Buu in Fukkatsu no F

[Kroni_Hunter]

Two questions regarding Buu:

1.Would Buu have been able to take on first form Freeza in FnF?

2. Did Buu survive Freeza's destruction of Earth? And by extension, would Mr. Satan have survived it as well?

[Polyphase Avatron]

1. No

2. Maybe, and no

[Galan007]

Two questions regarding Buu:

1.Would Buu have been able to take on first form Freeza in FnF?

2. Did Buu survive Freeza's destruction of Earth? And by extension, would Mr. Satan have survived it as well?

Assuming you're asking about Mr. Boo...

1.) Not in my opinion.The awestruck reactions of Piccolo and Gohan when they sensed 1st form Freeza's ki certainly implied that he was already among the most powerful beings they'd ever sensed/encountered--personally, I'd tend to put him around the level of Super Boo or Bootenks. Either way, I don't think any of Earth's warriors(sans Goku/Vegeta) were remotely capable of contending with 1st form Freeza. /shrug

2.) I don't think so. Excluding Whis/Beerus, the implication seemed to be that Freeza would have been the only being who survived Earth's explosion, had Whis not shielded the others.

[TheDevilsCorpse]

Freeza looked to have destroyed Earth with a kiai. It's a blunt force shockwave, which isn't something that's going to stick around while the planet is exploding like an actual ki blast. I see no reason to assume Mr. Buu wouldn't survive a planet exploding when other incarnations have been shown to.

...if he were awake, anyway. I imagine that Buu, even though he's usually pretty lax and lets his body get destroyed, still needs a minimum conscious effort of ki manipulation to "protect" himself and prepare for the regeneration process when faced with total body shredding events like a planet exploding, Vegeta's Final Explosion or a Kamikaze Ghost. Since he was hibernating during the movie, and thus totally unaware of everything, I feel he was probably completely incinerated,

[MasterVampire]

Surely Buu could absorb Freeza.

[Kamiccolo9]

Surely Buu could absorb Freeza.

Fat Buu's never shown the ability to absorb anyone.

[Pantalones]

...literally every other Buu has shown the ability to absorb, though. Just like regeneration (well, okay, I don't think we saw the gray Buu regenerate but he wasn't around very long) and stretchy limbs and turning people into candy.

There's no reason to think that Fat Buu would randomly lack an ability that's innate to every other Buu.

As far as surviving the planet's destruction goes -- if cut-in-half, worn-out, beat-half-to-death, blasted-in-the-face Freeza survived Namek's explosion back in the day, I figure Buu could survive Earth exploding now. If he was asleep when it happened, I figure he'd wake up (possibly already splattered into a few dozen pieces from the explosion), regenerate, wonder what the hell happened... then fall asleep again floating in space and never really realize just what was going on at the time.

[supercat]

The only forms of Buu that could trump First Form Frieza are Buuhan and Buutenks. The way I see it, anything under Super Buu is one-shot material for the hover chair riding form of the tyrant.

[RandomGuy96]

1. I don't see why not; I think this Freeza is still weaker than Cell (the last version, the one that was SS2-tier). The most he has going for him is Piccolo saying he's a lot stronger than anyone in the initial gang, which included SS Gohan; besides that? Nothing. There's no reason to rate him higher than any form of Buu. All we really have for him is:

Spoiler:

-He can take out base Gohan with one punch. But he seems to require effort to do that, oddly enough...

-He went to his 4th form immediately when confronted by Goku. I guess you could use that as an indication that, in his 1st, 2nd, and 3rd forms, he's still weaker than whatever he assumes Buu to be, since he only knew that Goku was stronger than that. The fact that he went to his 4th form instead of his Golden form also implies that he's just using what he thought would be necessary, rather than going into overkill mode, which would also support the idea that his first few forms are weaker than Buu. But who knows how strong he assumes Buu is?

-Freeza states that he's stronger than Gohan before he transforms, and is almost certainly stronger than Shisami in that form too, who himself is much stronger than Piccolo.

-Roshi asks if they (meaning himself, Tenshinhan, Krillin, Piccolo, and SS Gohan) have a chance against Freeza. Piccolo says no, and that he's way stronger than them. Roshi's not really surprised by this answer. Though, again, I guess you could use the fact that he even asked at all as an indication that SS Gohan's merely way weaker than Freeza, rather than so weak that he can multiply his power one hundred times over and still not accomplish anything.

2. A planet explosion is nothing at this point, and Buu can breathe in space. He should have survived.

Surely Buu could absorb Freeza.

Would fatty even think to plan ahead like that? He's not Super Buu. Then again, Freeza's doesn't have arbitrary anti-transmutation magic, so there's no reason Buu couldn't have turned him into candy if he was there.

[Zephyr]

Two questions regarding Buu:

1.Would Buu have been able to take on first form Freeza in FnF?

2. Did Buu survive Freeza's destruction of Earth? And by extension, would Mr. Satan have survived it as well?

I think Buu would do better than Gohan did, but there's really not enough to go off of to figure out whether or not he would have been able to actually take on Freeza.

As for the second, I don't see why not. The real question is, did the explosion wake him up?

[Cetra]

2. Did Buu survive Freeza's destruction of Earth? And by extension, would Mr. Satan have survived it as well?

If Boo did what he did in GT, then yes, Mr. Satan could have survived.

[supercat]

1. I don't see why not; I think this Freeza is still weaker than Cell (the last version, the one that was SS2-tier). The most he has going for him is Piccolo saying he's a lot stronger than anyone in the initial gang, which included SS Gohan; besides that? Nothing. There's no reason to rate him higher than any form of Buu. All we really have for him is:

Spoiler:

-He can take out base Gohan with one punch. But he seems to require effort to do that, oddly enough...

-He went to his 4th form immediately when confronted by Goku. I guess you could use that as an indication that, in his 1st, 2nd, and 3rd forms, he's still weaker than whatever he assumes Buu to be, since he only knew that Goku was stronger than that. The fact that he went to his 4th form instead of his Golden form also implies that he's just using what he thought would be necessary, rather than going into overkill mode, which would also support the idea that his first few forms are weaker than Buu. But who knows how strong he assumes Buu is?

-Freeza states that he's stronger than Gohan before he transforms, and is almost certainly stronger than Shisami in that form too, who himself is much stronger than Piccolo.

-Roshi asks if they (meaning himself, Tenshinhan, Krillin, Piccolo, and SS Gohan) have a chance against Freeza. Piccolo says no, and that he's way stronger than them. Roshi's not really surprised by this answer. Though, again, I guess you could use the fact that he even asked at all as an indication that SS Gohan's merely way weaker than Freeza, rather than so weak that he can multiply his power one hundred times over and still not accomplish anything.

2. A planet explosion is nothing at this point, and Buu can breathe in space. He should have survived.

Surely Buu could absorb Freeza.

Would fatty even think to plan ahead like that? He's not Super Buu. Then again, Freeza's doesn't have arbitrary anti-transmutation magic, so there's no reason Buu couldn't have turned him into candy if he was there.

Going straight to his final form doesn't automatically indicate that he's weaker than Buu, as Base Goku was most likely leagues above SSJ Vegetto at this point. His eagerness to jump forms probably has a strong correlation with the fact that he probably wasn't willing to take any chances around the same guy who had a track record of putting him through a whole slew of issues. After the disastrous outcome that resulted from wasting time fighting at a mere fraction of his power on Namek, I'm pretty sure he was far more inclined to proceed with caution.

Just because Gohan lacked confidence in his Super Saiyan abilities, doesn't mean he's suddenly lost all of his power. Though the answers pertaining to this topic seem to vary, my personal placement of FnF Gohan is somewhere in the same realm of power as his Z-Sword self.

Personally, I wouldn't be surprised if First Form Frieza (FnF) could effortlessly annihilate both SSJ3 Goku and Kid Buu simultaneously.

[RandomGuy96]

1. I don't see why not; I think this Freeza is still weaker than Cell (the last version, the one that was SS2-tier). The most he has going for him is Piccolo saying he's a lot stronger than anyone in the initial gang, which included SS Gohan; besides that? Nothing. There's no reason to rate him higher than any form of Buu. All we really have for him is:

Spoiler:

-He can take out base Gohan with one punch. But he seems to require effort to do that, oddly enough...

-He went to his 4th form immediately when confronted by Goku. I guess you could use that as an indication that, in his 1st, 2nd, and 3rd forms, he's still weaker than whatever he assumes Buu to be, since he only knew that Goku was stronger than that. The fact that he went to his 4th form instead of his Golden form also implies that he's just using what he thought would be necessary, rather than going into overkill mode, which would also support the idea that his first few forms are weaker than Buu. But who knows how strong he assumes Buu is?

-Freeza states that he's stronger than Gohan before he transforms, and is almost certainly stronger than Shisami in that form too, who himself is much stronger than Piccolo.

-Roshi asks if they (meaning himself, Tenshinhan, Krillin, Piccolo, and SS Gohan) have a chance against Freeza. Piccolo says no, and that he's way stronger than them. Roshi's not really surprised by this answer. Though, again, I guess you could use the fact that he even asked at all as an indication that SS Gohan's merely way weaker than Freeza, rather than so weak that he can multiply his power one hundred times over and still not accomplish anything.

2. A planet explosion is nothing at this point, and Buu can breathe in space. He should have survived.

Surely Buu could absorb Freeza.

Would fatty even think to plan ahead like that? He's not Super Buu. Then again, Freeza's doesn't have arbitrary anti-transmutation magic, so there's no reason Buu couldn't have turned him into candy if he was there.

Going straight to his final form doesn't automatically indicate that he's weaker than Buu, as Base Goku was most likely leagues above SSJ Vegetto at this point. His eagerness to jump forms probably has a strong correlation with the fact that he probably wasn't willing to take any chances around the same guy who had a track record of putting him through a whole slew of issues. After the disastrous outcome that resulted from wasting time fighting at a mere fraction of his power on Namek, I'm pretty sure he was far more inclined to proceed with caution.

Just because Gohan lacked confidence in his Super Saiyan abilities, doesn't mean he's suddenly lost all of his power. Though the answers pertaining to this topic seem to vary, my personal placement of FnF Gohan is somewhere in the same realm of power as his Z-Sword self.

Personally, I wouldn't be surprised if First Form Freeza (FnF) could effortlessly annihilate both SSJ3 Goku and Kid Buu simultaneously.

If he was being cautious, he would've jumped to full power immediately. He didn't; he clearly was just jumping to the level of power he thought would be appropriate for dealing with an opponent who could defeat Majin Buu. Oh, and there's no indication that base Goku was above SS Vegetto in that movie. All that's shown is that he's decently stronger than Freeza and way, way weaker than himself as a SSGSS.

Maybe I just have an irrational dislike of power inflation, but is there anything in the entire movie that even hints at him being stronger than Cell? What reason do we have to believe he's stronger than Pure Buu of all people?

Almost all of it. He was only worth anything because of his Ultimate power-up. Without it, and seemingly without SS2 either, there's no reason to assume he's even as strong as he was at the very beginning of the Buu arc. Freeza doesn't even need to be stronger than Cell to warrant the whole "he's in a different dimension than us!" comment, and besides him transforming immediately when confronted by Goku, that's really all have to go on for him.

[Kamiccolo9]

...literally every other Buu has shown the ability to absorb, though. Just like regeneration (well, okay, I don't think we saw the gray Buu regenerate but he wasn't around very long) and stretchy limbs and turning people into candy.

There's no reason to think that Fat Buu would randomly lack an ability that's innate to every other Buu.

Fat Buu is very specifically said to be a weakened version of Buu that is limited by Dai Kaioshin's power. We don't know how far this limitation extends to, but when one incarnation of a character doesn't show a technique that every other incarnation does (aside from Gray Buu, who is similarly limited in that he's incomplete, and just weird in general,) it's perfectly reasonable to assume that he can't use that technique, especially as he had multiple occasions when fighting superior foes in which that technique would have been useful.

And Pure Buu is never shown using the Candy Beam. I personally think that technique is a warped version of the Kaioshins' ability to restructure matter, and came about with his absorption of Dai Kaioshin.

[DBZGTKOSDH]

And Pure Buu is never shown using the Candy Beam. I personally think that technique is a warped version of the Kaioshins' ability to restructure matter, and came about with his absorption of Dai Kaioshin.

He uses it in the anime. He also fires a similar beam from his antenna in the manga once, but it doesn't hit anything so we don't see what it does.

[Kamiccolo9]

And Pure Buu is never shown using the Candy Beam. I personally think that technique is a warped version of the Kaioshins' ability to restructure matter, and came about with his absorption of Dai Kaioshin.

He uses it in the anime. He also fires a similar beam from his antenna in the manga once, but it doesn't hit anything so we don't see what it does.

I'm aware he uses it in the anime, but that doesn't really have any bearing on what happens in the manga.

And "similar beam" does not equal "same beam," especially when we cannot see the actual results.

For what it's worth, the Special Attack Dictionary only lists Fat/Good Buu and Super Buu as users of the technique.

[DBZGTKOSDH]

I'm aware he uses it in the anime, but that doesn't really have any bearing on what happens in the manga.

And "similar beam" does not equal "same beam," especially when we cannot see the actual results.

I'm not saying that he definitely can use it, just stating the possibility that he may be able to use it.

[Hugo Boss]

Well, if destroying a ship could accidentally wake up Boo from his slumber, I don't know why the destruction of the whole planet wouldn't cause the same effect. It seems very likely that Boo survived Freeza's last resort, but the plot simply ignored him. By extension, I think he could have saved Mr. Satan and Bee if they were close to him. Finally, I believe all Boo's incarnations share the same special techniques and he has a Sharingan-esque ability to copy techniques, so this isn't really a problem.

Powerwise, I agree with RandomGuy96. There is no reason to assume 1st form Freeza has to be stronger than a SS2-level fighter or that his final form has to be leagues above Vegetto. I don't even think Base Goku is that much stronger than his former SS3-self.

[Kamiccolo9]

I'm aware he uses it in the anime, but that doesn't really have any bearing on what happens in the manga.

And "similar beam" does not equal "same beam," especially when we cannot see the actual results.

I'm not saying that he definitely can use it, just stating the possibility that he may be able to use it.

Fair enough. I never said he couldn't.

[FoolsGil]

1) No, but it would have been an even fight because of Buu's malleability and regen.

2) Buu probably, Herc, no.