Is Cell a Super Saiyan?

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Is Cell a Super Saiyan?

Post by Khin » Wed Sep 02, 2015 9:39 am

We saw him turning USSJ against Future Trunks and SSJ2 Gohan,his 'Super' Perfect state have a very similar aura to SSJ2,his aura is yellow so my question is,is Cell really a Super Saiyan?

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Re: Is Cell a Super Saiyan?

Post by Kamiccolo9 » Wed Sep 02, 2015 10:44 am

No, he's an android. He just has some Saiyan cells in him.
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Re: Is Cell a Super Saiyan?

Post by Polyphase Avatron » Wed Sep 02, 2015 11:30 am

In lots of sci-fi though the term for an artificial biological being is a 'bioroid', which I think would describe Cell better.
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Re: Is Cell a Super Saiyan?

Post by Kamiccolo9 » Wed Sep 02, 2015 11:33 am

Polyphase Avatron wrote:In lots of sci-fi though the term for an artificial biological being is a 'bioroid', which I think would describe Cell better.
Does that really matter? The series itself calls him an android. Or cyborg. Or Jinzoningen, or whatever. "Sci-fi" isn't some big conglomerate entity that determines the meaning of words.

And regardless, my point remains. Cell's not a Saiyan.
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Re: Is Cell a Super Saiyan?

Post by LuckyCat » Wed Sep 02, 2015 12:07 pm

He's probably capable of doing anything a Super Saiyan can do, but he's technically not even a Saiyan. If they brought him back in Super, it might be interesting to see if he could exploit the God ritual by using Cell Jrs. or whatever.

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Re: Is Cell a Super Saiyan?

Post by nickzambuto » Wed Sep 02, 2015 12:40 pm

I imagine that his Saiyan cells are empowering him with something very similar to the Super Saiyan transformation, but since his biology is so diluted, the form is somewhat mutated, or perhaps repressed. You can see his yellow aura flaring in his Perfect form as if the Saiyan cells are TRYING to transform, or perhaps the Saiyan cells themselves HAVE transformed but since they don't make up the entirety of Cell, he doesn't take the full form.

It would be interesting if another guidebook came out that was dedicated to charting the different cells that make up Cell and how they all affect him individually and then come together. So far all we know is that:

1. He can get zenkais like Saiyans
2. He can survive almost any wound like Freeza
3. He can regenerate like Piccolo

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Re: Is Cell a Super Saiyan?

Post by Sandubadear » Wed Sep 02, 2015 2:29 pm

My fanon says that the golden aura-power up that Cell shows against 17 and Piccolo is his Super Saiyan form.

Mira can go Super Saiyan, so why wouldn't Cell too?
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Re: Is Cell a Super Saiyan?

Post by TheUltimateVegito » Wed Sep 09, 2015 6:10 pm

nickzambuto wrote:I imagine that his Saiyan cells are empowering him with something very similar to the Super Saiyan transformation, but since his biology is so diluted, the form is somewhat mutated, or perhaps repressed. You can see his yellow aura flaring in his Perfect form as if the Saiyan cells are TRYING to transform, or perhaps the Saiyan cells themselves HAVE transformed but since they don't make up the entirety of Cell, he doesn't take the full form.

It would be interesting if another guidebook came out that was dedicated to charting the different cells that make up Cell and how they all affect him individually and then come together. So far all we know is that:

1. He can get zenkais like Saiyans
2. He can survive almost any wound like Freeza
3. He can regenerate like Piccolo
I'm pretty sure Cell had the full Super Saiyan form. Cell himself said that he had enough cells to do so.
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Re: Is Cell a Super Saiyan?

Post by Sayo-chan » Wed Sep 09, 2015 7:15 pm

You could say he's somewhat of an artificial Saiyan and by extension an artificial Super Saiyan. But really, there's no evidence to substantiate his powers being multiplied by any transformations. The closest thing we see is his "power weighted" form, which is just sacrificing speed for power. I would imagine any character could pull that off. When Cell reaches Gohan's plateau of power, he only states he's powered up; he doesn't say he's transformed.
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Re: Is Cell a Super Saiyan?

Post by SaiyaSith » Wed Sep 09, 2015 9:21 pm

Mira was also made up of some of the strongest warrior's DNA (like Cell). Take this with a grain of salt, but here's the wiki summary of Mira's newest transformation:

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"Mira attains his own Super Saiyan transformation during the Dark Demon Realm Saga (in Dragon Ball Heroes) after having snapped during his berserk rampage in his Uncontrolled state. Due to its unique appearance it is referred to as a new Super Saiyan form: Super Mira. His hair stands on end, (identical to Future Gohan Super Saiyan hair) and eyes also turn red, while his eyeballs are white in colour. Also in-game, Mira has a dark aura and purple lightning surrounding him. His Super Saiyan form makes its debut in the third mission of the God Mission series (GDM3)."

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Re: Is Cell a Super Saiyan?

Post by Pantalones » Thu Sep 10, 2015 1:28 am

I always figured that Cell, due to having a pretty high amount of Saiyan cells (from Goku, Vegeta, and Nappa, if I'm remembering right), Cell essentially had a Super Saiyan transformation... or something very similar to it, anyway. He's at least "Super Saiyan-ish" if not the real thing.

If you think about it, Cell's power increases a lot from the first time we seem him fight to the second -- he goes from way weaker than "Kamiccolo" when we first see him, to way stronger than either him or the Androids after eating a few thousand ordinary humans. Most people assume he powered up by eating so many humans. He's literally just eating them, though, not draining their ki like #19/#20 do or absorbing them Buu-style (or the same way he does to the Androids later)... so getting a massive power-up from that doesn't make a whole lot of sense. It'd be like Goku getting a giant power-up because he ate all the fish in a lake. But... we know that Cell had to regress to larval form to fit into the time machine he came back in. So he's not so much "getting stronger" as he is "getting back to his normal strength." I figure eating all those humans just accelerated his development enough that he regained access to the "Super Saiyan-ish" power-up that he would usually need to access his full power; he couldn't access this transformation at the time he clashed with Piccolo, so after finding out that Piccolo could regenerate (and was tougher than expected), he had to run away.

Of course, what Cell has is probably not a full 50x boost, but it has to be something significant for him to go from "forced to run from Piccolo even after he's used up some energy to regrow an arm" to "takes Piccolo's strongest blast head-on and shrugs it off, then fights the even-stronger Android 16 almost evenly for a while." Also, I'm pretty sure him powering up after eating all those humans is the first time he's shown with an aura, and after that point he always has Super Saiyan-like auras when he's powered up (including SSj2 aura with lightning and all as "Super Perfect Cell.")

Between all that and being able to copy Trunks' bulked-up form perfectly, I'd say that yes, Cell has something like a Super Saiyan transformation even if he's not quite "Saiyan enough" to have the full boost from it. It's just hard to tell appearance-wise since he doesn't have any hair. XD

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Re: Is Cell a Super Saiyan?

Post by Sayo-chan » Thu Sep 10, 2015 4:35 am

Pantalones wrote:I always figured that Cell, due to having a pretty high amount of Saiyan cells (from Goku, Vegeta, and Nappa, if I'm remembering right),
No, he doesn't have Nappa's cells anymore than he has Gohan's (both are FUNi mistakes). He has as much Saiyan diversity as he does Freeza's race, but to what extent is unknown.
Pantalones wrote:If you think about it, Cell's power increases a lot from the first time we seem him fight to the second -- he goes from way weaker than "Kamiccolo" when we first see him, to way stronger than either him or the Androids after eating a few thousand ordinary humans. Most people assume he powered up by eating so many humans. He's literally just eating them, though, not draining their ki like #19/#20 do or absorbing them Buu-style (or the same way he does to the Androids later)... so getting a massive power-up from that doesn't make a whole lot of sense. It'd be like Goku getting a giant power-up because he ate all the fish in a lake.
That doesn't really compare. Cell's designed to get stronger from absorbing living creatures. Goku isn't designed to get stronger from eating fish.
Pantalones wrote:But... we know that Cell had to regress to larval form to fit into the time machine he came back in. So he's not so much "getting stronger" as he is "getting back to his normal strength." I figure eating all those humans just accelerated his development enough that he regained access to the "Super Saiyan-ish" power-up that he would usually need to access his full power; he couldn't access this transformation at the time he clashed with Piccolo, so after finding out that Piccolo could regenerate (and was tougher than expected), he had to run away.
What is there to verify this? All we know is that his gestation period took a few years. Cell was from a dead world anyway, he couldn'tve taken too many lives.
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Re: Is Cell a Super Saiyan?

Post by LuckyCat » Thu Sep 10, 2015 11:45 am

I'd be interested to know if the manga gives Cell the golden aura like a Super Saiyan. I'm sort of thinking that was simply an animation decision to make Cell look stronger than before. Then again, he does get lightning in the manga in his reborn state .

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Re: Is Cell a Super Saiyan?

Post by DarkPrince_92 » Thu Sep 10, 2015 12:13 pm

His first and Perfect Form have a golden aura. His second has a blue aura (anime). I'm not sure if it signifies any traits of his makeup, other than his Super Perfect form that is kinda like SSJ2.
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Re: Is Cell a Super Saiyan?

Post by Sayo-chan » Thu Sep 10, 2015 1:00 pm

LuckyCat wrote:I'd be interested to know if the manga gives Cell the golden aura like a Super Saiyan. I'm sort of thinking that was simply an animation decision to make Cell look stronger than before. Then again, he does get lightning in the manga in his reborn state .
He pretty much has the same aura as Gohan.
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Re: Is Cell a Super Saiyan?

Post by Cetra » Thu Sep 10, 2015 1:39 pm

If Videl can, Cell can, too. Only Radditz can't.
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Re: Is Cell a Super Saiyan?

Post by Absolute Ice » Thu Sep 10, 2015 2:12 pm

Cetra wrote:If Videl can, Cell can, too. Only Radditz can't.
Don't forget about Nappa. :roll:
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Re: Is Cell a Super Saiyan?

Post by nickzambuto » Thu Sep 10, 2015 2:35 pm

Absolute Ice wrote:
Cetra wrote:If Videl can, Cell can, too. Only Radditz can't.
Don't forget about Nappa. :roll:
Nappa was a Super Saiyan the whole time, we just can't tell because he's bald. But you ever notice how the guidebooks list his battle power as 4,000, which he would need to be in order to beat Piccolo who is 3,500, yet when Goku shows up he somehow powers up gaining a golden aura in the process and begins to fight on par with Goku who is at 8,000.

It all makes sense, at that point Nappa was just toying with Goku like how he toyed with everyone else. The anime takes liberties, but if you read the manga Goku was not very confident about his odds of making short work of Nappa. Nappa had it under control, but Vegeta didn't know this because Nappa knew if he told him he was a Super Saiyan, it would crush Vegeta's pride, and Nappa was too loyal to his prince to do that. And Vegeta couldn't sense ki yet so there was no way of him knowing. So he listened and powered down, until Scumbag Goku sucker punched him in his fucking spine.

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Re: Is Cell a Super Saiyan?

Post by GTX » Fri Sep 11, 2015 5:43 am

It's not clear because we never see cell can change into giant ape or turning his hair yellow.
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Re: Is Cell a Super Saiyan?

Post by TheUltimateVegito » Fri Sep 11, 2015 6:34 am

nickzambuto wrote: Nappa was a Super Saiyan the whole time, we just can't tell because he's bald.
I actually thought Nappa was a Super Saiyan when I was a kid.
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