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Remember when Goku said Gohan is a better man than him?

Post by DBZAOTA482 » Wed Sep 02, 2015 3:33 pm

He musta been high when he said that...

I hate what Super is doing with Gohan. Not only did they give him the most humiliating and disrespectful take down from Beerus they seem to reduced him to a cowardly side character.
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Re: Remember when Goku said Gohan is a better man than him?

Post by Marco Polo » Wed Sep 02, 2015 3:35 pm

Goku says a lot of things. He also said he'd better stay dead because his presence on Earth attracts villains... Guess he changed his mind.

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Post by Herms » Wed Sep 02, 2015 3:35 pm

I don't remember that quote at all, actually. When does Goku say that?
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Post by EmmaWinters » Wed Sep 02, 2015 3:36 pm

This is said at the end of the Cell arc when Goku chooses to stay dead. Not exactly worded the same, though.

Goku: ...And so, maybe it ain't fair to Chichi and Gohan, but you don't need to bring me back to life. Gohan's already a lot more reliable than I am.
Gohan: T- that's not true, Father!
Goku: There you have it. Bye, now. Once you all die, I'll see you again!
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Post by fadeddreams5 » Wed Sep 02, 2015 3:52 pm

EmmaWinters wrote: Goku: ...And so, maybe it ain't fair to Chichi and Gohan, but you don't need to bring me back to life. Gohan's already a lot more reliable than I am.
I find that quote hilarious. Not only because of how much Gohan slacked off during a span of 7 years and continues to do so, but because a few hours prior to Goku saying that, Gohan was literally going to let Cell blow up the Earth because "there was no point anymore" until Goku intervened. Soooo ironic. lol.

But yeah, I do wish Gohan was developed into a different sort of character after that saga. I'm sure the majority of fans do. But it is what it is.
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Post by sintzu » Wed Sep 02, 2015 4:12 pm

He is in everything other then fighting.
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Post by BearFrog » Wed Sep 02, 2015 4:17 pm

Marco Polo wrote:Goku says a lot of things. He also said he'd better stay dead because his presence on Earth attracts villains... Guess he changed his mind.
Goku's a pretty rad guy, doing everything he can to avoid his friends and family. Goku's an introvert pretending to be an extrovert.

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Post by Zephyr » Wed Sep 02, 2015 4:37 pm

How many "I am displeased with how they are currently handling Gohan" threads do we really need? Can we make a sticky for it or something?

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Post by Kamiccolo9 » Wed Sep 02, 2015 4:38 pm

I'm curious as to how Gohan is now a "coward."
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Post by EmmaWinters » Wed Sep 02, 2015 5:14 pm

Zephyr wrote:How many "I am displeased with how they are currently handling Gohan" threads do we really need? Can we make a sticky for it or something?
I'm pretty sick of it too, honestly. Though I see it more on reddit than on here.
Kamiccolo9 wrote:I'm curious as to how Gohan is now a "coward."
Yeah, he's not a coward. He didn't even hesitate to join the fight.
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Post by Lord Beerus » Wed Sep 02, 2015 6:13 pm

Marco Polo wrote:Goku says a lot of things. He also said he'd better stay dead because his presence on Earth attracts villains... Guess he changed his mind.
To be fair, he was kinda right. 90% of the conflicts in Dragon Ball are rooted in his actions or him just being alive.

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Post by Baggie_Saiyan » Wed Sep 02, 2015 6:19 pm

But Gohan is a better and more reliable man than Goku, Gohan actually puts emphasis on his family he has hardly been seen in Super without Videl by his side and he is studying so he can presumably work and provide for his family, instead of what Goku did which was let his family mooch of Bulma/Father-in-law and when he does do a proper job like farming he gets his son to do it and irresponsibly make him drive a tractor while he trains. Fair play to Gohan for not being a numskull who's only skill is fighting.

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Post by fadeddreams5 » Wed Sep 02, 2015 6:22 pm

Kamiccolo9 wrote:I'm curious as to how Gohan is now a "coward."
Only scene I can recall that shows this is when Beerus calls Oolong forward. Gohan is one of the people who back away from him.
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Post by dbzfan7 » Wed Sep 02, 2015 6:28 pm

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EmmaWinters wrote: Goku: ...And so, maybe it ain't fair to Chichi and Gohan, but you don't need to bring me back to life. Gohan's already a lot more reliable than I am.
I find that quote hilarious. Not only because of how much Gohan slacked off during a span of 7 years and continues to do so, but because a few hours prior to Goku saying that, Gohan was literally going to let Cell blow up the Earth because "there was no point anymore" until Goku intervened. Soooo ironic. lol.

But yeah, I do wish Gohan was developed into a different sort of character after that saga. I'm sure the majority of fans do. But it is what it is.
Yeah I pretty much am laughing at the line now too. Especially when he nearly gave up, dicked around since his emotions were out of control, refused to fight despite knowing the consequence, and later on basically being completely unreliable. When Goku said that, I doubt he meant in the sense of getting a job and supporting Chi Chi. Pretty sure he meant keeping the peace from possible future world threats. Hell he has to count on Goku to keep his family safe, cause he sure as hell cares enough to protect his family, but not ensure their safety or future. Hell not even his own future.

But again...the stat trinity of importance reigns supreme.
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Kamiccolo9 wrote:I'm curious as to how Gohan is now a "coward."
Only scene I can recall that shows this is when Beerus calls Oolong forward. Gohan is one of the people who back away from him.
I don't think that was that bad. Hell in FNF, when Beerus talks about protecting Bulma if she stays close, Piccolo is one of the people to slide in close as part of that gag. I think that was just part of a joke.
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Post by DBZAOTA482 » Wed Sep 02, 2015 6:40 pm

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Kamiccolo9 wrote:I'm curious as to how Gohan is now a "coward."
Only scene I can recall that shows this is when Beerus calls Oolong forward. Gohan is one of the people who back away from him.
Close, but it's when he was so willing to make Oolong fight his battle instead of giving a second shot at taking Beerus down.
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Goku didn't die in GT. The show sucked him off so much, it was impossible to keep him in the world of the living, so he ascended beyond mortality.
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Post by TheGmGoken » Wed Sep 02, 2015 7:20 pm

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fadeddreams5 wrote:
Kamiccolo9 wrote:I'm curious as to how Gohan is now a "coward."
Only scene I can recall that shows this is when Beerus calls Oolong forward. Gohan is one of the people who back away from him.
Close, but it's when he was so willing to make Oolong fight his battle instead of giving a second shot at taking Beerus down.
Well..if you get one shotted because he simply turned Boo around (like Boo is kryptonite) then he shouldn't fight.

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Post by Marco Polo » Wed Sep 02, 2015 9:39 pm

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Marco Polo wrote:Goku says a lot of things. He also said he'd better stay dead because his presence on Earth attracts villains... Guess he changed his mind.
To be fair, he was kinda right. 90% of the conflicts in Dragon Ball are rooted in his actions or him just being alive.
He was totally right actually, my point was that it's illogical of him to say that and then to still return to Earth at the end of the Buu Saga, which eventually attracted Beerus and the resurrected Frieza.
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Post by Doctor. » Wed Sep 02, 2015 9:41 pm

Marco Polo wrote:
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Marco Polo wrote:Goku says a lot of things. He also said he'd better stay dead because his presence on Earth attracts villains... Guess he changed his mind.
To be fair, he was kinda right. 90% of the conflicts in Dragon Ball are rooted in his actions or him just being alive.
He was totally right actually, my point was that it's illogical of him to say that and then to return to Earth at the end of the Buu Saga, which eventually attracted Beerus and the resurrected Freeza.
Not really. Beerus came for the Super Saiyan God, so he'd come to the other Saiyans anyway. And Freeza wanted revenge on both Goku and Trunks, so he'd come to Earth to find Trunks.

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Post by Marco Polo » Wed Sep 02, 2015 9:58 pm

Doctor. wrote:Not really. Beerus came for the Super Saiyan God, so he'd come to the other Saiyans anyway. And Freeza wanted revenge on both Goku and Trunks, so he'd come to Earth to find Trunks.
Actually Beerus came because the Oracle Fish told him a strong opponent would show up that year. That opponent is Goku.

As for Frieza, the direct reason he went to Earth is because Sorbet told him that Goku was here (and that his power has surpassed even Majin Buu's). It's debatable whether Sorbet even knew about Trunks since no one in Frieza's Army survived the encounter with Future Trunks. It's true, however, that Frieza would still have decided to come to Earth anyway to try to find Trunks.

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Post by DoomieDoomie911 » Wed Sep 02, 2015 10:35 pm

Kamiccolo9 wrote:I'm curious as to how Gohan is now a "coward."
He's not a coward, he's just being left behind as a character.
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