisingly effective against Buu despite the power difference (if Tenshinhan and Krillin can have moves like that, why not the strongest fighter among the creation gods?) and Buu reflexively absorbed him after getting hit by that a couple times, or maybe he was physically strong enough to make Buu struggle a bit -- it's hard to say for sure since, as mentioned, we don't see how things went.

There's also the fact that the bulky Buu form Super Buu took on halfway through the transformation back to Kid Buu (which resembles the one Kid Buu took on after absorbing South Kaioshin) is even stronger than Super Buu somehow despite Kid Buu being weaker than regular Super Buu. Buu/Kaioshin interactions are always weird (Dai Kaioshin actually made him weaker, in addition to drastically changing his personality... and then there's the whole "Potara stop working inside Buu" detail)... but Buu getting that much stronger from that absorption implies that the South Kaioshin was pretty damn strong.

[supercat]

East Kaioshin is at least a decent amount above Piccolo (Buu arc), so I definitely see him tanking all of these attacks without even showing a subtle hint of damage. Frieza's Kienzan would likely just fizzle out upon making direct contact with Kaioshin. The tyrant punching the overseer straight in the face would very much be akin to hitting a brick wall. The Death Balls would be treated like beach balls, or even worse.. like balloons. As for the Death Beam, wait, was that a laser pointer? The actual battle itself would be a very close reenactment of Nail vs Frieza, and the smirking stare down would bear a resemblance to Kaioshin vs Piccolo.

[Super Saiyan Turlast x4]

Here's how it'd go. The scenario: Freeza has conquered more than 500 planets and Kaioshin now believes he needs to rid the universe of this issue. As Freeza arrives at a newer, more refined planet with his men, Kaioshin and Kibito arrive as well.

Kibito: "He's the one. I can sense lots of terrible power from him. What an evil Chi."
Kaioshin: "That's far enough. I can't allow you to continue. You've done enough damage throughout the galaxy already."

Freeza: "Hohoho. Is this how you greet your visitors? You don't look like a capable warrior to me, nor does your red faced friend. In the end, you're trash to the lord of the universe. Too bad you foolishly decided to get in my way. What's the Battle Power of these scum?"

Henchman: "This is strange. Neither has any Battle Power at all. The scouter is saying there's no data available. Almost as if they're ghosts!"

Freeza: "No data? That's a first. I've come across bug-like creatures the size of a small animal that had a Battle Power. You have none. How pathetic! Get rid of this trash so we can continue on."

Henchman: "Yes, sir. You heard that, mohawk boy! I gotta waste ya! Any last words?"
Kaioshin: "Ha. I expected this amount of foolishness."
Henchman: "Those are your last words?! Dumbass. Sayonara!"

*The henchman fires an energy beam from his weapon, only for it to stop right near Kaioshin and dissipates. A huge smile appears on his face*

Henchman: "What's this? He stopped my energy blast!! How?!!"
Kaioshin: "You and the others are merely pawns to Freeza. I shall let you leave, but you better take that opportunity while you can."
Henchman: "I don't care about your tricks! No one will ever stop Lord Freeza! I'll see to that myself!!"

*Henchman fires more energy beams at Kaioshin and they're instantly deflected back to him, leaving nothing of the blue man*

Kaioshin: "That was my last warning."
Freeza: "Perhaps there's more to you than I thought."
Henchman #2: Everyone, attack with all of your might. We'll outmatch him physically and not rely on energy attacks!!"
All Henchmen: "GO!!!!!!!!!!!!"

*In the blink of an eye, all of the henchmen were blown to pieces*

Freeza: "Impressive."

Kaioshin: "Are you going to surrender?"

Freeza: "To the likes of you? Never in a million years. My power is unrivaled in the whole universe. What you see now is nothing compared to what I'm capable of! Nothing."

Kaioshin: "It seems you still don't know when you're up against someone far above you. Not just in terms of power."

Freeza: "What do you mean?"

Kaioshin: "I'm known as the East Kaioshin. We Kaioshin's watch over the entire universe. That's all you need to know. Do you still insist on challenging me?"

Freeza: "Kaioshin....sounds familiar. I've heard papa elaborate on the order of the universe and how it works. I always thought it was myth, but it seems there's some truth to it after all. I never thought I would come across an actual God. That's probably why we couldn't detect any Battle Power from you."

Kibito: "The amount of fear and death you've left in your trail is disgusting. We often have more important things to worry about, but you, Freeza, are an issue that's better dealt with than not at all."

Freeza: "I guess the time has come...for me to show you my true power. You may be a God, but I'm Freeza--the most powerful life form in the entire universe. This is exciting. When I succeed in killing you, will that officially make Freeza a God, too?"

Kaioshin: "Looks like we'll just have to see, right? Just know this....the Kaioshin's are chosen to watch over the universe for a reason. If we were lacking in power, we wouldn't be right for the task. A fact you will soon understand"

Freeza: "Whatever. This ends here and now!"

*As Freeza gets out of his flying vehicle, he begins to power-up. His Chi alone could seemingly shatter the planet*

Kibito: "This is...really a terrifying power! I had no idea Freeza was this powerful!"
Kaioshin: "Oh, it's an incredible power! Let's just wait till he's finished."

*Freeza transformed into his final form, then powered-up again and reached 100% of his power*

Kibito: "Freeza's power-up is finished! This is incredible."
Freeza: "Didn't expect me to have this much power, eh? I figured it made more sense to use all of power rather than take any chances. What do you think, Kaioshin?"
Kaioshin: "You appear to really be the Lord of the universe....to lower beings, that is."
Freeza: "WHAT?!! That's a lie. Did my immense power make you stupid as well? I wouldn't expect a God to have the same brain capacity as a Saiyan."
Kaioshin: "I told you we Kaioshin's aren't to be underestimated. Not my fault you didn't listen to that piece of advice."
Freeza: "SHUT UP!!!!!!!!"

*Freeza launches Chi-blasts at Kaioshin and leaves no damage*

Freeza: "Impossible!! For me to have...the ultimate power and do no damage...is...."
Kaioshin: "Is that it?"
Freeza: "No. This, however, is! Blow to spacedust along with this miserable planet!!"

*Freeza creates a huge Death Ball in seconds and hurls it at Kaioshin*

Kibito: "My Lord!!"
Kaioshin: "Relax, Kibito. This is nothing."
Freeza: "He can't dodge it. Victory is...mine?"

*Somehow Freeza's Death Ball vanished into nothing, leaving the evil tyrant in shocked*

Freeza: "I used all of my power into that...and he made it disappear!"
Kaioshin: "Now it's my turn!"

*Kaioshin began to power-up*

Kibito: "He's going to finish it."
Freeza: "What is he...doing?!"
Kaioshin: "No amount of resistance can stop me. You belong in hell. That's where you shall be.....FREEZA!!!!"
Freeza: "Gaoohhhhoomhhh.................."

*Kaioshin's eyes flashed and Freeza was obliterated into nothing*

Kaioshin: "That was too easy."
Kibito: "Are you okay? Do you need me to restore your energy?"
Kaioshin: "You worry too much, Kibito. I'm fine. Let's go home."
Kibito: "You got it."

*Kibito teleports Kaioshin back to the Kaioshin realm*

Kaioshin: "We may have rid the universe of Freeza, but there's still far more powerful ones like him out there. Let's just hope none of them get a hold of Majin Boo's sealed ball."

*The end*

[supercat]

Here's how it'd go. The scenario: Freeza has conquered more than 500 planets and Kaioshin now believes he needs to rid the universe of this issue. As Freeza arrives at a newer, more refined planet with his men, Kaioshin and Kibito arrive as well.

<Snip>

Not bad at all. That was rather impressive! Did you write that?

[Polyphase Avatron]

The only problem I see is that Freeza has met at least one god before (Beerus).

[supercat]

The only problem I see is that Freeza has met at least one god before (Beerus).

I always wondered if the tyrant was even aware of Kaioshin's existence. I mean, if Cold had enough sense to advise his son to keep away from powerful figures like Beerus and Buu, I would assume that he would also include other prominent beings that could also potentially stop their little conquest. My guess is that with the defeat of the other Kaioshin, East Kaioshin kept himself on the low, and primarily devoted his time into ensuring Buu or any of the other Majins would never surface again.

[MasterVampire]

Freeza wanst really doing anything that terrible.

Sure he was conquering planets but whats the difference between someone conquering planets throughout the galaxy and someone just conquering countries on a single planet?

He wasnt like Buu where he was just going around and blowing up every planet he came across.
If Freeza began doing that then surely that would get the Kaioshin's attention.

[supercat]

Freeza wanst really doing anything that terrible.

Sure he was conquering planets but whats the difference between someone conquering planets throughout the galaxy and someone just conquering countries on a single planet?

He wasnt like Buu where he was just going around and blowing up every planet he came across.
If Freeza began doing that then surely that would get the Kaioshin's attention.

Well the level of hostility Frieza unleashed on his victims could be perceived from a pretty subjective standpoint. We don't know if he started off by slaying thousands if not millions before actually claiming a planet under his name. Sure many were spared, but that was for the sole purpose of manipulating them as disposable tools to further his conquest. Between the large number of planets he's conquered on an ongoing basis, and his name known throughout the galaxies, it would appear that a decent portion of the universe had the misfortune of living under his tyrannical rule. Kaioshin's awareness of Frieza and where he stands in comparison to him also implies that the act of taking the evil ruler down may have at one point been considered. If all of the Kaioshin were still alive, and with the absence of Buu, one of them could have very well stepped in and trashed the ruthless tyrant. After all, their primary objective is to maintain balance.

One tyrant ruling multiple planets and owning a decent portion of the universe isn't exactly a small matter, but rather a potential catastrophe that could disrupt the natural cycle of life and death. This is especially true if we factor in the possibility of millions dying in the process.

While the impact may not be quite as large as Buu blowing up planet after planet, notable changes would definitely occur as Frieza had no real intention of stopping his conquest. Without an intervening force, the atrocities would have likely continued and progressively worsened over time.

[Super Saiyan Turlast x4]

Here's how it'd go. The scenario: Freeza has conquered more than 500 planets and Kaioshin now believes he needs to rid the universe of this issue. As Freeza arrives at a newer, more refined planet with his men, Kaioshin and Kibito arrive as well.

<Snip>

Not bad at all. That was rather impressive! Did you write that?

Thank you. Glad you enjoyed it. Yes, I began to write that right as soon as I saw your topic. I always wondered how a potential showdown between the two would go and this topic gave me the urge to think of a scenario on a whim.

Though I wonder if conquering over 500 planets would actually be enough to get Kaioshin's attention.

[supercat]

Here's how it'd go. The scenario: Freeza has conquered more than 500 planets and Kaioshin now believes he needs to rid the universe of this issue. As Freeza arrives at a newer, more refined planet with his men, Kaioshin and Kibito arrive as well.

<Snip>

Not bad at all. That was rather impressive! Did you write that?

Thank you. Glad you enjoyed it. Yes, I began to write that right as soon as I saw your topic. I always wondered how a potential showdown between the two would go and this topic gave me the urge to think of a scenario on a whim.

Though I wonder if conquering over 500 planets would actually be enough to get Kaioshin's attention.

I'm pretty sure Kaioshin would definitely divert some of his attention towards the tyrant should something like that ever occur. While his main focus was putting an end to Buu and his Majin buddies, I'm sure 500 planets would warrant enough attention for the overseer to take a brief break from Majin hunting.

The way I see it, the amount of planets Frieza forcefully conquers will only perpetually rise in number. Such an increase would also very likely occur in conjunction with the increasing number of casualties. Whether a villain goes around instantly blowing up planets, or progressively eliminates opposition while in the process of conquering planets, the end result would eventually yield a similar outcome.

[Polyphase Avatron]

If Goku hadn't stopped Freeza I think what would eventually happen would be that Babidi would take control of him once he returned to that part of the universe, then Kaioshin would definitely have to get involved.

[supercat]

If Goku hadn't stopped Freeza I think what would eventually happen would be that Babidi would take control of him once he returned to that part of the universe, then Kaioshin would definitely have to get involved.

That definitely sounds very plausible.

With Frieza's unrivaled level of arrogance and self entitlement, I wonder if he could even be put under someone else's control. Regardless of magic or not, if Vegeta was able to resist Babidi's spell, Frieza's unfathomable ego may neutralize the effects of the magic as well.

It would be interesting to see how things would unfold with the Planet Trade Organization, with their leader reduced to a mere servant of another being.

[Polyphase Avatron]

Well Freeza is definitely evil enough to fall under the spell. Although I suppose he might be able to resist but then Babidi could just have Dabura kill him.

[supercat]

Well Freeza is definitely evil enough to fall under the spell. Although I suppose he might be able to resist but then Babidi could just have Dabura kill him.

If Frieza actually suffered the fate of falling under Babidi's spell, I wonder if he would have presented his team of lackeys to his new master. It would be quite interesting to watch someone as egotistical as Frieza instructing his former servants to follow the leadership of another individual.

[TheDevilsCorpse]

Well Freeza is definitely evil enough to fall under the spell. Although I suppose he might be able to resist but then Babidi could just have Dabura kill him.

That depends. The spell to enslave and the spell to increase their power aren't the same thing, but if Vegeta is any example, Babidi seems to do them back to back (because he's an idiot). Seeing how the spell unleashes a character's potential and Freeza's got him in the same realm as the strongest of gods (even without going gold)...Dabra wouldn't have been able to do squat,

Would have made Gohan's power up look ridiculous too: "The power it took you a whole day to achieve, I surpassed in mere minutes."