Does the Supreme Kai have any authority over beerus?

[MasterVampire]

Since the Supreme Kai is...the Supreme Kai and ruler / overseer of the universe does he have any authority over The God Of Destruction?

Surely just being the Supreme Kai demands some respect from Beerus right?

Couldn't he order Beerus that Earth or any other specific planet is off limits?

Wake him up to kill Kid Buu?

Etc....

[RedRibbonSoldier#42]

Beerus is way stronger and doesn't seem to like being bossed around, so even if supreme kai is higher rank on the books, in reality Beerus dominates.

[Kaboom]

No more so than the President of the US has authority over the hurricanes that strafe the East coast.

Beerus doesn't answer to anyone but Whis (and even then only to a certain extent). He's a living force of nature.

[fadeddreams5]

Considering the fact that it was Beerus who trapped Old Kai in the Z-sword, no.

[Herms]

He's just in charge of the Gods of Creation. Beerus, being a God of Destruction, is entirely outside of that hierarchy. Theoretically I suppose they ought to have equal and opposite authority by virtue of being top dogs in their respective Creation/Destruction camps. Toriyama's even mentioned Beerus getting together with the Kaioshins to hold "summits", a bit like diplomatic relations between nations (of course, Beerus isn't exactly the diplomatic type, and that's how Elder Kaioshin got sealed away inside the Z Sword). It does end up looking a bit skewed because Beerus appears to be the only God of Destruction in Universe 7, whereas Kaioshin has all those lesser Gods of Creation to be in charge of. It makes it tempting to try and squeeze Beerus somewhere onto the same totem pole as Kaioshin, Kaio, Dende, etc, when actually he and Whis are just the sole members of their own separate totem pole.

(All of this might need considerable revising when we find out precisely who Champa and ???? are, of course).

[Polyphase Avatron]

(All of this might need considerable revising when we find out precisely who Champa and ???? are, of course).

I call her Rule 63 Whis

[TheGmGoken]

Think of Beerus as Brock Lesnar and Whis as Paul Heyman . Beerus doesn't give a fuck but he loves his job. With his manger that sorta hypes him up but Beerus doesn't take shit from Whis either.

[Alex9196]

Considering the fact that it was Beerus who trapped Old Kai in the Z-sword, no.

is that true? why would he? he could have easily killed him.

however regarding the topic i dont think beerus has respect for him. he was somewhat nice to north kai but he destroyed his planet once, so no sign of respect there. and if supreme kai would have some sort of command over him he could have just stopped him from destroying the earth nearly in BoG. and even more important, he could have woken him up in the buu saga give the command to crush buu and thats it with the buu saga.

[TheDevilsCorpse]

is that true? why would he? he could have easily killed him.

Beerus only has dominion over destroying things within the mortal universe. He knows better than to kill other gods or destroy their realms.

• Who was it that sealed the Elder Kaiōshin away in the Z Sword?
  The Kaiōshin (who create planets) and the Gods of Destruction (who destroy them) have never gotten along that well, but once every 1,000 years they go to each other’s realms and hold a coordination meeting. At this time, they got into an argument over some trifling thing, and a certain short-tempered God of Destruction sealed Elder Kaiōshin away inside a sword. Naturally, it wouldn’t have been proper for him to destroy the Kaiōshin Realm itself. By the way, that God of Destruction was Beerus.

As for the original topic, no, he doesn't listen to them.

• In the film Dragon Ball Z: Battle of Gods, a new god, the “God of Destruction”, appears. In this [book], Kaiō-sama and Kaiōshin-sama are described as “Gods of Creation”, but do they have the power to create things like planets?
  Rather than Kaiōshin-sama making planets, he is able to provide the impetus for them to be born. Also, he will sometimes divide up one planet and increase the number of planets. He will even do things like create life-forms, or transplant them from another planet, but his basic job is to watch over the numerous planets. Because the number of planets is so very large, the four Kaiō-sama help him out as well. They intervene if it appears that the world’s balance will crumble, but normally, they merely act in an advisory role for new life-forms, and don’t get involved. In order to provide a balance to the constantly increasing number of planets, the God of Destruction destroys [them], but he does not act on Kaiōshin’s orders; he destroys according to his own individual judgment. Except, he is capricious, so he will destroy even an important world without a second thought, or when he finds it bothersome, let someone else act as an agent of destruction.

[Alex9196]

but the supreme kais are also mortal. besides if he kills a kai what can they do about it?

[supercat]

Assuming strength is a variable in determining the chain of command, Kaioshin lacks the credentials to be sitting in a spot where he has the luxury of ordering Beerus around. This was pretty evident when the former was concerned over the latter's awakening.

In any case, their responsibilities are literally polar opposites of one another. I don't think their job descriptions entail stopping the other over personal reasons.

[Darkprince410]

but the supreme kais are also mortal. besides if he kills a kai what can they do about it?

Even though he could easily kill Kaioushin if he wanted to, Beerus knows that they serve a purpose just as he does. He is their antithesis, the destroyer to their creations. He cannot long go without them creating new worlds, just as they can't long go without him wiping out worlds for new ones to be created. Sure, Beerus may strongly dislike dealing with them, but he still knows that they play a vital role in the way of things.

[DBZAOTA482]

No, I don't think Kaioshin could even lead a fish to water.

[GokuRules987]

Clearly Beerus is something else, otherwise they would have called him Beerus the kai of destruction. We also dont know who originally created him and why does he have this Whis fella following him around? Even though it states that he is his teacher, why would a god need a teacher? There is obviously some kind of different hierarchy of gods that exist's in DBZ universe that are perhaps beyond have the authority of all the deities while kai's are simply the overseers of mortals.

[Birusu16]

If he did then do you really think the Elder Kai would've been stuck in the Z sword for millions of years?

[Alex9196]

in any case the strongest one has the authority in this case. beerus being a god and kaioshin a creator or whatever are meere titles. practically everyone could do beerus job aslong as he is capable of destroying planets. he wouldnt even have to be nearly as strong. and i am sure kaioshins are not the only beings that can create planets. for example the dragonballs recreated earth in the buu saga, i didnt see FnF but i heard whis recreated a planet there too or something. so neither beerus nor kaioshin are essential to the db universe. they are also mortals which happen to be the god of destruction and the kaioshin.

[fadeddreams5]

in any case the strongest one has the authority in this case. beerus being a god and kaioshin a creator or whatever are meere titles. practically everyone could do beerus job aslong as he is capable of destroying planets. he wouldnt even have to be nearly as strong. and i am sure kaioshins are not the only beings that can create planets. for example the dragonballs recreated earth in the buu saga, i didnt see FnF but i heard whis recreated a planet there too or something. so neither beerus nor kaioshin are essential to the db universe. they are also mortals which happen to be the god of destruction and the kaioshin.

Recreating a planet isn't the same as creating an entirely new one though.

Spoiler:

Also, Whis didn't recreate the planet; he reversed time.

[SpiritBombTriumphant]

in any case the strongest one has the authority in this case. beerus being a god and kaioshin a creator or whatever are meere titles. practically everyone could do beerus job aslong as he is capable of destroying planets. he wouldnt even have to be nearly as strong. and i am sure kaioshins are not the only beings that can create planets. for example the dragonballs recreated earth in the buu saga, i didnt see FnF but i heard whis recreated a planet there too or something. so neither beerus nor kaioshin are essential to the db universe. they are also mortals which happen to be the god of destruction and the kaioshin.

Recreating a planet isn't the same as creating an entirely new one though. Also, Whis didn't recreate the planet; he reversed time.

FFS, can you guys put spoiler tags on this stuff? A fair number of fans on this board have NOT seen the movie and DON'T want it spoiled.

[fadeddreams5]

in any case the strongest one has the authority in this case. beerus being a god and kaioshin a creator or whatever are meere titles. practically everyone could do beerus job aslong as he is capable of destroying planets. he wouldnt even have to be nearly as strong. and i am sure kaioshins are not the only beings that can create planets. for example the dragonballs recreated earth in the buu saga, i didnt see FnF but i heard whis recreated a planet there too or something. so neither beerus nor kaioshin are essential to the db universe. they are also mortals which happen to be the god of destruction and the kaioshin.

Recreating a planet isn't the same as creating an entirely new one though. Also, Whis didn't recreate the planet; he reversed time.

FFS, can you guys put spoiler tags on this stuff? A fair number of fans on this board have NOT seen the movie and DON'T want it spoiled.

I didn't really put a spoiler. I'm just saying, Whis can reverse time. This is pretty widely known now. Twas in the F manga before the film was released.

[Rocketman]

There's probably laws for the gods independent of power, much like Yemma can pass judgment on beings far stronger powerlevel-wise than he is. So the Kaioshin can't overpower Billy, but if he went rogue and killed a fellow god, he'd trip the failsafe and find himself in Tartarus rolling his liver up a hill for eternity.